Dirty Old America

[TheTio]

This is more against the american government than the american people
Hell, the people are all good actually

But what the fuck, I live in a country which is considered first world, but didnt support the war on Iraq, now our neighbours who did support it are getting excellent trade deals while the ones proposed for our country are "Not very convenient at this time"

Not convenient my ass, what is this shit, are America hiring hitmen now

And Syria, whatd they do, pfft, make us look stupid, dont you know we can squash you

Iran, hell, thats a joke, uh, we thought the weapons of mass destruction were in Iraq because of a typo from our Military Intelligence agencies right at the start, they meant to say Iraq, oh well, off to war again

The only country that has ever used weapons of mass destruction aggresively is, have a guess, AMERICA!!!

Who has more of them taboo weapons right now, have a guess, AMERICA!!!

I wasnt aware the U.N. had agreed only America are allowed to own and use these things

Erh, God bless

[bumcheekcity]

Top, you haven't asked any questions with your post, which makes it hard for me to reply. It is a brilliant and thought out third post though.

Anyway, for the sake of debate, I will ask the question that I think Tio was going to ask.

Are the US Government Hypocritical?

[antiqkk]

Are the US Government Hypocritical?

I wrote to a bunch of american government related posts already, but could jot down a few lines here. Why not.
I would have to say, yes. The american government is becoming something rather like Soviet Union, where people are brainwashed through media and told what to believe. People must believe in the good spirit of the American government, and thus view its action, such as the continuous use of violence, only as a struggle for freedom for all the "oppressed" Americans as well as some countries, which are of politial interest to the American government. In other words, why would US Government decide to help liberating any country that would not directly bring profit? Iraq has oil, very well, let's free the country of Saddam, and make up a great excuse of Saddam having weapons, which he will use to mass destruct people. The thing is, America has those weapons too and is already quite busy in the process of killing thousands.

[Jiperly]

WMD are weapons that leave an effect after the blast- so many nations have used WMD for hundreds of years- anything to do with chemical(dropping mustard gas in WWI) to biological(launching rotting bodies into castles to cause the spread of disease in the middle ages) is WMD.

i don't support Bush, but i hate to see people make ass's of themselves...

[nitroxide]

At 5/30/03 12:08 PM, Jiperly wrote: WMD are weapons that leave an effect after the blast- so many nations have used WMD for hundreds of years- anything to do with chemical(dropping mustard gas in WWI) to biological(launching rotting bodies into castles to cause the spread of disease in the middle ages) is WMD.

No,Weapons of MASS Destruction defined in government terms they only see themselves fit to define MASS destruction mustard gas is a joke compared to hiroshima.

::Nitro dodges flying rotting body::

[TheTio]

At 5/30/03 12:08 PM, Jiperly wrote: WMD are weapons that leave an effect after the blast

Does this make rape a weapon of mass destruction?

[antiqkk]

At 5/30/03 01:50 PM, TheTio wrote:

At 5/30/03 12:08 PM, Jiperly wrote: WMD are weapons that leave an effect after the blast

Does this make rape a weapon of mass destruction?

Maybe in your religion

[FUNKbrs]

I thought Weapons of Mass Destruction were just weapons that blow up a lot of shit in one go/ kill a lot of people at once. After effects my ass.

[antiqkk]

"Weapon of mass destruction" includes chemical warfare agents, biological warfare agents, nuclear agents, or radiological agents, the intentional release of industrial agents as a weapon, or any destructive device or explosive in excess of five pounds or 2.26 kilograms. "Weapon of mass destruction" does not include the development, production, transfer, acquisition, retention, or possession of any biological agent, toxin, or delivery system utilized for prophylactic, protective, or peaceful purposes by any university, research institution, private individual (see? Saddam is allowed to have a nuke, it's not classidified s weapon of mass destruction), or hospital which is registered with the Centers for Disease Control.

"Weapon of mass destruction" means any of the following destructive devices:

(1) A device that contains:
(A) an explosive;
(B) an incendiary; or
(C) a toxic or poisonous chemical, biological
disease, organism, or virus.

(2) A bomb.

(3) A grenade.

(4) A rocket having a propellant charge of more than four ounces.

(5) A missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than twenty-five hundredths (0.25) ounce.

(6) A mine.

(7) An aerosol spraying mechanism or other device capable of disseminating a poisonous chemical, biological disease, organism, or virus.

(8) A weapon designed to release radiation or radioactivity at a level dangerous to human life."

[House-Of-Leaves]

The American government is...hmm. Hypocritical? Sure, in many ways. The constitution itself is a bit contradictory, I've recently fount out. Started chatting with a friend one day about constitutional law, and hot damn, he's a freakin' expert! lol

More than hypocritical, though...the american government is manipulative. It's facade of being such a rich, powerful country allows it to play with the rest of the world like a puppetmaster toys with his dummy. (I say facade because of, simply put, the national debt. Real wealth only occurs when all debts are paid.)

That's something I can't stand about this country. It's manipulation of the media, the local leaders, the military, police forces...everything. Feh.

God bless to you, too, Tio. :D

[Dewbs789]

Why are you people so concerned about how the govermnt maliputes everything and is hypocritical. It's how the goverment works, somtimes for the good , othertimes for the bad.

[Jimsween]

At 5/30/03 05:24 AM, bumcheekycity wrote: Top, you haven't asked any questions with your post, which makes it hard for me to reply. It is a brilliant and thought out third post though.

Anyway, for the sake of debate, I will ask the question that I think Tio was going to ask.

Are the US Government Hypocritical?

CAn you find a government that isnt? It's rather hard not to be considering how much they do in a day.

[Jimsween]

At 5/30/03 04:12 PM, House_Of_Leaves wrote:

More than hypocritical, though...the american government is manipulative. It's facade of being such a rich, powerful country allows it to play with the rest of the world like a puppetmaster toys with his dummy. (I say facade because of, simply put, the national debt. Real wealth only occurs when all debts are paid.)

The debt is owed to ourselves, and without our economy wouldnt never grow. I think the only countries that dont have debts are communist ones.

That's something I can't stand about this country. It's manipulation of the media, the local leaders, the military, police forces...everything. Feh.

Theres certainly alot of opposing views in the media considering were so manipulated. And for a media that is controlled by the government they certainly dont do a good job of keeping the government's secrets.

[fantom326]

the point, dewbs, is that is not how it should be. that definition of govt is your contemporary definition, because its been like that for so many years. i dont think when the founding fathers sat down and wrote the const. they envisioned the president declaring war.

[Kenney333]

Ya the american government is really hypocritical, they really do put themselves above the UN and the rest of the world, i mean the CIA does missions to stop revolution in pro-American countries, when america itsself was created in a huge bloody revolution, it really doesnt make sense, but so does not doing anything to stop them

[bumcheekcity]

At 5/31/03 01:36 AM, jimsween wrote: The debt is owed to ourselves, and without our economy wouldnt never grow. I think the only countries that dont have debts are communist ones.

I have no idea how a country can owe something to itself. It seems strange.

[antiqkk]

At 5/31/03 04:58 PM, bumcheekycity wrote:

At 5/31/03 01:36 AM, jimsween wrote: The debt is owed to ourselves, and without our economy wouldnt never grow. I think the only countries that dont have debts are communist ones.

I have no idea how a country can owe something to itself. It seems strange.

Well the government borrows from the private sector i think

[bumcheekcity]

At 5/31/03 05:06 PM, antiqkk wrote: Well the government borrows from the private sector i think

Still seems daft.