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At 6/5/07 06:26 PM, bcdemon wrote: You're getting close to sharing the IQ of a soil sample.

Looks like bcdemon is starting to bleed out the cunt.

BTW, your analogy is completely fucking retarded.

Not really. It conveys the meaning quite effectively, just because I say I'm not human doesn't mean so. The evidence concludes I am indeed human, just like the evidence concludes you are indeed, what i've been stating before. I'm sorry if that went over your head.

See, your ignorance is generalizing all fighters in Iraq as terrorists.

You're right. The Coalition Forces and Iraqis on our side aren't terrorist.

And the Shiites and Kurds are doing their fair share of killing aswell,

Never said they weren't and all the more reason to stay.

don't lay all the blame on the Sunnis (I know, you only do it because Saddam was Sunni so you think all Sunnis are evil).

Well, the people who you are so desperately trying to paint as freedom fighters are the sunnies, right? If the shoes fits......

Nah, the guys I support don't give a rats ass about Canada.

That's true, not alot of people do.

They are more worried about getting their lives back in order. Normal everyday Iraqis don't want to kill innocent folks, they just want to get their lives back to relative peacefulness, you know, before USA invaded.

Right, they want to get back to normal, so they use tactics like suicide bombings, torture, and execution of bystanders. Tell me, do you approve of the methods they use?

And you can call me anything you want, it's just another idiotic, ignorant opinion from

How many times have you used the word "ignorant?" Get a new line, you're a one trick pony and the show aint sellin' many tickets.

someone who supports a war that has killed thousands and thousands of innocent people.

Who said I support the war? I just don't support jihadist asslicks to justify my anti-american bias. And since when do you give a shit about thousands and thousands of lives? You're just using those statistics to emotionally charge an argument.

Whether you realize it or not, the USA is building permanent military bases in Iraq. Now what are the chances you are going to build permanent bases and then leave them? Slim to nil.

Whether or not this is true it would be up to the democratically elected Iraq government if the US stays or goes. Not you or me, or your jihadists.

I don't have an unrealistic view of the insurgents. I know there are terrorists from Saudi Arabia and Syria killing innocent Iraqis.

And insurgents too.

I know there are Iraq Shiite and Iraqi Sunni death squads killing innocent Iraqis due to their faith.

Do you think these "peasant" farmers are equipped to handle highly trained Syrian, Iranian, and Arabian death squads?

I also know there are Iraqis that are fighting only the US military in opposition to the occupation.

Yes, we call them insurgents and terrorist without all the pussy-footing around.

It's your unrealistic view that has grouped together everyone in Iraq as a terrorist.

I'm going by the dictionary definition. If you don't like my association then feel free to A) Stick your thumbs up your ass B) Call Webster and have them revise the definition.

It's not a matter of believing you're the problem, it's knowing it.

And you obviously don't know it. Answer me this: if the insurgents you defend quit fighting, and let the US Military train the Iraq volunteers to fight foreign threat, then leave when it feels the Iraqis are able to defend themselves, then do you think lives could return to normal for these peasants?

Your only argument for the insurgents is "Wel teh US iz thur!" So you're going to support jihadist group simply because of a benevolent military presence? There's no way logically or morally you can defend the insurgents. You only defend them because they oppose the US military, which leads to be believe your anti-american sentiment. The fact you use that bullshit comparison of nazi soldiers to US soldiers speaks volumes.

How many suicide bombings were done in Iraq before USA invaded? How many IEDs went off in a busy market in Iraq before the US invasion?

I'm pretty sure the three factions hadn't recently just started fighting, but oh yeah, weren't people being thrown in torture chambers, rape rooms, wood chippers and 450k kurds gased to death by the previous regime?

The terrorists that are in Iraq now, were not there before you got there. You are the problem.

I'll just take that as the anti-american speaking.

Fact of the matter is Jake, you're wrong and I am right, deal with it.

At 6/6/07 07:44 AM, bcdemon wrote: Fact of the matter is Jake, you're wrong and I am right, deal with it.

I am not goaded so easily, bcdemon. Try again.

In case people didn't realise, democracy doesn't just 'kick in'. It's a long, torturous process. Ever since America INVADED Iraq and overturned Saddam, Iraq has been incredibly unstable. And compared to a few thousand soldiers, over 500,000 Iraqi civillians have been killed during their time. Something tells me that the US forces are getting it wrong.

Oil. That's why America invaded Iraq. You don't see Bush giving two shits about the tyrants in other places of the world. Like China.

At 6/6/07 08:57 AM, ultrabitch wrote: over 500,000 Iraqi civillians have been killed during their time. Something tells me that the US forces are getting it wrong.

You're a fucking idiot.

Go read the dozens of others Iraqi death tolls, including the one from the UN. You wont' find anything over 120,000 except for one.

