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Ross

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Posted at: 5/21/07 12:47 PM

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In the previous thread, we saw a diverse range of opinions concerning V-Tech Rampage. Here are some of the popular views expressed:

-- This is an outrage, remove it.
-- The author's disturbed, what if it was his brother/sister/friend who was killed?
-- The author's just trying to get attention, and sadly, here we are giving it to him.
-- I would say to keep it, but since the author tried to make money off it, he's a dick and it should be removed.
-- Keep it on the site, it may be in poor taste but it's a freedom of speech issue.
-- Keep it on the site, there are far more offensive things already on Newgrounds.
-- What's the big deal about?

I think this is a good time to reflect on what Newgrounds is all about. When Tom first started the site many years ago, it was a place for his personal creations, some of which were too "edgy" for the mainstream (such as Assassin, Club A Seal, and Telebubby Fun Land). Many of his productions pushed (and occasionally pole vaulted over) the limits of "good taste", but he published them nevertheless, and they found an audience. The number of NG visitors grew rapidly and soon other artists started sending Tom their Flash creations for him to post. It turned out that a lot of people didn't really have an outlet for their not-fit-for-the-mainstream creativity - and Newgrounds evolved from a showcase for Tom's work into a showcase for everyone's work, free of the usual moral judgement and censorship.

Newgrounds found its niche and flourished, and today, we have one of the most unique communities on the Internet. We're a place where you can find polished, professional-quality animations and games, as well as creations that are more coarse, more personal, more "anything goes" - and everybody's welcome. While we do have some loose content guidelines, the site is still a haven for artists that might not have anyplace else to gain exposure for their work.

Speaking only for myself, I think V-Tech Rampage is in poor taste. In terms of gameplay, it's decent, but tying it to this recent tragedy is a bad idea, in my opinion.

Still, it's not any one person's job to judge the Flash that people submit to The Portal. That's left up to the Newgrounds community at large, which judges submissions with its votes. As the saying goes, I may disagree with what PiGPEN's doing, but I'll forever defend his right to do it. Telling him that his game should not be allowed on Newgrounds goes against the principles upon which this site was founded. You're entitled to form any opinion you like about him and his work, but once we take away his right to put it here on NG, we lose track of what makes Newgrounds great.

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Posted at: 5/21/07 12:49 PM

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Haha self whoring much? :P


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Abyssus

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Posted at: 5/21/07 12:49 PM

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So, what your saying is controversial movies, violence and gore makes Ng great? Bloody true.


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Nev

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Posted at: 5/21/07 12:51 PM

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I make Newgrounds great.

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Nightmaric

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Posted at: 5/21/07 12:51 PM

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And you STILL haven't refferenced to the fact that his donation scam was to prove noone would attempt to do something when presented the chance.

The cake is a spy... hahaha no

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Posted at: 5/21/07 12:52 PM

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I concur.

I think that the game should be left on for that reason, although it is kinda cold hearted...

I don't wanna make a new sig. :\


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DarkZrobe

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Posted at: 5/21/07 12:52 PM

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I agree for the whole freedom of speech thing, I just dont like how he wants money to take it down (as stated above).

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Posted at: 5/21/07 12:54 PM

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At 5/21/07 12:51 PM, Nev wrote: I make Newgrounds great.

This is true.

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Posted at: 5/21/07 12:56 PM

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At 5/21/07 12:47 PM, Ross wrote: While we do have some loose content guidelines, the site is still a haven for artists that might not have anyplace else to gain exposure for their work.

Shame that isn't true for all aspects of the sites.

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A shitty bedroom flash game really doesen't need this much attention. I think people care more about the redesign...

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Posted at: 5/21/07 12:57 PM

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i declear ross's last topic obsolete.

"Everyone has 200,000 bad drawings in them, the sooner you get them out the better."
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Mr-Anderson The X-Men kidnap some guy's dad.

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Posted at: 5/21/07 12:58 PM

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There you go. Is this the end of the whole affair now?

I wouldn't have made such a game (at least, I wouldn't have submitted it), but it is his right to do so.

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Newgrounds is too bad ass for this to even matter.
Now, let's all to listen to some Pantera.


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Shauna

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Well, it seems to have caused alot more e-drama then I had predicted over the first few days of it's release. I still feel that it shouldn't let anyone bug them, after all, 90 percent of people here on the site have a cruel and obscure sense of humour. It really surprises me that so many people would throw a hissy fit over some game that I'm sure others have made exactly like, before this dude...just submitted to a different, less popular site. Just hasn't been recognized over the internet as much. Guess it shows how popular Newgrounds is really getting, eh?


