Muslims bared from Leaving Islam

[Tony-DarkGrave]

Malaysian Christian convert loses battle
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Malaysia's best-known Christian convert, Lina Joy, has lost a six-year battle to have the word "Islam" removed from her identity card, after the country's highest court rejected the change.

The court's ruling helps define religious freedoms in multi-racial Malaysia, whose constitution guarantees freedom of worship but deems all ethnic Malays like Joy to be Muslims, subject to Islamic laws that bar her conversion to another faith.

"You can't at whim and fancy convert from one religion to another," Federal Court Chief Justice Ahmad Fairuz Sheikh Abdul Halim said in delivering judgment in the case, which has stirred religious tensions in the mainly Muslim nation.

About 200 Muslims, mostly youths, had gathered outside the domed courthouse for the ruling. They welcomed the news with shouts of "Allah-o-Akbar" (God is great).

The three-judge appeal bench ruled 2-1 against Joy. The dissenting judge was the only non-Muslim on the bench.

The chief justice said the country's highest civil court had no jurisdiction in the case and said it should be dealt with by the country's Islamic or sharia court system.

"The issue of apostasy is related to Islamic law, so it's under the sharia court. The civil court cannot intervene," Ahmad Fairuz said.

In practice, sharia courts do not allow Muslims to formally renounce Islam.

They often end up in legal limbo, unable to register their new religious affiliations or legally marry non-Muslims. Many keep silent about their choice or emigrate.

Lina Joy, 43, was born Azlina Jailani and was brought up as a Muslim, but at the age of 26 decided to become a Christian.

She wants to marry her Christian boyfriend, a cook, but she cannot do so while her identity card declares her to be Muslim.

In 1999, the National Registration Department allowed her to change the name in her identity card to Lina Joy but the entry for her religion remained "Islam".

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[SouthAsian]

Wow, Im sure prophet Muhammad (PBUH) wouldnt have forbidden her to do as she wishes. I mean i'm muslim and I love Islam very much and I feel like she should have the freedom to do as she wishes!

[Tony-DarkGrave]

bah islam is nothing but trouble

[Mathaeus]

At 6/1/07 03:51 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote: bah

Aww.

You're such an adorable little zionist sheep, aren't you?

Yes you are. Yes you are.

islam is nothing but trouble

LOL

[Tony-DarkGrave]

At 6/1/07 04:01 PM, Mathaeus wrote:

At 6/1/07 03:51 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote:

Aww.

You're such an adorable little zionist sheep, aren't you?

Yes you are. Yes you are.

LOL

fuck you I dont advocate zionists or mulims there booth fucking trouble the zionists piss off the muslims and they blow themselves up.

[Bolo]

At 6/1/07 03:51 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote: bah islam is nothing but trouble

Now, that isn't racist at all, is it?

Come on. If you seriously believe that most Muslims are are dangerous zealots who scream and blow themselves up, then you really don't understand the nature of that religion. Truth is, most Muslims are PEACEFUL AND LOVING peoples.

Why? Because that's what Islam was created to promote. I'm not even shitting you, here, man. Read the Koran. Islam is no more "dangerous" than any other religion in the world. Look back at the Middle ages to what atrocities the Chistians committed. Before that, the Jews (killed Chistianity's main figure) and the Pagans (prosecuted / executed any religion that would threaten its power).

All religions have blood on their hands. To deny this fact by singling one out as being "nothing but trouble", is to deny history itself.

Jeez, have you ever even MET a Muslim person?

[Tony-DarkGrave]

At 6/1/07 05:36 PM, Bolo wrote:

At 6/1/07 03:51 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote:

Jeez, have you ever even MET a Muslim person?

yes I learned that turbans smell

/sarcasm

[Werewolf91]

At 6/1/07 05:36 PM, Bolo wrote:

At 6/1/07 03:51 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote: bah islam is nothing but trouble

Now, that isn't racist at all, is it?

