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WASHINGTON - Blacks have been charged higher auto loan rates than other auto buyers, federal research says. But the gap in loan rates could narrow, and possibly disappear, as the result of recently concluded lawsuits.
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Blacks paid a typical auto loan rate of 7 percent for new cars, compared with a rate of 5 percent for whites in 2004, according to a consumer organization's analysis of the
Federal Reserve Survey of Consumer Finances. That was the most recent survey available.

And blacks were more likely than auto buyers in general to have auto loan rates higher than 15 percent. For used car loans, 27 percent of blacks who buy cars were charged interest rates of 15 percent or more. Blacks were three times as likely as whites — 27 percent to 9 percent — to have auto loan rates at least that high, according to the report released Monday.

Hispanics were paying a typical rate of 5.5 percent for new car loans, while 19 percent of Hispanics had loans for used cars over 15 percent, the analysis found.

Lenders' suggested quote rates are based largely on the buyer's credit history, but auto dealers often raise the rate higher than that risk-related rate without discussing the rate with the customer, consumer advocates said. And they question the causes of those rate differences.

"It's hard to believe that any differences in creditworthiness explain all of these rate gaps," said Stephen Brobeck, executive director of the Consumer Federation of America. "They size you up, the car salesmen and finance and interest guys. They must think African-Americans are more vulnerable to a markup."

But a series of legal actions against auto finance firms seeking fair treatment for minorities could help solve that problem.

"We had 11 lawsuits, the last of the cases settled last month," said Stuart Rossman of the National Consumer Law Center. "We reached a settlement with each of the finance firms. Our cases involved discrimination. We believe the terms of the settlements will eliminate discrimination."

The first of the lawsuits was filed in 1998 in Nashville, Tenn., against General Motors Acceptance Corporation and was settled in 2004. The last settlement became final in April.

The effects of those legal actions may not be known for some time, however.

The National Auto Dealers Association questioned what accounts for the rate differences, but encouraged auto buyers to do their homework before going to buy a car.

"The question that still is unanswered is why," said David Hyatt, a spokesman for the dealer's association. "People should do their homework and shop around. It speeds up the transaction, makes for a smoother transaction and is more likely to result in a satisfied buyer."

Hyatt said an organization supported by the auto dealers, Americans Well Informed on Automobile Retailing Economics (AWARE), offers tips to potential car buyers.

Chris Stinebert, president and chief executive of the American Financial Services Association, said his group is interested in educating consumers.

"AFSA and its members believe there is no place for discrimination in the vehicle financing system," he said.

The lawsuit settlements against auto finance companies call for caps on dealer markups, opportunities for blacks and Hispanics to get loans with no markups within the next few years, more information about interest rate terms and consumer education for minorities.

"The lower markup caps have leveled the playing field," Rossman said.

Consumer advocates say prospective auto buyers should call their bank or credit union for a rate quote to expect on an auto loan. That could protect them from unfair markups.

Other ways to hold down costs.

_Make all loan payments on time.

_Buy a used car, or a less expensive new car.

_Take out a loan over a shorter time.

The survey of 4,519, including 605 blacks, was analyzed by Catherine Montalto, a consumer specialist at Ohio State University for the Consumer Federation of America. The survey was conducted between May and December of 2004.

Study: Blacks pay higher auto loan rates


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That sucks, so much for the civil rights. Sometimes, I don't believe this country can treat everybody equally.


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At 5/20/07 08:34 PM, T-N-T wrote: That sucks, so much for the civil rights. Sometimes, I don't believe this country can treat everybody equally.

no I highly doubt that its all about credit history actually.


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I'm not excusing this morally but it's possible that they used racial profiling as to determine risk

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At 5/20/07 09:19 PM, stafffighter wrote: I'm not excusing this morally but it's possible that they used racial profiling as to determine risk

ts all based on credit history, why do they keep on forcing the past on us. I realize that slavery has hurt black poeople and held them back, however, today, the higher rates dont have anything to do with if they are black or white, it has to do with there credit

instead of bringing up race, can we please bring up why they continue to struggle. (aka gain good credit)


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At 5/20/07 09:19 PM, stafffighter wrote: I'm not excusing this morally but it's possible that they used racial profiling as to determine risk

That's statistically legitimate -- teenage drivers have to pay higher insurance costs, because, statistically, teens are more likely to crash.


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At 5/20/07 09:56 PM, HighlyIllogical wrote:
At 5/20/07 09:19 PM, stafffighter wrote: I'm not excusing this morally but it's possible that they used racial profiling as to determine risk
That's statistically legitimate -- teenage drivers have to pay higher insurance costs, because, statistically, teens are more likely to crash.

exactly its about statistics and other things.


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Fucking lawyers, trying to look like they are the good guys here. They just doing this to make cash from settlements and trials.

Any insurance is based off risk and assesment of this. Stasticis. What we are now saying is just because a minority is statistically more at risk, on average, to insure that it is wrong to pass that risk onto the consumers who themselves are more at risk.

