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At 4/24/08 11:08 AM, JackPhantasm wrote: God can be described in one word: Source.

In this simplest of definitions, it works for both science and religion. There are no other qualities. It is just the start point. The singularity, the big bang.

You could call it god or you could call it the big bang. In my eyes it's the same thing.

Which would imply that its just a placeholder of a question that people cannot answer. A question that shouldn't be answered. In my eyes, its still rather abusive to threat people with going to hell, and give people hope based on a fictional story.

At 4/24/08 11:28 AM, JackPhantasm wrote: 100% non-belief in any possibility is 100% short sighted.

Religion is for emotional thinkers.

I really couldn't care less what people think about religion, as long as they keep it to theirselves and don't harras people with it. Religion never did any good, only conflict between other emotional thinkers. But in the end, everyone has their own opinions about matters. Everyone gets their own choice whether to believe or not to. Judging people by their beliefs is wrong, aslong as they keep it to theirselves.

What is mutch better, is your own belief, your own hope. Not the standard things, the standard god that everyone follows because its mainstream. Setting your own goals, your own hopes, and your own beliefs may bring greater inner peace than a simple community following by life standards based on ideals of the writers in the past.

This discussion is pointless.

Man why don't we have a R-Bot that spews out religious based topics every two hours or so.

Yiffy. I hate religion. Look at my post again. It clearly dictates that those who belief in religion are short sighted as well.

More Cyber-Crusades on the BBS? Dear lord why can't people just respect other people's beliefs? Why do people make it their mission to persuade people so immensely to have the same mentality as they do?

WHY NEWGROUNDS, WHY!?

At 4/24/08 11:47 AM, Omega-Epsilon wrote: More Cyber-Crusades on the BBS? Dear lord why can't people just respect other people's beliefs? Why do people make it their mission to persuade people so immensely to have the same mentality as they do?

WHY NEWGROUNDS, WHY!?

I'm not trying to persuade anyone. How can we respect each others beliefs if we cannot respectfully discuss them with one another?

At 4/24/08 11:48 AM, JackPhantasm wrote: I'm not trying to persuade anyone. How can we respect each others beliefs if we cannot respectfully discuss them with one another?

Yeah I know, a difficult concept for this community to grasp...

Respectful discussion on Newgrounds?

At 5/22/07 08:03 PM, omfgItsZoidy wrote:

At 5/22/07 07:53 PM, qaz-qaz wrote:

At 5/22/07 07:48 PM, omfgItsZoidy wrote:

False.

You apperently have yet to read "The Law of Conservation of Matter". To shorten it for easier reading: Matter cannot be created or destroyed.

I've read it, and it's not true. Matter can be created, It's been done. scientist collided beams of light and it created an electron and a positron.

Light is a form of matter. Light is made up of photons, so it is not technically making any matter. Also, they can't collide beams of light, they cause particles that make up light, photons, to collide in a particle accelerator.

Ok, first of all, debating religion on the internet is extremelly pointless, but I feel I must correct your nonsense.

Ok, science has nothing to say about anything supernatural. Most atheists simply use science to come to the very rational conclusion that there are no gods. Is this any different than using science to come to the conclusion that there are no fairies? No difference whatsoever.

In fact, you don't even need science to come to that conclusion, you just need common sense. The same with the realization of atheism.

I laugh at your claims that science actually SUGGESTS that there is a god. I'm sorry, you have been brainwashed. Anyways, I am done here.

At 4/24/08 11:36 AM, JackPhantasm wrote:
non belief and no belief are the same thing. So. What. are you agreeing with me. What.

No. Learn the difference between =/= and =

hint, =/= means doesn't equal

Anyone who claims they know exactly how the universe works, either by religion or science, is a complete and utter moron. Or extremely faithful. But yes, aetheism is a religion unto itself, whose God is not a singular persona that interacts with His creations, but is instead the conceptual, indirectly interacting notion of Science.

The fact that science functions at all begets wondering of a design. What did it come from. Naturally formed design. Whether you call it god or not it's still amazing. I feel like a lot of atheists look at life as boring when they should love every second of that.

Of course this is only from the posts they make where they're trying to be sarcastic/funny. So it's probably not an accurate perspective to be judging from.

At 4/24/08 12:01 PM, JackPhantasm wrote: I feel like a lot of atheists look at life as boring when they should love every second of that.

