PEACE

[Wiliam]

all i have to say is "Give peace a chance"

[House-Of-Leaves]

Simple. True. :)

I like your quote. 1 Corinthians is one of my most favorite books in the Bible.

[FUNKbrs]

Peace? Yeah, fuck that. Change is never peaceful, even when it is not catastrophic to human life. Progress is change. Therefore Peace is mutually exclusive to Progress.

[House-Of-Leaves]

At 5/29/03 12:07 AM, FUNKbrs wrote: Peace? Yeah, fuck that. Change is never peaceful, even when it is not catastrophic to human life. Progress is change. Therefore Peace is mutually exclusive to Progress.

That was surprisingly profound, and entirely too true.

As long as there's change there will be unrest. Heh.

[ichbincow]

Peace is an illusion embraced by both the Dreamers and The Fools.

[nitroxide]

At 5/28/03 09:21 PM, Wiliam wrote: all i have to say is "Give peace a chance"

Peace is wishful thinking...

Even i myself have faith in man but know that peace is but a dream in my lifetime.Make peace with yourself and try to make your own enviroment as peaceful as possible but as for a global peace...LOL.

[Slizor]

Change is never peaceful

That's not true, change is often peaceful and it is gradual. Revolution is not peaceful and is a big change. However, I think peace is in reference to peace between nations.

[JMHX]

As long as human beings are aronud, there can never be true peace.

[Nirvana13666]

Greed and power are peace’s worst enemy. They contradict the idea of peace altogether. Greed and power always cause a conflict along with it somewhere along the line. By wanting more land, more coasts for harbor trade, or more natural resources, are all perfect examples of greed and power.

Unless we change out fundamental morals and ethics and values as individuals and members of a collective we can only achieve true world peace by blowing the hell out of everyone and everything until all is calm and well. I think I'll go with changing my values and stuff.

[FUNKbrs]

Whoa, Power is definitely a GOOD thing. Power to feed the needy, power to heal the sick, power to make life more comfortable. Just because some people misuse their power is no reason to be anti-power. Greed, yeah, I can see you being anti-greed. But greed is the motivation for power, and power is necessary for progress. Do the ends justify the means? Well, it really depends of the amount of greed. A little greed is good (ie working even when you could be hanging out with friends, saving money by cutting back), but if your greed for power out weighs your love for your fellow man, that's the line where there is too much greed.

[nitroxide]

At 5/29/03 10:15 AM, FUNKbrs wrote: Whoa, Power is definitely a GOOD thing. Power to feed the needy, power to heal the sick, power to make life more comfortable. Just because some people misuse their power is no reason to be anti-power. Greed, yeah, I can see you being anti-greed. But greed is the motivation for power, and power is necessary for progress. Do the ends justify the means? Well, it really depends of the amount of greed. A little greed is good (ie working even when you could be hanging out with friends, saving money by cutting back), but if your greed for power out weighs your love for your fellow man, that's the line where there is too much greed.

Funk in our society can one regulate his own power.This is the reason for the checks and balance system.As i am not anti-power but i do agree that it corrupts and blinds eventually leading to no good.If we continue to add to the cycle of greed we are only adding to the corruption.

[FUNKbrs]

At 5/29/03 10:28 AM, nitroxide wrote: Funk in our society can one regulate his own power.This is the reason for the checks and balance system.As i am not anti-power but i do agree that it corrupts and blinds eventually leading to no good.If we continue to add to the cycle of greed we are only adding to the corruption.

Does power really lead to corruption, or does corruption lead to power? I don't think power is a corrupting force. I believe that given the power a corrupt individual will show his true face, instead of hiding behind morality. The powerless are as corrupt as the powerful, they just dont have the option of showing it.

Don't think of it as a cycle of greed (greed makes me acquire power, power leads to inaction, boredom leads to greed). The cycle never goes back to poverty, so it is really a formula for increasing human power, hardwired into every person. The important thing to remember is that greed has a purpose, and that purpose is to grant humans the power needed to be happy.

