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At 6/2/03 01:38 AM, nitroxide wrote: LOL...tell that to Nazi germany...LOL or for that matter tell that to moses and his people...

Proving that america spends so much money on weapon developement proves that america is not using the economy for proper purposes,many scientific and medical benefits are being put off due to this insufficient use of money.

It proves we are living in a police state.

Um, you know that most of the great scientific advances of our time were created for war, right? Nuclear power is a direct descendent of the nuclear bomb. Satellite tv is a direct descendent of the Nazi V3 rockets. The internet was originally designed as a government communications network, ie .gov. Necessity is the mother of invention, and there's no necessity quite like trying to find a way to kill some bastard before he kills you.

At 6/2/03 11:04 AM, FUNKbrs wrote: Um, you know that most of the great scientific advances of our time were created for war, right? Nuclear power is a direct descendent of the nuclear bomb. Satellite tv is a direct descendent of the Nazi V3 rockets. The internet was originally designed as a government communications network, ie .gov. Necessity is the mother of invention, and there's no necessity quite like trying to find a way to kill some bastard before he kills you.

I suppose the telephone was invented as a way of slicing off people's genitals? And the lightbulb was originally invented to kill Jews? THE CALCULATOR! SURELY IT MUST'VE BEEN INVENTED TO CALCULATE HOW MANY NUKES IT WOULD TAKE TO KILL ALL THOSE DIRTY COMMIES!

My point is that only a handful of inventions were originaly used in warfare, or were based on inventions used in warfare. By the way you can't kill someone with the internet so that's 2 things that were invented to kill people out of thousands of revolutionary inventions.

At 5/31/03 10:34 PM, nailbomb wrote: At the bottom of my post you will see a picture of one of my favorite CDs from one of my favorite bands. It is also a lovely Kodak Moment of a friendly US soldier making friends with a South-Vietnamese woman who is suspected of being a Vietcong.

I'm showing this to you because you need to wake up from your American Dream and face the nightmare that is reality

"But why would I want to wake up from my American dream where the system's fair and square and our government is selflessly scarificing its own resources to help out people in need?"

Because it could be your head next to that rifle.

I think the government is just a corrupted system. What we choose is never really put into place and people seem to forget that this democratic from of government was first designed to protect our rights not destroy us. People have become too dependent on the government and they also allow it to shape their beliefs. The government keeps mankind blinded with their forms of “help”. We are all too busy working and making a life that we don’t notice their shenanigans.

so then now would be a really bad time to talk about the medical advances made by Germany when they did medical experiments on Jewish prisoners?

At 6/2/03 12:09 PM, FUNKbrs wrote: so then now would be a really bad time to talk about the medical advances made by Germany when they did medical experiments on Jewish prisoners?

Nazi Doctor: "Ah yes! it appears that it is easier to burn a Jew after they have been gassed."

What medical advances?

Do you honestly congratulate all of Nazi germany for their efforts for making the world a better place?

At 6/2/03 12:19 PM, nailbomb wrote:
Do you honestly congratulate all of Nazi germany for their efforts for making the world a better place?

In my current state of being quite filthily drunk, I could only point out that Hitler's moustache was quite bloody gay.
I will be back with more, intelligent this time, posts soon.

At 6/2/03 12:19 PM, nailbomb wrote:
Nazi Doctor: "Ah yes! it appears that it is easier to burn a Jew after they have been gassed."

What medical advances?

Do you honestly congratulate all of Nazi germany for their efforts for making the world a better place?

the point I was trying to make was that scientific advancement and anti-humanism often go hand-in-hand. How do you think psychologists found out which parts of the brain did what? Nazis took turns cutting different parts of brains out of prisoners, and studying them. Moral? Shit no, it wasnt moral. Helped advance medicine and diagnose mental disorders and develope better brain surgeries? Sadly, yes.

At 6/2/03 01:05 PM, FUNKbrs wrote: the point I was trying to make was that scientific advancement and anti-humanism often go hand-in-hand. How do you think psychologists found out which parts of the brain did what? Nazis took turns cutting different parts of brains out of prisoners, and studying them.

That has been done long before the time of WWII, only they were studying corpses. And it's still going on in high school, college, university; students and/or scientists are studying the animal and/or human anatomy using already deceased living creatures. I don't see why you're pointing out only the experiments done on Jews. Ah yes, to justify war.

At 6/2/03 01:16 PM, nailbomb wrote:

At 6/2/03 01:05 PM, FUNKbrs wrote: the point I was trying to make was that scientific advancement and anti-humanism often go hand-in-hand. How do you think psychologists found out which parts of the brain did what? Nazis took turns cutting different parts of brains out of prisoners, and studying them.

That has been done long before the time of WWII, only they were studying corpses. And it's still going on in high school, college, university; students and/or scientists are studying the animal and/or human anatomy using already deceased living creatures. I don't see why you're pointing out only the experiments done on Jews. Ah yes, to justify war.