Of course this is only from the posts they make where they're trying to be sarcastic/funny. So it's probably not an accurate perspective to be judging from.

No, I think you hit it on the head there. The aetheists I've known (and I've known plenty) who love life usually can be convinced that maybe there's something else behind the creation of everything, and science is only what we observe. It's the ones who are bored with life who cannot be swayed. They seem to think they know everything and it's not worth trying to figure things out anymore.

At 5/22/07 07:44 PM, fahrenheit wrote:

At 5/22/07 07:36 PM, AwfulAwful wrote: Science can prove anything...eventually.

science has yet to prove anything.

exactly.

You idiots are bigger idiots than religion, why?

Because science is how things happens. Its all a taxonomy of events and objects that cause other events and objects. It doesn't say why the rules of physics exist, or why the earth formed, it just says how. So in no way does Science contradict religion, because it only says how things were created, not by who and why.

Because science can't prove by who and why, it is generally accepted that there is no who and why, which is Ignorance and nonlogical.

At 4/24/08 12:11 PM, Phratt wrote:

At 5/22/07 07:44 PM, fahrenheit wrote:

At 5/22/07 07:36 PM, AwfulAwful wrote: Science can prove anything...eventually.

science has yet to prove anything.

exactly.

You idiots are bigger idiots than religion, why?

Because science is how things happens. Its all a taxonomy of events and objects that cause other events and objects. It doesn't say why the rules of physics exist, or why the earth formed, it just says how. So in no way does Science contradict religion, because it only says how things were created, not by who and why.

Because science can't prove by who and why, it is generally accepted that there is no who and why, which is Ignorance and nonlogical.

If it wasn't for science, you wouldn't be living in a luxury house using a computer connected to the internet. What good has religion ever done? Manipulate people, give them false hope, push your own ideals onto people, threaten with things such as hell, war between religions.

While i respect people and their religions, I just find it redicilous how litteraly some people take religion as. Its supposed to be a guidence, not a way of life.

At 4/24/08 12:20 PM, Yiffy wrote:

At 4/24/08 12:11 PM, Phratt wrote:

At 5/22/07 07:44 PM, fahrenheit wrote:

At 5/22/07 07:36 PM, AwfulAwful wrote: Science can prove anything...eventually.

science has yet to prove anything.

exactly.

You idiots are bigger idiots than religion, why?

Because science is how things happens. Its all a taxonomy of events and objects that cause other events and objects. It doesn't say why the rules of physics exist, or why the earth formed, it just says how. So in no way does Science contradict religion, because it only says how things were created, not by who and why.

Because science can't prove by who and why, it is generally accepted that there is no who and why, which is Ignorance and nonlogical.

If it wasn't for science, you wouldn't be living in a luxury house using a computer connected to the internet. What good has religion ever done? Manipulate people, give them false hope, push your own ideals onto people, threaten with things such as hell, war between religions.

While i respect people and their religions, I just find it redicilous how litteraly some people take religion as. Its supposed to be a guidence, not a way of life.

Religion is a way of life, the only reason there is distruction is because people are blasphemous and don't listen to it. Think about it, If everyone followed the 10 Commandments, alot of the controversal and little problems we have today wouldn't exist. Religion is made to make utopias but its complaining asses like you that make it complex and therefore ruin its chances of creating perfect society.

Science, although it has given us all these luxurious items, isn't a way of life in any aspect. It only tells us how things work so we can create things, but its not to be used as a fact of life. People treat science as if its the rules of reality. When its not, it only tells of how reality works, any of these "rules" can be broken, and it'll only erupt a new rule to account it. Science is always failing and selfcorrecting, its not always right, thats why it exists, to account the strange ways reality works.

At 5/22/07 07:36 PM, Anko wrote: Atheism is not based of science you retard.

Your right, it's based off of ignorance.

Instant fail within the first few lines.

You don't have to prove that something doesn't exist. If you can't prove something does exist/did happen/person did something then we assume that it doesn't exist/didn't happen/person didn't do something.

We base our legal system on this. Weird how this idea is disregarded by some people when it comes to religion.

At 5/22/07 07:35 PM, Cuppa-LettuceNog wrote: a really long post about how atheism is flawed because it takes lack of evidence of a God as proof that there isn't one.

That's what agnosticism is for. No evidence one way or the other means the answer is inherently unknowable until evidence surfaces in favor of either argument. In the meantime, you form a hypothesis and seek answers. THAT'S scientific method.