Correct, it isn't racist. It would be racist if Muslims were a race or something like that.

But I do agree that Dante-Son-Of-Sparda (Is that supposed to be Sparta or is Sparda some location I know nothing about?) is pretty much an ass when he talks about things like this.

On another note, I think it's dumb that people would try to stop other people from converting to another religion. If the person wants to be a Christian or a Muslim or whatever, just let them be what they want to be. :/

[Tony-DarkGrave]

no religon of any type is trouble and my Name is Sparda google it is a name of a videogame charachrter

[Mathaeus]

At 6/1/07 06:16 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote: no religon of any type is trouble and my Name is Sparda google it is a name of a videogame charachrter

Have you ever met a man named Tom Metzger?

You too were made for eachother.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

At 6/1/07 06:28 PM, Mathaeus wrote:

At 6/1/07 06:16 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote:

Have you ever met a man named Tom Metzger?

You too were made for eachother.

shut the fuck up

[Korriken]

so basically, to change your religion from islam you have to go to the sharia court for permission, and you get denied every time... who didn't see that coming? I personally think its an injustice, if she no longer believes in islam, then I don't see why she can't convert if she truly believes in christianity. However, if she doesn't truly believe in christianity or islam, then I don't see they can't just label her as an agnostic.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

see this is why I dont do the religon thing

[Mathaeus]

At 6/1/07 07:09 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote: see this is why I dont do the religon thing

You're still young.

[uhnoesanoob]

At 6/1/07 04:01 PM, Mathaeus wrote:

At 6/1/07 03:51 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote: bah

Aww.

You're such an adorable little zionist sheep, aren't you?

Yes you are. Yes you are.

islam is nothing but trouble

LOL

Oh yay! Random extremist vagrant! He can
NOT be bias in the least right guys?

[JakeHero]

At 6/1/07 05:36 PM, Bolo wrote: Now, that isn't racist at all, is it?

Muslims aren't a race.

[SmackBang]

At 6/1/07 03:21 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote:

"You can't at whim and fancy convert from one religion to another," Federal Court Chief Justice Ahmad Fairuz Sheikh Abdul Halim said in delivering judgment in the case

Well, actually you can change your religion anytime in your life after all it is your faith. The court is being idiotic on this one, who is to decide who can convert faith and who cannot, the answer lies in the person not a court house.

[SirLebowski]

At 6/1/07 05:36 PM, Bolo wrote:

is no more "dangerous" than any other religion in the world. Look back at the Middle ages to what atrocities the Chistians committed. Before that, the Jews (killed Chistianity's main figure) and the Pagans (prosecuted / executed any religion that would threaten its power).

All religions have blood on their hands. To deny this fact by singling one out as being "nothing but trouble", is to deny history itself.

But you see, the blood of those religions were then, and this is now. I'm sure if I was alive during the Inquisition I would be pretty fucking pissed. But I am not.

Islam seems, right now, seems to have the most violent followers of any large, accepted religion.

[Mathaeus]

At 6/1/07 08:15 PM, uhnoesanoob wrote: Oh yay! Random extremist

I fail to see how I could possibly qualify as an "extremist" as I am mainly peaceful and even-tempered by nature.

vagrant!

I never really thought about constructing a public profile as I was having way too much fun pissing off arrogant Islamophobes such as yourself.

He can NOT be bias in the least right guys?

You would have the audacity to accuse me of being biased?

Physician, heal thyself!

[uhnoesanoob]

At 6/1/07 08:45 PM, Mathaeus wrote:

At 6/1/07 08:15 PM, uhnoesanoob wrote: Oh yay! Random extremist

I fail to see how I could possibly qualify as an "extremist" as I am mainly peaceful and even-tempered by nature.

Ok, lets look at your links....wow, a link that is showing hate towards Israel. You are right man, I am SO sorry, you are not extremist in THE LEAST.

vagrant!

Yup, usually shows that you are a troll..

