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At 5/31/03 04:20 PM, antiqkk wrote: Lots of stuff that I can't quote entirely.

Well...I can only assume you're being funny, because that made me giggle, and I also want to add that this is a FICTION book we're talking about.

Jesus does, however, get drunk in this book. Water into wine...that kicks his ass.

At 5/31/03 02:25 PM, House_Of_Leaves wrote: Okay, lastly...I can't remember what ...hmm. BCC, maybe? You were talking about being punished because they worked on sunday, which was considered a sin, and that it might have included stoning (or something similar)

Jesus didn't condone stoning. In fact, one of the most popular stories in the bible has to do with passing judgement. A woman was to be stoned. He stepped forward, picked up a stone, and said, "He who is without sin, cast the first stone." No one did.

You know, I've always wondered why Jesus didn't cast the stone. Or why one of the crowd didn't lob a rock at the cocky SOB that was preaching to them. I know I would have.

Actually, come to think of it, I believe you used the word 'purified', BCC. :) Sure, Jesus believed we should all be purified so we were worthy of heaven. He worked His ass off toward that end. S'why He died, too. So we don't have to.

To clarify, does that mean that sinners go to heaven (murderers, paedophiles) if they are truly sorry for what they have done. Also, does it mean homosexuals go to hell, because they see no wrong in what they have done (weather it is a sin or not.)

At 5/31/03 04:41 PM, bumcheekycity wrote: You know, I've always wondered why Jesus didn't cast the stone. Or why one of the crowd didn't lob a rock at the cocky SOB that was preaching to them. I know I would have.

I can't claim to know why, but I think it's because He preached love, and wanted people to understand that no sin was greater than the other. Also, I don't think it would have worked well for His cause to go around killing whores. ;)

To clarify, does that mean that sinners go to heaven (murderers, paedophiles) if they are truly sorry for what they have done. Also, does it mean homosexuals go to hell, because they see no wrong in what they have done (weather it is a sin or not.)

Okay, I was wondering when this was going to be asked. This is one of the reasons why so many people hate Christianity. I'll try to explain it in a way that doesn't sound too...I dunno. LOL

No matter what all the doctrines say, you don't get saved on merit badges. Good deeds to NOT get you into heaven. While it's a plus, it's not required.

One of the most profound things I was ever told was: "When you get to heaven, you'll be surprised at who's there...and even more surprised at who isn't." I believe that there is no unforgivable sin. Those who die in their sin, yes, will go to hell. But those who believe in Christ...they will no matter what.

It's hard to comprehend it all, because we're human. -I- don't even comprehend it. But...well. Christ can see into a person's heart. He can tell if they're accepting Him with honesty, or just using Him as an excuse to sin. That doesn't just go for criminals or people that we, as humans, have a hard time forgiving and accepting. It means the pious christians that aren't really christians at all, it means the people that use God as a social status while not really believing.

Now...when it comes to being sorry for what you've done in order to get to heaven...this...is harder to explain. I guess. I'll use myself as an example.

I've committed the 'sin' of homosexuality. I don't think it's wrong to love someone, regardless of gender. I can't be sure that it's a sin or not. So...well. I guess the only way to do this is share with you what I pray often. Obviously it's not as...I dunno...contrived when I pray it, and I'm paraphrasing. It's just the gist. An example.

Here goes nuthin'.

"Lord, thank you for everything you've done for me, the strength and the hope you've given me. I know that I'm not perfect, and more importantly, I know YOU know that. I sometimes forget myself, and do thing that I might not think are wrong, but if they are? And they hurt you? I'm sorry. I'm so sorry, and I'm sorry for everything I'll do in the future. I'll continue to ask forgiveness til the day I see Your face."

Hope that helps. :) No, not trying to convert anyone. I'll keep saying that, just in case I sound evangelical. I'm not trying to. I'm just sayin' what I feel! *grin*

At 5/31/03 05:22 PM, House_Of_Leaves wrote: But those who believe in Christ...they will no matter what.

Uh...I'm full of typos today.

They will be SAVED no matter what. Not go to hell.

I'm also particularly long-winded. I'm sorry about that. :)

At 5/31/03 05:22 PM, House_Of_Leaves wrote:

At 5/31/03 04:41 PM, bumcheekycity wrote: You know, I've always wondered why Jesus didn't cast the stone. Or why one of the crowd didn't lob a rock at the cocky SOB that was preaching to them. I know I would have.

Me Too.

I can't claim to know why, but I think it's because He preached love, and wanted people to understand that no sin was greater than the other. Also, I don't think it would have worked well for His cause to go around killing whores. ;)

He preached the words of the voices in his head,in our time he would be nothing but a joke,a horse thief with no shame.You dont have to be jesus to not go around killing whores.

Okay, I was wondering when this was going to be asked. This is one of the reasons why so many people hate Christianity. I'll try to explain it in a way that doesn't sound too...I dunno. LOL

Even you think about its pure lunacy and laugh.

No matter what all the doctrines say, you don't get saved on merit badges. Good deeds to NOT get you into heaven. While it's a plus, it's not required.

Ok great,it should be done from ones heart whatever someone chooses to help someone its done out of care for man,not to see what one will get in return.
But alot of christians/catholics dont follow what you follow.

