Newgrounds.com — Everything, By Everyone.

At 5/24/07 12:57 PM, Sanity-of-Insanity wrote: I have one question about this.

I know that making a threat about the president is wrong, and all. But what about making jokes about his/her intelligence?

we do it all the time here. so its ok

... Problem is, How the Fuck Is A Little Joke a threat to the president??
The Freedom of Speech is Lost. Its like taking the piss out of.. lets say, The President of... another country. they dont send secret service people over to another country, i mean, WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO SAY?

What, "You made a Joke about the President. you will be put to jail".

Fuck You, and Your Fucking "Lose Your Pride" System. as far as im conserned, this calls for a collab. please, make a collab.

Lol, couldnt help the ending.

At 5/24/07 01:00 PM, WadeFulp wrote:

At 5/24/07 12:57 PM, Sanity-of-Insanity wrote: I know that making a threat about the president is wrong, and all. But what about making jokes about his/her intelligence?

Perfectly fine. Pretty much anything goes as long as you aren't threatening the President with bodily harm.

Okay thanks for clearing that up.

any1 think SS would come to the netherlands for that... lol...
not that i want my acc terminated (omg noo!) but i dont think they come around... maybe i start a war that way... if that was treu, maybe some irac person posted here... hmm... nuff said!

... i didnt mean things like that, i ment little jokes. you cant get told of for that, because they are harmless. newgrounds is a communtity, youve got to admit they are taking the subject a bit to far.

the good part is, the Secret Service is always gonna have a hard time trying to find you.

At 5/24/07 12:50 PM, WadeFulp wrote: Considering the UK is an ally to the US, if the US felt a threat was credible enough they could call on your country to either investigate you, or have you brought to the USA for investigation.

Hahaha Guantamano (sp) basically apparently America is allowed to take citizens of other countries and torture them and keep them captive for 5 years before even trialling them untill its a smaller sentence to plead guilty and serve the rest of the sentence. America is above the law it can take whoever they want cos the countries beneath it are too passive and relying on there protection and trade to function.

At 5/24/07 01:06 PM, Truth wrote: the good part is, the Secret Service is always gonna have a hard time trying to find you.

NG>IP address>House address

You can do it your self with the right tools/knowledge and maybe a bit of money. It's not to hard.

At 5/24/07 01:06 PM, Twist-Chao06 wrote: ... i didnt mean things like that, i ment little jokes. you cant get told of for that, because they are harmless. newgrounds is a communtity, youve got to admit they are taking the subject a bit to far.

They are taking necessary precautions. They should take any threat as serious as the next one.

At 5/24/07 01:06 PM, Truth wrote: the good part is, the Secret Service is always gonna have a hard time trying to find you.

Not really. Wade I am sure willingly gave the SS the users IP address. Then they went to the ISP, and the isp probably told them where they live.

Jesus Christ, what the fuck is so hard to understand about this? Why is there this huge contingent of idiots here who have to do EXACTLY what they're told NOT to?

Newsflash- depending on local laws, you can get in serious trouble for threatening to kill ANYBODY. I don't think anyone would be crying "freedom of speech" and such if someone was saying they were going to kill THEM on the internet. Don't act like your fucking rights are being infringed upon because you CAN'T TYPE OUT A DEATH THREAT ON THE INTERNET. God DAMN.

Having said that, George W. Bush sucks donkey dicks in hell. He's about as good a president as a used Trojan loaded with fermented AIDS sperm. That is my learned and considered opinion.

I know it's been said, but freedom of speech never exists on a privately owned service.

Also, Freedom of speech only goes so far, how can you be stupid or dense enough to believe that you can do what you want with no consequences. Sure there are things you can do, but threatening one of the highest figures in the world, you must be fucking stupid.

Also Wade, i agree with you for once, isn't that remarkable.

No not really.

By the way, does the person reporting the threats to the Secret Service have any responsibility whatsoever in this? If they make a report, when they obviously know the person who made the thread was joking, aren't they basically guilty of making a false alarm? I know it's a fine line though; of course the reporter can always claim they thought the threat was serious and the Secret Service will have a hard time telling if they're lying or not.

The worst thing that could happen, is that this becomes some insane internet fad, where everyone jokingly reports people when they see them make "threats" against the president on any message board, IM convo or chat room. If the Secret Service did a major investigation on each case, their resources would be wasted horribly, and they could miss potentially serious and dangerous threats.

At 5/24/07 01:09 PM, TropicalPenquin wrote:

At 5/24/07 01:06 PM, Truth wrote: the good part is, the Secret Service is always gonna have a hard time trying to find you.