I never really thought about constructing a public profile as I was having way too much fun pissing off arrogant Islamophobes such as yourself.

Oh, so you ARE a troll. Nice. Admission is the path to salvation my friend. Or at least for you. I am an atheist:P.

He can NOT be bias in the least right guys?

You would have the audacity to accuse me of being biased?

It's what I do when I see idiots;D

Physician, heal thyself!

I am not the one who needs a doctor here buddy....

[Tony-DarkGrave]

athiestism is best we are alot more neutral

[Mathaeus]

At 6/1/07 08:57 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote: athiestism is best we are alot more neutral

Actually, neurtrality runs more along the line of agnosticism.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

At 6/1/07 09:31 PM, Mathaeus wrote:

At 6/1/07 08:57 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote: athiestism is best we are alot more neutral

Actually, neurtrality runs more along the line of agnosticism.

thats true we are.

[Mathaeus]

At 6/1/07 08:53 PM, uhnoesanoob wrote:

At 6/1/07 08:45 PM, Mathaeus wrote:

At 6/1/07 08:15 PM, uhnoesanoob wrote: Oh yay! Random extremist

I fail to see how I could possibly qualify as an "extremist" as I am mainly peaceful and even-tempered by nature.

Ok, lets look at your links....wow, a link that is showing hate towards Israel.

So what you're saying is that I am a bigger extremist than the Israeli militiaman that kills innocent civilians and other non-combatants?

Would you mind doing me a favor: if you ever get the chance, would you look up on the stories of Rachel Corrie and the USS Liberty sometime?

You're the best, sugarbear.

You are right man, I am SO sorry, you are not extremist in THE LEAST.

Apology accepted.

I never really thought about constructing a public profile as I was having way too much fun pissing off arrogant Islamophobes such as yourself.

Oh, so you ARE a troll.

Actually I just come here to debate on certain topics just like (almost) everybody else; isn't that what "politics" is all about?

Pissing off the likes of you is just a bonus.

Nice. Admission is the path to salvation my friend. Or at least for you. I am an atheist:P.

So is Tom Metzger. You two really should meet as you both have a lot in common.

He can NOT be bias in the least right guys?

You would have the audacity to accuse me of being biased?

It's what I do when I see idiots;D

Act like a complete hypocrite?

[Tony-DarkGrave]

im not into gay racists thank you

[sexy-muslim-girl]

Heh, this here is getting pretty cute. i wonder what response i'll receive if i scream "i believe in Allah AND play tennis AND read saddle club! oh noes teh hypocritical infidel! ohhhh noes!

:P

[sexy-muslim-girl]

At 6/1/07 08:17 PM, JakeHero wrote:
Muslims aren't a race.

LOL. humorous. Next thing you'll be telling me that jewish people didn't originate from israel at all, it was pure coincidence that most people in israel held the same political systems, same cultural systems, same belief systems and that the majority of jewish people come from israel as do the majority of muslims come from arabian areas- (because that's where our beliefs ORIGINATED from, just like other parts. so yes, being muslim can in part be a race)

[Tony-DarkGrave]

oh great a alt to start up a flame war

[Mathaeus]

At 6/1/07 10:20 PM, Tal-con wrote:

At 6/1/07 04:01 PM, Mathaeus wrote: You're such an adorable little zionist sheep, aren't you?

He didn't advocate zionism at all, retard.

Really?

From the topic entitled It's time to stand up to Israel

At 7/16/06 08:18 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote:

i am also pro-israeli and pro-ZIONIST

You're such an adorable little anti-Christian bigot, aren't you?

Nope.

[SuperDeagle]

At 6/2/07 12:13 AM, Mathaeus wrote: Really?

Your an idiot. He didn't not convey pro-Zionism in 'this' thread.
I don't understand how you bringing in information from 'another' thread makes it into context with 'this' thread.

Nope.

Maybe so, but it's undeniable that you are a bigot.