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At 6/5/07 01:37 AM, TomsPulp wrote: when then say god died and then "came back"

WTF does that mean, did he like become a zombie?

Save me Zombie Jeezus!

from this new wave of retarded religion threads....

Also: this.

To the topic starter... Those are just arguments for the Christian/monothiestic spectrum. Try to broaden the field or is Christianity the only religion you see fit to be disproved?

At 6/5/07 05:38 AM, ErwinR0mmel wrote: To the topic starter... Those are just arguments for the Christian/monothiestic spectrum. Try to broaden the field or is Christianity the only religion you see fit to be disproved?

Just don't. All his "proof" are a load of crap.

Have you people never have heard of Zoresterism? It is the worlds oldest monotheistic relligion and it still exsists in India and Iran.

At 6/5/07 07:09 AM, Zoraxe7 wrote: Have you people never have heard of Zoresterism? It is the worlds oldest monotheistic relligion and it still exsists in India and Iran.

Judaism and Hinduism both predate Zoroastrianism.

At 6/5/07 07:09 AM, Zoraxe7 wrote: Have you people never have heard of Zoresterism? It is the worlds oldest monotheistic relligion and it still exsists in India and Iran.

Judaism predates Zoroastrianism. Zoroastrianism was developed mid-5th century BCE, Judaism was created 18th century BCE. Thats a pretty big gap there.

this is for the topic starter. first of all on one of your therioes they did not have those type of drugs back then that we have today. Becouse that was around 2,000 years ago . Back in the time of jeseus most christian did only belive in one god but the people that belived in more then one god had other religons and those 3-4 little statements wont get you any were and 99.9% christians are going to deny your therioes instantly and the bible says that jesus will return it dosent say when it just says he will return

At 6/4/07 10:10 PM, Dr-Worm wrote:

At 6/4/07 09:58 PM, Darkside-void wrote:

Now, what evidence do we have (or not have) that he is the Son of God (as Christians claim)?

We don't. How could you possibly get evidence for something like that?

If God has so much influence in the daily happenings of the world, we should see at least some impact from it.

:That's the purpose of religion: to go beyond logic and have faith in something you know :can't be proven, something too complicated for human beings to understand. It provides :a moral code and a sense of purpose. Why is that such a terrible thing?

I'll tell you why it's a terrible thing: Going beyond reasonable thinking and logic is going to get us killed someday. If the theocratic Christians (By this I don't mean the 'Moderates') who live here in the south got ahold of nuclear weapons, they would attack someone or something that they perceive to be an enemy without provocation. The same goes for Muslims.

And religion does not provide morality. Morality is the same across religions, cultures, and it's the same for atheists. You can conclude that morality does not come from religion or religious worship.

Lastly, purpose? I don't need or want a religious dogma to give me purpose. I can find my own purpose in life, my own happiness what makes you think that we can't find purpose in Humanism, or scientific research, or saving people's lives through medicine, or fighting cancer? Religion is both dangerous and entirely unnecessary.

At 6/5/07 10:02 AM, Raveinx wrote: People starving and dying around the world is more than enough proof that God does not exist.

I agree. I would never worship a god that allowed suffering anyway.

At 6/5/07 10:02 AM, Raveinx wrote: People starving and dying around the world is more than enough proof that God does not exist.

Maybe God just thinks it's funny.

I just got tired of all the attention.

At 6/5/07 09:25 AM, Darkside-void wrote:
And religion does not provide morality. Morality is the same across religions, cultures, and it's the same for atheists. You can conclude that morality does not come from religion or religious worship.

I disagree. Morality is not the same for everybody; most people have their own opinion of what is moral and what is not. Religion provides a moral code, yes, so many people adopt similar perceptions of morality. However, I suppose that while perception of morality is a subjective thing, there's also the concept of an ultimately true morality....

But again, many people's sense and perception of morality are guided by their religion/religious beliefs, so there is some connection.

Lastly, purpose? I don't need or want a religious dogma to give me purpose. I can find my own Religion is both dangerous and entirely unnecessary.

As it is your right to not follow religion, it is religious peoples' right to follow their own system of belief, organized religion or not. Both religion and lack of religion without ethics can be dangerous. I'm not a religious person but I recognize that ethics is very important.

At 6/5/07 10:02 AM, Raveinx wrote: People starving and dying around the world is more than enough proof that God does not exist.

Maybe god wants us to solve our own problems.

If God existed, and made man in his image, why does man have a penis? I mean, it's got one function, and the bible sure don't mention "Mrs God and the Godlets".

More importantly, why would God HAVE such a fugly contraption? He'd have something far more aesthetically pleasing, surely.

And where did he get the idea for Female Sexual Organs?

And if He is so Godly and omnipresent, why'd he need to rest on Day Seven?

At 6/5/07 12:58 PM, ultrabitch wrote: And if He is so Godly and omnipresent, why'd he need to rest on Day Seven?

Even a god has a limit.

At 6/4/07 06:33 PM, CaptainChip wrote: 3. Where is proof that he does exist? ,':]

This is unoriginal and a poorly made thread. But hey, lets humour this asshole.