Posted at: 5/22/07 07:35 PM

Good job, guys.

At 8/17/09 06:17 PM, Dawnslayer wrote:

At 5/22/07 07:35 PM, Cuppa-LettuceNog wrote: a really long post about how atheism is flawed because it takes lack of evidence of a God as proof that there isn't one.

That's what agnosticism is for. No evidence one way or the other means the answer is inherently unknowable until evidence surfaces in favor of either argument. In the meantime, you form a hypothesis and seek answers. THAT'S scientific method.

Old topic, but here's a thing: agnosticism is a subset of atheism.

Atheism, at least as the term is used today by many atheists (I don't give a fuck about what you manage to find in an online dictionary, I'm talking about what it means in actual use, which is the real meaning of a word anyway), just means that you do not believe in the existence of God. This is significantly different from believing that God does not exist.

Is the OP an idiot?

Anyways... I'm going to go with this.

At 5/27/07 08:36 AM, Kaabi wrote: I'm not reading that, but atheism is more scientific than religion you idiot. Atheism is backed by a lot of science, as in, people don't believe in God because we realized he doesn't need to be there. Everything that has happened that brought us here is natural.

This is what I don't understand about you Atheists... if you are so sure that God does not exist, why are you always starting debates about it and/or trying to convince other people that God does not exist? If God did not exist, are you helping the world by convincing other people that there is no God? The answer is no.

If you were 100% sure that there is no God, you would not need to try to convince other people because you would be thinking something along the lines of: [i]I know what is true and I do not need to get support from other people because I know what I believe is true.[/i]

Atheists who start debates are either:

1. Looking for an answer and are not happy with their beliefs.
2. Are trying to find support to back up their beliefs which they are not fully sure of.
3. Feel they are helping the world by expressing what they believe to be the truth.

Now, what good are you doing by convincing people there is no God? In fact, many religions forbid acts which degrade society and therefore, many religious people who follow their religion well will bring good to this world instead of evil. If you convinced religious people that their is no God, they would most probably become more evil than good because there would be less motivation to be good. Many religions such as Traditional Catholicism promote everything which is good for society and puts down everything that is bad for society. Whether or not the individual follows the laws of their religion well decides if they are a good member of society or not.

What is a good reason for promoting Atheism and convincing people there is no God? Listed are the differences between an Atheist and a good Traditional Catholic:

A good Catholic who follows his religion as he should:

1. Strives for perfection by practicing virtues and trying to conquer his faults.
2. Is charitable to anyone in many ways.
3. Does not bring downfall on society by scandal.
4. Does not hate his enemies but prays for them.

The list goes on. All of these good works are inspired by the ultimate motivation which is knowing that what good and bad they do in this life will affect their eternity in the next life.

Atheists:

1. Have no motivation to follow God's laws or natural law because they believe they will not be punished or rewarded after they die.
2. Do not have ultimate motivation to strive for perfection by practicing virtues and trying to conquer faults.
3. Do not have ultimate motivation to be charitable.
4. Do bring downfall on society by scandal by either their evil works against God's law or by convincing ignorant people that could become religious and be a good member of society.
5. Have no motivation to not seek vengeance on their enemies except fear from the government law if they seek a vendetta.

The list goes on.

Atheists, when you convince other people that there is no God, you are bringing down society rather than raising it. Being a good religious person in many religions makes the individual a good member of society. If you Atheists believe there is no God and no after life, why are you making life worse for everyone on this planet and yourself by corrupting everyone else?

Whether or not God exists, when you convince someone that there is no God, you give that individual a lesser chance of becoming a good member of society but increase the chance of the individual becoming a member who corrupts society.

We have established that convincing the world that there is no God would be the downfall of society so therefore, there are only two other reason why Atheists would try to start debates:

1. They are looking for an answer and are not happy with their current beliefs.
2. They are trying to find support to back up their beliefs which they are not fully sure of.

Many Atheists will say to me statements such as, [i]"Of course I believe there is no God. That's why I start debates and conversations!"[/i]

Well, I hate to break this to you, but people who start debates are either searching for an answer or are trying to convince people. And because we have already established the fact that convincing people that there is no God will bring the downfall of society, you are corrupting society and making life worse for yourself and everyone around you every time you start one of your debates.