Whatever. I still hate lawyers, fucking lawyers. I really do despise the majority of them who pull these kinds of things. They try to act like they are the protectors of the little guy yet walk off with multi million dollar settlements while the little guy has to pay for their garbage through more expensive products. The costs are passed onto us all while the fat cat lawyers are sitting on bank. FUCK lawyers.

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At 5/20/07 08:34 PM, T-N-T wrote: That sucks, so much for the civil rights. Sometimes, I don't believe this country can treat everybody equally.

It's not about civil rights. The reason blacks pay higher auto loans is because blacks are more likely to be in a socio-economic margin where this takes place.

It's not about skin color, it's about the fact that blacks tend to have less credit and be more of a risk for loans than most whites who statistically are more wealthy and are therefore statistically more likely to be reliable.

It's not racism, it's economics.

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At 5/21/07 01:33 AM, cellardoor6 wrote:
At 5/20/07 08:34 PM, T-N-T wrote: That sucks, so much for the civil rights. Sometimes, I don't believe this country can treat everybody equally.
It's not about civil rights. The reason blacks pay higher auto loans is because blacks are more likely to be in a socio-economic margin where this takes place.

exactl its like a teenager pay for his insurance for his car beecause teens are most likely to crash therefor they get a higher bill


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At 5/21/07 01:33 AM, cellardoor6 wrote:
It's not about civil rights. The reason blacks pay higher auto loans is because blacks are more likely to be in a socio-economic margin where this takes place.

Yeah. I'd be willing to bet that if you looked at bankruptcy statistics, you'd see some group differences. It's not like there's some intrinsic property of minorities that makes them less able to repay their loans, it's just that they're more likely to have a lower SES.

It's not about skin color, it's about the fact that blacks tend to have less credit and be more of a risk for loans than most whites who statistically are more wealthy and are therefore statistically more likely to be reliable.

It's not racism, it's economics.

Bingo. Does a gap persist after controlling for income, and other variables?

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Is it possible that the black customers, normally expecting to be discriminated against, thought, "Oh shit! I got approved for a loan despite my race!" While, in contrast, the white people haggled their rates better. Or, due to average socio-economic status, the white people had better credit and were given lower rates.
I'm not saying that I think a policy of charging blacks more wouldn't be wrong, but I think it is possible that there is another confounding variable here, and the information we're given is rather limited.

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The commercial for the place with accident forgiveness is a black man, maybe black people take accident forgiveness and that is why they have higher rates.


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Surprising? Not really, it probably has more to do with credit history than the color of their skin.

It's not racist, but from anecdotal evidence I know larger percentage of black people with poor credit and spending habits than white people.


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I wonder if those who did the study ever look into other reason, such as:
Base income: Those making 18k a year probably shouldn't be taking out a large loan, no matter WHAT your credit score is. Some lenders are more cautious than others.
Debt to income. having a lot of debt hinders your odds to get a loan.
Appearance. Appearance means a lot. if you walk into a dealership smelling like stale beer, hair matted, and you talk like you have the education of a 2 year old, you will probably raise a MASSIVE red flag in the dealer's head. Dress nicer, groom yourself, and learn some english. Present yourself like an intelligent person and the dealer will most likely treat you better.

I love how people like to drag race into everything, whether or not race has anything to do with it.

I'm sure there's a damned good reason behind this. of course...
blacks more likely to drop out of school Those that don't complete high school often don't do well in life.

Blacks more likely to land in prison. Those that drop out of high school are more likely to turn to crime for money.

It's all about the education. Many people don't take their education seriously, looking to more short term gains and pleasure, like getting laid, or being accepted among the "cool crowd" and forsake their educational obligations. People may say, "well the school is racist!!" Why are the schools racist? "Black people don't do well in them!"

As I sit here and scratch my head, I ponder the validity of the statement. "do blacks and whites not go to the same class rooms? When I was in school they did. I think the truth may be a LOT easier than people want to believe

I remember a few black kids at my school who did VERY well, making 4 of the top 10 students as well as one getting the #2 spot in the class. They took their education seriously and last time I saw one of them, she's doing far better than most of the whites coming out of the same class. She's now working towards becoming a doctor.

Was this an anomaly? the few black kids who are let through the system to hide the inherent racism? I doubt it. Most of the other kids in school had the IQ of a can of spam. They never studied, they were more concerned over other things. like, getting high or getting laid. Many of them fell into the cesspool we call rap culture. Wanna blame someone for the failings of the minority community? You used to be able to blame it on whitey. Now you can blame it on the spewers of filthy Pseudomusic (rap). Pseudomusic that tells you to get high, get laid, and basically be a dumber than pig shit "gangsta" with no future. Then people go out and imitate what these rappers say, and then, when they land in prison, they yell, "THIS IS RACISM!"

The saddest part is, there is no end in sight.

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At 1/28/09 04:59 AM, ReiperX wrote: but from anecdotal evidence...