Nazi germany wasnt a superpower though, it was on the verge of becoming one. A superpower needs to be able to support itself over a long period of time, soon germany would run out of jews to use for slave labor and than it's economy would crumble.

At 6/2/03 12:06 PM, nailbomb wrote: My point is that only a handful of inventions were originaly used in warfare, or were based on inventions used in warfare.

Internet: based off of DARPANET, a Cold War military project to provide a decentralized information distribution system that could survive a nuclear attack.

Calculator: based on computer technology which was greatly advanced and developed in WWII

War is not the only source of invention, but it and the military itself are excellent catalysts of scientific and technological development.

At 6/2/03 11:04 AM, FUNKbrs wrote:

At 6/2/03 01:38 AM, nitroxide wrote: LOL...tell that to Nazi germany...LOL or for that matter tell that to moses and his people...

Proving that america spends so much money on weapon developement proves that america is not using the economy for proper purposes,many scientific and medical benefits are being put off due to this insufficient use of money.

It proves we are living in a police state.

Um, you know that most of the great scientific advances of our time were created for war, right? Nuclear power is a direct descendent of the nuclear bomb. Satellite tv is a direct descendent of the Nazi V3 rockets. The internet was originally designed as a government communications network, ie .gov. Necessity is the mother of invention, and there's no necessity quite like trying to find a way to kill some bastard before he kills you.

Interesting many armed psychotics think they are awaiting their eventual attack.
Should the years coming after the civil war be really known as the "gilded age"? The big great industrial revolution,bullshit what about the cost of this progressive era,Working class children,Irish and chinese immigrants literally worked to death for the good of a fucking railroad,the neglected slums,the polluted water,malnutrition and disease,the huge cotton supply at the expense of labor of black slaves,the police beatings on natives and immigrants on strike-all in the name of "Progress"

I agree with you to some extent but look at it this way,the rewards that have been given are high,great benefits that have not been shared,that have been consumed by the wealthy a small part of the people...Billions in the 3rd world,are still ill,early child deaths,disease and famine.

i know i am gonig to the BACKSTREET BOYS for renl.

At 5/31/03 10:53 PM, FUNKbrs wrote: You might disagree with US policy, but it has kept us on top so far. Hate it all you want, it worked.

the fact that more than some americans are happy with their politics is that they suppose that superpowers are needed. They're not. I live in Finland, so I have never lived in a country of military superpower. But if I had to choose that should Finland become a superpower, I'd say no. I'd say that to any country, and I'd especially say it to countries that have never been toys of war for superpowers, like Finland has, since if they haven't, they'd propably not see that what they are doing is wrong. Now, the americans are a superpower, and are toying with smaller countries to show their power. I can't get how the americans can do it, even when they were toys of the Spain, Portugal and the GB once......I say "no" to all superpowers...

At 6/2/03 07:57 PM, Commander-K25 wrote: War is not the only source of invention, but it and the military itself are excellent catalysts of scientific and technological development.

Yes, so is sitting under an apple tree but I don't see you making a big deal out of discoveries and inventions that weren't based on or indirectly created by the need for destruction.

i know that ok it not cool.

At 6/13/03 03:30 PM, killed2 wrote: i know that ok it not cool.

Good for you. You're very clever.

At 6/4/03 01:10 PM, nailbomb wrote: Yes, so is sitting under an apple tree but I don't see you making a big deal out of discoveries and inventions that weren't based on or indirectly created by the need for destruction.

I never said that all invention was caused by war; I said that war can often speed up the process because necessity is the mother of invention and in war the necessity of winning encourages one to invent and develop new technologies.

Yes, many inventions were created during times of war, as were many other things created during times of peace, I really don't think anyone can say "more things were invented during war than peace". Even so, I doubt our bare necessities and even luxury items such as the chair were invented for para-military purposes.

At 6/13/03 04:11 PM, antiqkk wrote:

At 6/13/03 03:30 PM, killed2 wrote: i know that ok it not cool.

Good for you. You're very clever.

no i do,t clever a about anyone ok what a bout you do you clever for some one.

At 6/13/03 11:31 PM, killed2 wrote:

At 6/13/03 04:11 PM, antiqkk wrote:

At 6/13/03 03:30 PM, killed2 wrote: i know that ok it not cool.

Good for you. You're very clever.

no i do,t clever a about anyone ok what a bout you do you clever for some one.

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! I can't enough of this guys insane rambling! But, im pretty im the only one. Mods, do your job.

At 6/13/03 10:04 PM, nailbomb wrote: Yes, many inventions were created during times of war, as were many other things created during times of peace, I really don't think anyone can say "more things were invented during war than peace". Even so, I doubt our bare necessities and even luxury items such as the chair were invented for para-military purposes.

Sloth is the mother of invention. Just ask Garfield the cat.

War advances technology...of destruction, yes.