Haha, goddamn dumbass.

At 6/6/07 08:57 AM, ultrabitch wrote:

Oil. That's why America invaded Iraq. You don't see Bush giving two shits about the tyrants in other places of the world. Like China.

If we wanted oil, we would have invaded Saudi Arabia, dumbshit.

At 6/6/07 08:25 AM, JakeHero wrote:

At 6/6/07 07:44 AM, bcdemon wrote: Fact of the matter is Jake, you're wrong and I am right, deal with it.

I am not goaded so easily, bcdemon. Try again.

Ohh, so now I'm supposed to convince you that I am not pro-terrorist? LOL, you can run around thinking what you like, I don't give a rip. Hell, I'm sure you think the invasion/occupation is a good thing too.

At 6/6/07 10:49 PM, bcdemon wrote: Ohh, so now I'm supposed to convince you that I am not pro-terrorist? LOL, you can run around thinking what you like, I don't give a rip. Hell, I'm sure you think the invasion/occupation is a good thing too.

Okay so your not going to even attempt to prove him wrong?
And why the fuck do you drift to something completely different?
"I'm sure you think the invasion/occupation is a good thing too."
If anything just by saying that your supporting his claims, but oh well, "I don't give a rip."

I dont think that a win is possible in Iraq. And I think that we should just get out of there like Vietnam. And that 3,000+ U.S casulites is too much to waste on a third world country. Bush and his administration lied to all of us by saying that Sudam had W.M.Ds but I dont see any yet. I am all for this country but I think that Bush abused his powers as president and sent us to Iraq for oil, and money for the rich...........

At 6/6/07 11:03 PM, GothKid32 wrote: Bush and his administration lied to all of us by saying that Sudam had W.M.Ds but I dont see any yet. I am all for this country but I think that Bush abused his powers as president and sent us to Iraq for oil, and money for the rich...........

Sir, can you back any of that up with proof?

Yes I can if you look around than you can see that we have 3,000+ casulties. And we have not found any W.M.Ds in Iraq and President Bush said that they had W.M.Ds but still I dont see any. I will believe them when I see proof of W.M.Ds.

At 6/6/07 11:26 PM, GothKid32 wrote: Yes I can if you look around than you can see that we have 3,000+ casulties. And we have not found any W.M.Ds in Iraq and President Bush said that they had W.M.Ds but still I dont see any. I will believe them when I see proof of W.M.Ds.

That doesn't mean he lied you idiot. He went based off of what intelligence as well as foreign intelligence said at the time. And so did Britain, amoung many other European nations.

Do some damn research.

At 6/6/07 11:26 PM, GothKid32 wrote: Yes I can if you look around than you can see that we have 3,000+ casulties. And we have not found any W.M.Ds in Iraq and President Bush said that they had W.M.Ds but still I dont see any. I will believe them when I see proof of W.M.Ds.

This proves how dumb you are.
1. Into what I responded to, do you see at all 3000+ troops?
": Bush and his administration lied to all of us by saying that Sudam had W.M.Ds but I dont see any yet. I am all for this country but I think that Bush abused his powers as president and sent us to Iraq for oil, and money for the rich..........."
Is what I quoted.
2. Just because you can't see something does not mean it doesn't exists.
3. You can't prove he lied to us.
4. Hes not the only person who said they had WMDs
5. You can't back up anything especially the oil claim.

I know that Bush was not the only person that said they had WMDs.
And the media and the government say that they have a 3,000 body count and that they have not found WMDs.
Everybody knows that we have a 3,000+ body count.
Have you seen the government say anything about WMDs??????
And if you are dening that we have lost 3,000 people than you are dumb.
And if Iraq had WMDs they would have used them in the begining of the war like back in Desert Strom they used WMDs.

At 6/6/07 11:47 PM, GothKid32 wrote: I know that Bush was not the only person that said they had WMDs.
And the media and the government say that they have a 3,000 body count and that they have not found WMDs.
Everybody knows that we have a 3,000+ body count.
Have you seen the government say anything about WMDs??????
And if you are dening that we have lost 3,000 people than you are dumb.
And if Iraq had WMDs they would have used them in the begining of the war like back in Desert Strom they used WMDs.

Are you really that blind? Did I once say the death count was not 3000+? Did I not tell you that I did not say that also? Can you read?
Also, if your hiding a WMD why would you use it?
Can you back up anything you say with legitament evidence instead of rambling thoughts?

It doesn't matter if we "win" or "lose" because in the long one we already lost. Meaning, it's already so screwed up were going to lose more lives, and to add on, we basicaly did it for NO REASON. I think we already lost....

At 6/6/07 10:57 PM, SuperDeagle wrote:

At 6/6/07 10:49 PM, bcdemon wrote: Ohh, so now I'm supposed to convince you that I am not pro-terrorist? LOL, you can run around thinking what you like, I don't give a rip. Hell, I'm sure you think the invasion/occupation is a good thing too.