NG>IP address>House address

You can do it your self with the right tools/knowledge and maybe a bit of money. It's not to hard.

i could be in a library right now

At 5/24/07 01:10 PM, MissAllanPoe wrote:

At 5/24/07 01:06 PM, Twist-Chao06 wrote: ... i didnt mean things like that, i ment little jokes. you cant get told of for that, because they are harmless. newgrounds is a communtity, youve got to admit they are taking the subject a bit to far.

They are taking necessary precautions. They should take any threat as serious as the next one.

Yes the should, But this is undermined when you have the typical case where a woman claims she is being stalked, tell her friends family and the police and the police say they will check it out. They do nothing, while the SS are spending "valuble time" sifting through a 12 year olds pc loaded with sfotcore porn and immature MS paint penises drawn on bedn and Wade, Mean while the poor girl who was claiming that she was being stalked is getting stabbed to death in some random back alley.

They should put more money into protection of the public and spend less time investigating protecting the oh so important President.

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

"...deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.", this backs up my argument.

Source

Agreed. Now im Completly Terrified of getting banned, im getting out of this topic. Bye.

At 5/24/07 01:21 PM, AapoJoki wrote: By the way, does the person reporting the threats to the Secret Service have any responsibility whatsoever in this? If they make a report, when they obviously know the person who made the thread was joking, aren't they basically guilty of making a false alarm? I know it's a fine line though; of course the reporter can always claim they thought the threat was serious and the Secret Service will have a hard time telling if they're lying or not.

No, the SS has a obligation to investigate ALL threats towards the president. Joking or not, they are all serious to them .

At 5/24/07 12:50 PM, WadeFulp wrote:

At 5/24/07 12:45 PM, TropicalPenquin wrote: Man... What happened to free speech. Can they get me? I live in england.

Considering the UK is an ally to the US,

Our governments are allies, but as for the public in both countries, we hate each other. America can fuck off nosing around in our country as far as im concerned.

At 5/24/07 01:21 PM, AapoJoki wrote: The worst thing that could happen, is that this becomes some insane internet fad, where everyone jokingly reports people when they see them make "threats" against the president on any message board, IM convo or chat room. If the Secret Service did a major investigation on each case, their resources would be wasted horribly, and they could miss potentially serious and dangerous threats.

That would be over with before it started. Ever call in a fake fire alarm or something similar? This would be much, much worse.

Why dont you post this as news, more people will notice it. (Wont need to be bumped)

Damned! The bbs ain't safe no more if everyone can read it!

lmao the star syndicate is way ahead of ya on this one wade. months ago, vozz got a visit from the secret service because an SS member posing as him made threats towards the president. he didnt even DO anything, and the secret service still confiscated his computer. a month later, 2 SS members got visits from the FBI for fake bomb threats, and their computers were taken as well.
the PATRIOT act has given the government the power to monitor absolutely EVERYTHING we do on the internet. even when we're clearly fucking around, such as simply saying the words "kill president," they still send some poor sap recruit out to investigate. i think its absolutely hysterical, personally.

i'd be willing to bet there's some poor entry-level special agent reading this very topic right now, looking for terrorist threats. hey agent hows it goin! how does it feel to be hunting down dangerous teenagers in the suburbs? all because of that bullshit PATRIOT act which gave you more power than you know what to do with. this is really what you signed up for after you graduated the FBI academy, huh... arresting kids for joke posts on the internet!! while the real terrorists are coming up with some other plan of attack that you cant possibly stop no matter how much you spy on the american public! yeh

At 5/24/07 01:21 PM, Truth wrote:

At 5/24/07 01:09 PM, TropicalPenquin wrote:

At 5/24/07 01:06 PM, Truth wrote: the good part is, the Secret Service is always gonna have a hard time trying to find you.

NG>IP address>House address

You can do it your self with the right tools/knowledge and maybe a bit of money. It's not to hard.

i could be in a library right now

Have you covered all your tracks? Do you always sign on to newgrounds from a library? If so is it at the same time or around the same time? Have you ever signed on from home? Are you sure newgrounds doesn't store every IP address you've signed on from? What about the email you registered with? Do you use that email on other sites? In all your posts have you ever made any mention to what school you go to or your home town? Remember, they have time and our money to work with. There is so much data they'd have more than enough to find you.

At 5/24/07 01:37 PM, Eatsalottagrass wrote: Why dont you post this as news, more people will notice it. (Wont need to be bumped)

It's best to be able to bump it for the future.

This thread is epic.