"What my white friends have told me is..."

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This reminds me of my econometrics class this year. Even on the examinations we had to determine wether blacks are significantly denied bank loans on their skincolour solely.
The answer was positive.

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At 1/28/09 09:07 AM, AntiangelicAngel wrote:
At 1/28/09 04:59 AM, ReiperX wrote: but from anecdotal evidence...
"What my white friends have told me is..."

No it's more of what I've seen.

A larger portion of the black people than white people I know have made a lot of financial mistakes, from not taking their education seriously, many of them have crappy jobs, and spend a lot of their money on stupid things instead of things to better their lives. Now does this mean that it's actually racial? No.

I know some black people born in the US that are doing very well, much better of than myself. They took their education more seriously, and made better financial decisions than me. So they are likely paying much better interest rates than I am.

Now, even a bigger percentage of African people I know (people born in Africa that moved here) are doing about the same as me or better. So you can't really call it racial when you take two people of the same skin color, but totally different backgrounds and one generally does much better in the US than the other.

Now I do know some white people that have totally fucked up their lives, and probably couldn't even get a loan to begin with.

It's not society's fault that people fail, everyone has a chance. Some people may have better chances than others for various reasons but it is possible to do good for yourself whether you are black, white, or brown, it doesn't matter.


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At 5/20/07 09:45 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote: instead of bringing up race, can we please bring up why they continue to struggle. (aka gain good credit)

You're born poor and in a bad part of the country
You don't have enough money to move
There are no good schools around
You can't afford a good college
You don't have the requirements for a good job
You don't make enough money from your bad job
You can't pay your bills
Your credit plummets
You have children

Your children are born poor and in a bad part of the country...

That's basically the "poor cycle" that has entrapped many families. While it happens more to blacks than whites, it still happens to all races.

The simple way to break this cycle is to keep your head above water while in school and get good enough grades to qualify for a good college. Apply for student loans and once you're out of college, get a good job. Of course, there are plenty of other factors that make it not so easy.

And because people have bad credit, people pay more for their loans not just on their cars, but on their homes, etc.


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At 1/28/09 09:20 AM, RubberTrucky wrote: This reminds me of my econometrics class this year. Even on the examinations we had to determine wether blacks are significantly denied bank loans on their skincolour solely.
The answer was positive.

Does that mean that they were denied bank loans just based on their race?

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It's the same principal as teenagers having to pay more for car insurance. If you're part of a group that study has shown to be more car accident prone, you have to pay more. It's not just black people.


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Now I can see why crimes rise due to auto loan rates rising.


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At 1/28/09 03:49 PM, Achilles2 wrote:
You're born poor and in a bad part of the country
You don't have enough money to move
There are no good schools around
You can't afford a good college
You don't have the requirements for a good job
You don't make enough money from your bad job
You can't pay your bills
Your credit plummets
You have children

The poverty cycle is a lot more complicated than that. If it was just a matter of giving them money, then we could give them a lump sum of cash and there would be a positive feedback loop that would bring them into the middle class.

As America's experience with the "Great Society" programs show us - it's not that simple. But the success of programs like "Perry Preschool" show us that, with investment, there are significant steps that we can take to reduce poverty.

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At 5/21/07 12:58 AM, SolInvictus wrote: no white-supremacist alts? what the fuck is going on?

To be quite honest, this topic leaves little room for racist remarks without looking like an idiot. One would be better off sticking with statistical data than throwing out stuff like "blak piipel r stoopid!" or "darn n1663rs be sellin drugs n doin drive-by's in deir cars!". Hell, even I'm not surprised too much by the findings, the difference wasn't huge. Only a 2 percent diff from WHITE PEOPLE!!!!!

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Blacks have been charged higher auto loan rates than other auto buyers, federal research says. But the gap in loan rates could narrow, and possibly disappear, as the result of recently concluded lawsuits.
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where are people buying cars that they even see the financial lenders? every car I've ever financed I never met one person who dealt with that. It was always just faxing over the paperwork and getting the answer faxed back. My loans all came from banks that I never set foot in, not from the dealer. My current auto loan is from Wells Fargo who has nothing to do with selling cars and I never talked to a banker. I do however pay higher intrest because my credit sucks. if only I'd known that I could have saved money by letting the loan officer know I'm white. (sarcasm)

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At 5/13/09 05:01 AM, zendahl wrote: where are people buying cars that they even see the financial lenders? every car I've ever financed I never met one person who dealt with that. It was always just faxing over the paperwork and getting the answer faxed back. My loans all came from banks that I never set foot in, not from the dealer. My current auto loan is from Wells Fargo who has nothing to do with selling cars and I never talked to a banker. I do however pay higher intrest because my credit sucks. if only I'd known that I could have saved money by letting the loan officer know I'm white. (sarcasm)

I honestly don't think that a person's race actually pays a factor in the intrest rate. It is likely that the average black person may just have a worst credit rating than the average white person.


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