Now I do not believe in God and even I know where this response is going to go.

Where’s the FACTUAL proof he DOESENT exist?

this is funny to read because no matter what no one person can prove he excists....meaning there's ups and downs in the conversation...thus freezing your arguement because there is no solution

If God does exist he's doing a really bad job of running the universe.

At 6/5/07 05:26 PM, distantgamer wrote: If God does exist he's doing a really bad job of running the universe.

How do you know what's going on in the universe, let alone in the galaxy.

At 6/5/07 01:24 PM, LordJaric wrote:

At 6/5/07 12:58 PM, ultrabitch wrote: And if He is so Godly and omnipresent, why'd he need to rest on Day Seven?

Even a god has a limit.

1. God has a limit. (claim by LordJaric)
2. God is omnipotent. (see def. of God)
3. Statements 1 and 2 directly contradict each other, therefore one of the following is true:
4a. LordJaric is wrong.
4b. God does not exist.

God does not exist and all religions are wrong. If you want proof, read a book

At 6/5/07 05:57 PM, distantgamer wrote: God does not exist and all religions are wrong. If you want proof, read a book

What book, never mind you can't prove or disprove god with a book.

Ever heard of Richard Dwakins?

At 6/5/07 09:25 AM, Darkside-void wrote: If God has so much influence in the daily happenings of the world, we should see at least some impact from it.

That big round blue thing you live on. There's your impact. If some indefinable, higher entity or force didn't actually go through each step in creation, then he/she/it "got the ball rolling," so to speak.

I'll tell you why it's a terrible thing: Going beyond reasonable thinking and logic is going to get us killed someday. If the theocratic Christians (By this I don't mean the 'Moderates') who live here in the south got ahold of nuclear weapons, they would attack someone or something that they perceive to be an enemy without provocation. The same goes for Muslims.

The beliefs those radical Christians and Muslims follow is not religion, it is obsession, ignorance (for the Christians), and greed for the Muslims). They completely ignore the basic tenets of their religions in an effort to feel superior to other people.

And religion does not provide morality. Morality is the same across religions, cultures, and it's the same for atheists. You can conclude that morality does not come from religion or religious worship.

Society has a moral standard, which slightly varies as you go around the world, but basically comes down to this: treat others as you would like to be treated (someone important said this who's name slips my memory, and if it turns out to be Jesus I'll feel like a total moron). People act morally for different reasons. For some, it comes from a feeling of responsibility, or just that it's "the right thing." For others, it comes from religion.

Without religious moral codes, society wouldn't have made it this far. We'd all be at each other's throats hundreds of years ago. Secular government is a relatively new thing.

Lastly, purpose? I don't need or want a religious dogma to give me purpose. I can find my own purpose in life, my own happiness what makes you think that we can't find purpose in Humanism, or scientific research, or saving people's lives through medicine, or fighting cancer? Religion is both dangerous and entirely unnecessary.

Of course you can find purpose in whatever you want. Some people find their purpose in religion, though, and you can't disrespect that choice (unless it's a cult). Some people find purpose in more tangible things on this Earth, and that's perfectly fine. I don't even look at religion as my main purpose.

Not everyone needs religion, but some do, and many more want it. Religion is only dangerous when it turns into obsession, when people focus too much on the theology and not enough on the moral teachings. You'd probably know a lot about the world and yourself from reading the Bible, the Torah, and the Qu'ran, regardless of whether or not you believe in the theological mumbo-jumbo. That part of religion is obsolete now that we can scientifically explain almost anything. But there are still parts of religion that are extremely important to some people.

And the traditions and worshipping and such can help one find a cultural identity, make them feel connected to other people in something besides just their humanity. Some feel they want that feeling, some feel they could do without. Whatever.

In conclusion, religion may very well be unnecessary for you, but it's not unnecessary for everyone.

At 6/5/07 06:03 PM, distantgamer wrote: Ever heard of Richard Dwakins?

What part of you can't prove or disprove god with a book did you not understand.

If there was no religion 9/11 would not of happend.

At 6/5/07 05:43 PM, Darkside-void wrote: 2. God is omnipotent. (see def. of God)

Not only is that not a requirement of the definition of god, it is not even in the Bible.

4a. LordJaric is wrong.
4b. God does not exist.

LordJaric is most likely wrong. But nobody can know if God is truely omnipotent either.

At 6/5/07 06:09 PM, distantgamer wrote: If there was no religion 9/11 would not of happend.

And your point is what?

This topic starter is proof to me that God doesn't exist. Anyone that idiotic and egocentric cannot have been a creation of God (possibly Satan. Hmmm . . . .)

Also, all you atheist, 14 y/o , noob dipshits get the fuck out of here. This forum is for the INTELLIGENT. Go check out General, you'll fit in well there.

Wankers.

At 6/5/07 06:09 PM, distantgamer wrote: If there was no religion 9/11 would not of happend.

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WHAT!?

That's kind of stupid.

For one thing 9/11 didn't exactly happen because of religious purposes. The middle east was mad because of our ties with Isreal and our troops in Saudia Arabia.

The whole idea that they did this because of a holy war was just a bonus.