[nitroxide]

At 5/29/03 11:03 AM, FUNKbrs wrote:

At 5/29/03 10:28 AM, nitroxide wrote: Funk in our society can one regulate his own power.This is the reason for the checks and balance system.As i am not anti-power but i do agree that it corrupts and blinds eventually leading to no good.If we continue to add to the cycle of greed we are only adding to the corruption.

Does power really lead to corruption, or does corruption lead to power? I don't think power is a corrupting force. I believe that given the power a corrupt individual will show his true face, instead of hiding behind morality. The powerless are as corrupt as the powerful, they just dont have the option of showing it.

Very true.

Don't think of it as a cycle of greed (greed makes me acquire power, power leads to inaction, boredom leads to greed). The cycle never goes back to poverty, so it is really a formula for increasing human power, hardwired into every person. The important thing to remember is that greed has a purpose, and that purpose is to grant humans the power needed to be happy.

Is power needed to be happy buddist theory requires all needs to be abolished.Greed leads to suffering for a man that wants what he cant have will only suffer till either death or till he crosses the line you spoke of and does everything in power to attain the unattainable.Once attained one will only want more.What is the facination of power with man...maybe its all the cartoons we watch in youth about world domination,every villian lust for power,but this love of power is a direct result of greed.

DAG-"Today the politics forum tommorrow the world"
Mwahahamwahaha
::Sinister grin::

[FUNKbrs]

At 5/29/03 11:16 AM, nitroxide wrote: Is power needed to be happy buddist theory requires all needs to be abolished.

The dead have no needs. This is like saying the path to happiness is death, and the best time to start is while you are still living. What about the need to have children and take care of them? Oh yeah, you're supposed to be a celibate monk so that you have fewer needs. Need/greed is a motivating force necessary for progressive society. Without it, you get, well, rural china.

[bumcheekcity]

At 5/29/03 07:27 AM, Slizor wrote: That's not true, change is often peaceful and it is gradual. Revolution is not peaceful and is a big change. However, I think peace is in reference to peace between nations.

Change is only peaceful if it is slow. Massive amounts of it in a short amount of time trigger unrest and then wars.

[Shih]

Peace, contentment... God that thought gives me the shudders. Some people aren'r hardwired for peace, and don't want to be. Me, I've spent the last 16 years of my life studying the martial arts and becoming a warrior hence my sig. Life is about conflict one cannot exist without the other. Violence is not inherently bad, it is a tool and as any other tool the use it is applied too is what defines it's existence.

The day I say I'm content I want someone to put a bullet in the back of my skull, and hide my body where it will never be found.

[nitroxide]

At 5/29/03 11:25 AM, FUNKbrs wrote:

At 5/29/03 11:16 AM, nitroxide wrote: Is power needed to be happy buddist theory requires all needs to be abolished.

The dead have no needs. This is like saying the path to happiness is death, and the best time to start is while you are still living. What about the need to have children and take care of them? Oh yeah, you're supposed to be a celibate monk so that you have fewer needs. Need/greed is a motivating force necessary for progressive society. Without it, you get, well, rural china.

Im just glad i can believe you when you say the dead have no needs...you being an omnipresent being.(Or are you a returned from the dead...ooo!thats kool..are you?)Im not being sarcastic that really would be kool.

Buddist believe that human embodiment isnt the only for we can return.Is it a need to have children some people believe strongly against this.Its is a privilage to have children,either you take it as a gift or a curse on your life either way after that it becomes a moral responsibility done out of love.

I do agree change come from greed but is the change that comes from it good.Who says progressive change is necessarily a good thing.
Greed=Progressive change=Advanced weapons

[FUNKbrs]

At 5/29/03 12:09 PM, nitroxide wrote: I do agree change come from greed but is the change that comes from it good.Who says progressive change is necessarily a good thing.
Greed=Progressive change=Advanced weapons

Greed=Progressive change=Advanced weapons=Advanced technology=New solutions for old problems=End of world hunger and disease.