Atheists who are starting debates and are trying to convince the world there is no God are either bringing the downfall of society, are searching for an answer or are looking for support to back up their beliefs which they are not certain of.

I have to hand it to you Atheists though, you all have a lot of faith. You all have a lot more faith than I, a Traditional Roman Catholic. It takes a lot of faith to live your life believing there is no God and that when you die there will be no eternal after-life for you...

At 8/17/09 06:50 PM, ShortMonkey wrote: This is what I don't understand about you Atheists... if you are so sure that God does not exist,

Wrong, idiot. VERY few atheists claim to be sure that God doesn't exist. This is like arguing for gun control by saying "What do you guys find so great about shooting babies in the face?" Sure, the argument may be internally consistent, but it has absolutely nothing to do with reality.

At 8/17/09 07:01 PM, Elfer wrote:

At 8/17/09 06:50 PM, ShortMonkey wrote: This is what I don't understand about you Atheists... if you are so sure that God does not exist,

Wrong, idiot. VERY few atheists claim to be sure that God doesn't exist.

Then they are Agnostic, not Atheist.

Ahem.

At 8/17/09 07:05 PM, ShortMonkey wrote:

At 8/17/09 07:01 PM, Elfer wrote:

At 8/17/09 06:50 PM, ShortMonkey wrote: This is what I don't understand about you Atheists... if you are so sure that God does not exist,

Wrong, idiot. VERY few atheists claim to be sure that God doesn't exist.

Then they are Agnostic, not Atheist.

You're saying atheists cling to science like religion and when an atheist admits there is no way of knowing for sure that god doesn't exist you call them agnostic, even though scientifically there is no way to be sure god doesn't exist.

In the view your pushing there's no room to be an atheist so you are really arguing against your own idea of what an agnostic is while re-branding it as atheism.

At 8/17/09 07:19 PM, Snake-Arsenic wrote: You're saying atheists cling to science like religion and when an atheist admits there is no way of knowing for sure that god doesn't exist you call them agnostic, even though scientifically there is no way to be sure god doesn't exist.

You're quite the ignorant one, aren't you? Being Agnostic means you're not sure whether or not a god(s) exist. Atheism (which the OP spelled wrong, btw) is the belief that there is no god. If you know an Atheist who clings to science like a religion, then good for you. The rest of us Atheists who don't need a crutch use science as a meas to explain. Like, "Here, I know this exists/hppens because .... explains it/makes it hapen, so ... made it happen/created it, not god." If you honestly think Atheists use science like a religion you deserve to be hanged, drawn and quartered for being so ignorant. In any case or such extreme ignorance, really.

In the view your pushing there's no room to be an atheist so you are really arguing against your own idea of what an agnostic is while re-branding it as atheism.

Agnostic - Not sure and needs proof/doesn't care
Atheist - Doesn't believe
Not hard to comprehend, where's the issue?

What's with all this atheism argument going on nowadays? Is it like atheism has just been founded?

Arguments over religion should stop, seriously, because everybody knows that nobody's going to change their religion because of some internet argument, or any kind of argument for that matter. Everybody believes what they believe in, so why can't everybody just believe in what they want and knock it off?

I know atheists are trying to convince everyone to turn into one of them because "the civilization will never advance with religious people". Well, unless the person they are trying to persuade is seriously retarded, they will never change their religion or become atheists, because they are born with their beliefs, and they will die with them.

No offense towards atheists and all religious people intended in this post, I'm muslim and damn proud, and I respect all people, religious or not. Religion arguments should stop, because they are useless since nobody would convert their religion, and they create a lot of tension, which might even destroy relationships, they are that strong. Religion arguments should be stopped and avoided, seriously.

"Is atheism right?", "Is judaism true?", religions/atheism aren't right or wrong, good or bad, because everybody has it's own opinions on them, therefore the truth or falseness of religion aren't facts, they are just opinions. No religion or atheism will be true until every single person on the face of earth believe in the same thing. Atheism is not bulshit, but neither is religion. I hope I made myself clear enough.

At 8/17/09 07:06 PM, NeonFlame126 wrote: Ahem.

Ahem. You see how everything you use on us can be used against you.

I'm glad I clicked this topic now because it made me think a bit more about how up-your-own-arse some people can be. I guess that includes myself in a way, too.

Though right now my thoughts on things like that have been warped by lots of philosophical thinking that hurts your brain.