Okay so your not going to even attempt to prove him wrong?

Short of going and fighting terrorism, I don't see how I can convince him, if he won't believe when I say it, then there is nothing more to discuss.

And why the fuck do you drift to something completely different?
"I'm sure you think the invasion/occupation is a good thing too."
If anything just by saying that your supporting his claims, but oh well, "I don't give a rip."

umm, never mind, went right over your head.

yeah man I think that we have already lost just like Vietnam. I think that we need to pull out because who really cares about a third world country. Weve already tooken out there main leader and most of them our mad that we even came over to their country. I love this government but I think Bush and some people in the goverment dont care that we are loosing soldiers everyday they are abusing their power so that they can make money or have a grand old time

At 6/7/07 01:13 AM, GeneralFox7 wrote: yeah man I think that we have already lost just like Vietnam.

Comparing Iraq to a war in Vietnam is plain stupidity.

While we lose 100 per month, there were points where in Vietnam we lost up to 2500.

At 6/7/07 01:20 AM, Memorize wrote:

At 6/7/07 01:13 AM, GeneralFox7 wrote: yeah man I think that we have already lost just like Vietnam.

Comparing Iraq to a war in Vietnam is plain stupidity.

While we lose 100 per month, there were points where in Vietnam we lost up to 2500.

Yeah, that's true, but this war is becoming more and more fruitless every single day. Nothing is happening really...Just a bunch of US troops going around and telling Iraqui people how to police their own country. Why doesn't Bush help some other country that needs it, Africa for instance.

At 6/7/07 01:45 AM, Xybernet wrote:

Yeah, that's true, but this war is becoming more and more fruitless every single day.

Not according to this guy

Nothing is happening really...Just a bunch of US troops going around and telling Iraqui people how to police their own country.

Jeez, what else would we do there?

Why doesn't Bush help some other country that needs it, Africa for instance.

He's tripled aid to Africa...

it is possible to win in iraq but we are being stupid and arrogant many people have died who shouldnt have died all in all this war is winnable but it is a waste of time and soldiers

iraq is winnable but it is a waste of time life and resources

Maybe the war is winnable. who knows.

nuf said

Sorry but ... the US is losing the "war on terrorism"

simple answer... no

I hope you all realize that the only reason there's still troops in Iraq is really just to take advantage of the situation (eg natural ressources). It's been six freaking years and still nothing seems to be even remotely fixed. If you say the fact we haven't had any more terrorist attack is a proof it's working, I'm afraid it's like saying a random rock on the ground repels tigers because there aren't any nearby.

This war started when a plane driven by some muslim nutcases crashed into the WTC. At this point, we could have simply thightened security in airports and such and sent a few troops to catch the responsible. In six years, what have we got? A dethroned Saddam, thousands of deads and no trace of motherf*cking Osama. Call it conspiracy if you want, but I strongly doubt bringing peace to middle east was the real reason why Bush decided to go to war.

Those sand-eating freaks can work out a solution to their mess themselves. Of course we should get the fuck out of there, we got enough problems on our own like that.

No,i don't think so;They're very defiant,and no end is in sight. Victory isn't possible,me thinks.

Well first we are there not for freedom. The war on terror is just something the government says to get us to believe them. The Vietnam War was a war on Communism. Just a thing to get us to believe them.

We won't win in Iraq because there is nothing to be won. The only real winners are the arms dealers that helped start the whole mess. And by mess I don't just mean Iraq, I mean all the way back to when we helped Afghanistan deal with the Russians. Ever since then it has been a game of help one harm another, then help the one being harmed to stop the one we first helped. It's confusing, I know. Here is a better example. We give country weapons to help them. Country B doesn't like that and eventually we give Country B because Country A is becoming too powerful with our weapons we gave them. And then country B becomes too powerful so we give country C weapons. And so on and so on.

The arms dealers are with ether part of our government or friends with our government. Ether way it isn't good.

The Middle East will always have problems. A big part of it is because we keep fueling the problems by giving them weapons. Sure it is to help them at first, but then we need to stop them because they get too powerful. Why do they get too powerful? Because we gave them weapons and billions of dollars.

It isn't a war, it is a game. A game that the only winners are not us, they are not the countries. The winners are the arms dealers. War makes money for them. In war you need weapons. Arms dealers need wars to get money. And it would seem that the arms dealers are working with our government.

We need to pull the plug out of the Middle East completely. They will go into civil wars over and over. But know what? They were doing that before way before we stuck our noses in it. The damage over there has been done, and there really isn't anything we can do about it. by being there, and there isn't Iraq, it is all the middle east, but by being there we are only making it worse then it already is.