One of the most profound things I was ever told was: "When you get to heaven, you'll be surprised at who's there...and even more surprised at who isn't." I believe that there is no unforgivable sin. Those who die in their sin, yes, will go to hell. But those who believe in Christ...they will no matter what.

Will gandhi be there?He dint believe in christ.
How do we know what truly is sin if the word of god has been highly reconstructed and molded by time,man and church.

It's hard to comprehend it all, because we're human. -I- don't even comprehend it. But...well. Christ can see into a person's heart. He can tell if they're accepting Him with honesty, or just using Him as an excuse to sin. That doesn't just go for criminals or people that we, as humans, have a hard time forgiving and accepting. It means the pious christians that aren't really christians at all, it means the people that use God as a social status while not really believing.

That is great for you,but what about me an atheist that doesnt sin,is not believing in him a sin?Then Confucious is in hell along with the buddah and many diffrent worshippers of religions that have existed longer than yours.

Now...when it comes to being sorry for what you've done in order to get to heaven...this...is harder to explain. I guess. I'll use myself as an example.

:REPENT AT THE LAST SECOND!...lol

I've committed the 'sin' of homosexuality. I don't think it's wrong to love someone, regardless of gender. I can't be sure that it's a sin or not. So...well. I guess the only way to do this is share with you what I pray often. Obviously it's not as...I dunno...contrived when I pray it, and I'm paraphrasing. It's just the gist. An example.

Neither do i.Homosexuality is a beautiful thing."Whatever tickles your pickle" but i ask you again why would you even want to be associated with a group that discreetly if anything hate your homosexual ways and will say that you will be denied entrance into their lords kingdom.

"Lord, thank you for everything you've done for me, the strength and the hope you've given me. I know that I'm not perfect, and more importantly, I know YOU know that. I sometimes forget myself, and do thing that I might not think are wrong, but if they are? And they hurt you? I'm sorry. I'm so sorry, and I'm sorry for everything I'll do in the future. I'll continue to ask forgiveness til the day I see Your face."

Very nice.

Hope that helps. :) No, not trying to convert anyone. I'll keep saying that, just in case I sound evangelical. I'm not trying to. I'm just sayin' what I feel! *grin*

You dont need religion to be a good person.
I feel what you feel from faith in myself.*grins*

I don't think most religions accept homosexuality and it is contridicting when some followers are okay with it while others groups of the same religion forbid it.

George Carlin's a funny man

At 5/31/03 10:03 PM, Nirvana13666 wrote: I don't think most religions accept homosexuality and it is contridicting when some followers are okay with it while others groups of the same religion forbid it.

I don't think it's contradictive at all.

I think it just shows how much humans differ from one to another. Religion is just like political parties for example.

How many republicans here can claim they both believe the EXACT same thing?

How many democrats can claim the same?

I'd bet that none can. Personal belief will differ among the people, obviously. That doesn't mean they can't believe in a deity.

At 5/30/03 09:56 AM, bumcheekycity wrote:
Jesus said love the sinner, hate the sin. She can sin and be a christian. Although, I don't regard homosexuality as a sin. To be a Christian you have to accept the teachings of Christ, who among other things, taught us to kill any man who worked on a Sunday or cheated on his wife.

Actually, Jesus said the OPPOSITE. He taught that the Sabbath (which BTW was Saturday back then) was made for man (and woman) and not the other way around. He performed miracles on the Sabbath, and sent his disciples to pick wheat on the Sabbath. Also, when Jesus encountered the adulterous woman about to be stoned to death, he defended her. He said that the one without sin should cast the first stone. Of course nobody is perfect, so they couldn't stone her, and Jesus did not condemn her. He forgave her, and warned her not to do that sin again.
I do regard homosexuality as a sin. It is condemned as a sin in the Bible. If the meaning was altered in the translation, then that's one thing, but as far as I know it is a sin. The Bible does not say to hate homosexuals, but it did say that it is a sin. You can still be Christian and believe in Jesus, but guess what? If you die in sin, you will go to hell. Homosexuality is a sin. One must repent from being a homosexual in order to go to heaven (among other things). There are two criteria for salvation: believe that Jesus is the savior, and be free from sin at the moment of death (or the rapture). How is one free fom sin? Easy. Jesus forgives us if you ask Him and are sincere.

the point i was trying to make in this topic was how there's no logic in the fact that christians are against abortion and also homosexuals, the only people in the world that will NEVER HAVE an abortion.

At 6/1/03 01:06 PM, WaldenPunk wrote: the point i was trying to make in this topic was how there's no logic in the fact that christians are against abortion and also homosexuals, the only people in the world that will NEVER HAVE an abortion.

Yer, but just because they dont need an abortion, doesnt mean tehy are opposed to it. I will never need an abortion in my life because I am male, but I have no problemw tih women who want to have one.

At 6/1/03 12:04 AM, House_Of_Leaves wrote:

At 5/31/03 10:03 PM, Nirvana13666 wrote:

I don't think it's contradictive at all.

Some christians accept gays some dont how can you not see this?

I think it just shows how much humans differ from one to another. Religion is just like political parties for example.

Policts is decieving as is religion.

How many republicans here can claim they both believe the EXACT same thing?

Isnt it hypocritical?

How many democrats can claim the same?

Isnt it hypocritical?

I'd bet that none can. Personal belief will differ among the people, obviously. That doesn't mean they can't believe in a deity.

But the whole religion as a mass has said that the "deity" will not accept you.