[nitroxide]

At 5/29/03 12:16 PM, FUNKbrs wrote:

At 5/29/03 12:09 PM, nitroxide wrote: I do agree change come from greed but is the change that comes from it good.Who says progressive change is necessarily a good thing.
Greed=Progressive change=Advanced weapons

Greed=Progressive change=Advanced weapons=Advanced technology=New solutions for old problems=End of world hunger and disease.

Greed=Progressive change=Advanced weapons=Advanced technology=Government intrusion=New solutions for old problems=New problems due to the solutions=Never ending cycle of mans inevatible destruction

::Goes off and limbo's with saint DAG::

[bumcheekcity]

At 5/29/03 11:51 AM, Shih wrote: Peace, contentment... God that thought gives me the shudders. Some people aren'r hardwired for peace, and don't want to be. Me, I've spent the last 16 years of my life studying the martial arts and becoming a warrior hence my sig. Life is about conflict one cannot exist without the other. Violence is not inherently bad, it is a tool and as any other tool the use it is applied too is what defines it's existence.

I am for world peace, but I have studied karate for a year and a half. I'm not a pascifist, if someone attacks us we should attack back, which is why I have and sometimes use my karate. I would never attack anyone, but if (and when) people threaten me I will not hesitate to smack them as hard as I can.

Conflict is the sort of thing you get on the street and the sort of thing self-defense arts protects you from. It is also struggling with a death in the family or your mum and dad breaking up. That is normal and makes you grow into a man.

Peace is good. People living together in harmony. Tell me that if you could get the whole world to live together peacefully at the touch of a button you wouldn't do it. And you will, so I ask you the pre-emptive question. Why?

[Kenney333]

An idealist would say that peace is easy
A realist would say peace cant be achived without war

but ya, greed and power contradict peace, get rid of them first, then work on peace

[ZenGaijin]

Good Anime quote "The three beats of war peace and revolution will continue on for all eternitity"

[Commander-K25]

“There is nothing in war that is not in human nature; but the violence and passions of men become, in the aggregate, an impersonal and incalculable force, a blind and irrational movement of the collective will, which one cannot control, which one cannot understand, which one can only endure....”
-Frederic Manning, Her Privates We

[TheShrike]

Why not give piece a chance?

Go get a piece of ass, or a piece of pie.

Ok yeah, it was lame. Sorry.

[Shih]

At 5/29/03 06:06 PM, bumcheekycity wrote: Peace is good. People living together in harmony. Tell me that if you could get the whole world to live together peacefully at the touch of a button you wouldn't do it. And you will, so I ask you the pre-emptive question. Why?

I'm not saying everyone who studies martial arts is like me. I myself can't imagine surviving in a totally peaceful state of existence, I don't want too. I am the type of person who requires conflict to thrive and advance myself. When I wrote that post it was not a statement about just peace between goverments but an all encompassing state of peace.

[Commander-K25]

Peace is stagnation and war, though terrifying, is the force of change and advancement. Look at all the technical developments that came from the world wars; those conflicts made the modern era. War stirs the waters of society, gets things moving faster.

[BewareOfWhite]

At 5/29/03 12:58 AM, ichbincow wrote: Peace is an illusion embraced by both the Dreamers and The Fools.

That sounds to me like something the "Dreamers and The Fools" would say.

[BewareOfWhite]

At 5/29/03 08:25 PM, Commander-K25 wrote: Peace is stagnation and war, though terrifying, is the force of change and advancement. Look at all the technical developments that came from the world wars; those conflicts made the modern era. War stirs the waters of society, gets things moving faster.

Wow... I undercut myself. Now THERE is something only a fool would say. Remember those World Wars? Well, to be fair, neither do I, but lets not forget those tens of millions of people who would, if they hadn't been KILLED during them.
Its like they say, "Its funny cause its not me"

[FUNKbrs]

At 5/29/03 08:25 PM, Commander-K25 wrote: Peace is stagnation and war, though terrifying, is the force of change and advancement. Look at all the technical developments that came from the world wars; those conflicts made the modern era. War stirs the waters of society, gets things moving faster.

I hate it when I agree with Commander, but it seems to happen more and more often. Maybe that damn political compass thing was right.