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BlackmarketKraig

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Posted at: 5/21/07 01:00 PM

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Eloquently put, those are my feelings exactly. Newgrounds is about people who want to express themselves in a creative manner, no matter what the larger populous thinks. Everything, by Everyone.

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Three cheers for newgrounds !

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Dusty-Gorilla

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Posted at: 5/21/07 01:03 PM

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Pfft ok so yeah making money off of it is pretty bad but people need to realize that it's just a game and if you don't like it, don't play it.


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Posted at: 5/21/07 01:04 PM

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It's just a game, Nothing to fight about it. Good move letting it stay, One of the things that make newgrounds great.

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Posted at: 5/21/07 01:04 PM

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Im glad some people still realise what this site was truly about. Ignorant people calling eachother "gay gtfo the site" when the creator himself made teletubbies smoking pot etc.

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Exactly >:C This is the sort of stuff that made Newgrounds what it is >:C


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Posted at: 5/21/07 01:07 PM

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Poor taste? It's more than that, it's downright despicable. But what would NG be without that?

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I have to agree. I think the controversy is one of the reasons why Newgrounds is great. Without the controversy, Newgrounds would be a far less interesting place. You are right about everyone being entitled to their own opinions with their flashes. That's another reason why Newgrounds is great. I can submit my flashes and have opinions on certain things and not get punished for them (as long as I don't go overboard, that is). :D

At 5/21/07 12:51 PM, Nev wrote: I make Newgrounds great.

LIAR!


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Yay! I love the game :P

I make flashes because I can.
PM me for anything flash or web related or visit my blog here on NG!
Also, here's my DICK

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Posted at: 5/21/07 01:12 PM

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At 5/21/07 01:08 PM, Bahamut wrote: I have to agree. I think the controversy is one of the reasons why Newgrounds is great. Without the controversy, Newgrounds would be a far less interesting place. You are right about everyone being entitled to their own opinions with their flashes. That's another reason why Newgrounds is great. I can submit my flashes and have opinions on certain things and not get punished for them (as long as I don't go overboard, that is). :D

Its the thing that makes Newgrounds entertaining, the thing that makes flash good, the thing that makes the users fun to talk to, the thing that puts Goatse on the internet...Wait...


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Posted at: 5/21/07 01:16 PM

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For me newgrounds will always be about two things, killing and boobies. I remember when a friend of days gone by first showed me newgrounds, this was back in about 1999. I remember us both playing the britanny spears dress up game, taking of her bra, closing it before his mum walked by and giggling like little girls. I mean, the thought of a site full of games that you didn't have to pay for, it hadn't been done before, where else could you kill eminen or bear in the big blue house? Assasin was and still is great as well as all of the old skool origional content that made the site like tellytubby funland and pico's school. What makes newgrounds great is offending in every way but doing it smartly rather than downright idiotic like 4chan. What makes the site even better is that it can take on great animations that don't need cock jokes and help them become colossaly popular like the brackenwood series or the real legend. The other great thing is that there can be rivally and evolution, people don't have to stand there and take whatever shit they get dished out, stuff that might have been front page a few years ago goes un noticed such as videogame parodies as the site is realising the meaning of origionallity more. The greatest thing about newgrounds is that no matter how many dumbass 12 year old fanboys or 20 year old fuckwits argue some ridiculous point or give something undeserved credit you can be content in knowing you are a part of something and for you this isn't just another games site or forum, its something unique that they can't take away and you'll always know they're wrong in your domain.

NEWGROUNDS RAHHH!!!!

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Shauna

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Posted at: 5/21/07 01:16 PM

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At 5/21/07 01:13 PM, Fora wrote: Newgrounds is just lucky.
And sorry Ross, but you are back and you are making 2 topics that don't belong in the ng news.

How the hell doesn't this belong in the NG news?


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jenova-absolute

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Posted at: 5/21/07 01:19 PM

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At 5/21/07 01:13 PM, Fora wrote: Newgrounds is just lucky.
And sorry Ross, but you are back and you are making 2 topics that don't belong in the ng news.

Who the fuck are you?

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Posted at: 5/21/07 01:24 PM

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I'll raise my glass to that, Ross.


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Posted at: 5/21/07 01:25 PM

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keep it. if u dont like it dont play it! if you take it off, then you would have to take everything else off newgrounds. its not like it was a crappy game. it was really good. but the object of the game is wrong, doesnt mean it should be taken off newgrounds.

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Posted at: 5/21/07 01:27 PM

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At 5/21/07 01:25 PM, ianianian1111 wrote: keep it. if u dont like it dont play it! if you take it off, then you would have to take everything else off newgrounds. its not like it was a crappy game. it was really good. but the object of the game is wrong, doesnt mean it should be taken off newgrounds.

This isn't about v-tech you dumb-ass


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