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At 5/20/07 01:17 AM, JudgeDredd wrote:

At 5/19/07 11:22 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: even if there isn't a conspiracy or ulterior motive, the efforts of the global warming movement will still result in a weakened America and a strengthened China.

movement = ulterior motive = conspiracy to destroy America = terrorists.

You're a moron. You obviously didn't actually read it, as you always don't. You just reply with nonsense.

Most people aren't willing participants in the conspiracy because they aren't aware of the actual facts, but their goals will still end in the same result, regardless of what their motives are. The people being the scenes are the ones who are intentionally looking forward to it, the mindless masses of uneducated people like you are just the oblivious worker bees.

why aren't these people addressing China

China IS addressing the problem. You just refuse to acknowlege it.

Prove it, oh yeah that's right you can't. All you're going to be able to do is repeat what Chinese officials have said to edify people like you. No matter what they say, they can't deny the truth.

China is doing jackshit to address it because they don't have to, they are immune due to their "developing nation" status. They are entirely going to negate any possible effort to reduce emissions by industrialized nations, because by our doing so, resources get freed up for China which they will consume in our stead. This will result in a gigantic economic benefit for China, and a gigantic wound to our economy.

So the whole movement behind global warming is flawed, because it all funnels into the Kyoto issue.

No. The whole movement behind the Kyoto Agreement is flawed because it wasn't called The New-York Agreement. Typical.

You're just getting dumber and dumber. Kyoto is flawed because it's entire goal will be defeated by it's policies.

Kyoto will only reduce emissions in developed countries while developing countries will grow exponentially. And since (if human contribution is actually to blame) emissions are to blame no matter where they are emitted, it won't affect global warming because it will now just take place in China.

Kyoto is flawed, it doesn't address the problem, it only moves the problem somewhere else.

To weaken [the US], to break our grip on the worlds energy, and to strengthen rivals and put them in a position to prevent our further superpower status.

The Energy Wars began with Iraq. It wasn't that America needed Iraq's oil, so much as America needed to stop Russia, India, China, Hetcetera countries, from getting their "evil hands" on any middle-east oil.

And you call me a conspiracy theorist. Good job trying to validate that, seeing as how everything you say is entirely laughable and you have zero facts to back up anything you say.

Global Warming is not an environmental phenomenon.

Global Warming is taking place, but there is zero proof humans are causing it, or that humans can prevent it by changing behavior. But since stopping global warming is the goal, and Kyoto won't achieve that goal due to immunity given to China, India, and Brazil, then what is the point of it, and why are people still pushing for it?

It's the onset of the coming Superpower Hot War. Totally.

Absolutely it is. It's just too bad people like you are too stupid and brainwashed to see it.

"Idiot", "Moron", "Dumbass", blah,blah,blah..

See, that's your "contribution" to this thread. You've made up your mind China is evil. So why even bother posting? The whole world is out to destroy the US of A by consuming YOUR fossil fuels. LOL.

At 5/20/07 05:22 AM, JudgeDredd wrote:

"Idiot", "Moron", "Dumbass", blah,blah,blah..

See, that's your "contribution" to this thread.

Nevermind the facts though. Good job at making at about me, and using me to help buffer your loss.

You've made up your mind China is evil.

Based on facts.

So why even bother posting?

To spread facts.

The whole world is out to destroy the US of A by consuming YOUR fossil fuels. LOL.

I never said that, you keep trying to simplify what I said in order to paint the picture that it is some unfounded conspiracy. When really, everything I said was well, facts.

You don't do to good with facts apparently.

Your argument goes like this;

1) China is increasing emissions, so why should the US stop increasing emissions.

2) Global Warming is not man-made anyway.

Why even talk about China's emissions, if you don't consider that a factor? Are you saying you are concerned about air quality, or some other environmental factor.

To spread facts.

HA! Your "FACTS" groups America (where emissions are climbing) with New Zealand and Japan, where emissions are falling!

Your selective facts, don't match reality. I thought that's why you guys keep saying global warming can't be man-made, bacause whatever facts are presented are selective.

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coz it is like everything debatable

people who beleive that global warming isn't happenning, should get an air conditioner and close they're eyes, kuz there the reason we might all die a frozen death. Global warming is a REAL crisis, those who say, it's okay, it will never happens, are gonna freeze to death, and they won't know why.

At 5/20/07 08:24 AM, JudgeDredd wrote: Your argument goes like this;

At least he makes a better one.

At 5/20/07 08:24 AM, JudgeDredd wrote: Your argument goes like this;

1) China is increasing emissions, so why should the US stop increasing emissions.

No, my point is China's increase in emissions will negate any decrease in emissions we undertake, thus making it pointless if, in fact, global warming is really caused by humans. Thus making the MOTIVES questionable, and motives are the point of debate in this thread, which I'm sure you unaware of because you never actually read, you just spout out unrelated nonsense.

2) Global Warming is not man-made anyway.

It hasn't been proven, and that ties into the motives. If in the mind of someone who DOES believe it IS happening and they think the US should reduce emissions, but China doesn't have to... what the hell is wrong with them? What is the real motive behind the movement, if their motives of saving the earth are genuine, why aren't they addressing China?

So my point is that the people in support of the global warming issue are either mindless and brainwashed, or they have malevolent goals.

While MY motive is to look out for my country because I don't believe global warming is a genuine concern, but those who DO believe it are proposing things that will damage my country and essentially hand over the world to a brutal communist police state.

Why even talk about China's emissions, if you don't consider that a factor? Are you saying you are concerned about air quality, or some other environmental factor.

Seriously....MOTIVES are the issue here. I'm addressing the MOTIVES of other people and MY motives why I distrust the global warming hysteria.

Use your brain for once! The efforts of the movement collect into the push for the Kyoto arrangements. These arrangements will damage the US and strengthen China. And since the GOAL of those arrangements are to reduce emissions, why is China immune from those emission cuts? It seems that the hivemind behind the movement has ulterior motives.

This doesn't, however, mean some people who are oblivious to the facts (you) who believe the global warming hysteria have those same motives.

To spread facts.

HA! Your "FACTS" groups America (where emissions are climbing) with New Zealand and Japan, where emissions are falling!

Yet the US growth rate isn't THAT much higher than in the EU.

And that's not even the point. If China is surpassing the US in emissions, and their rate of increase in emissions is higher than the US, why are they immune to Kyoto, which has a goal of reducing ALL emissions for the goal of saving the earth?

Why is China immune? Why does the US have to undertake a damaging policy if our efforts will be pointless due to China's increased emissions?

Of course, you keep ignoring this. Your ridiculous, childish semantics that you're displaying are just your defense mechanism.

At 5/20/07 07:42 PM, chocolate-penguin wrote: There's too many smart people in this thread :'(

And Judge has called Cellardoor a racist, yeah, this thread is already left versus right.

He accused China of economic warfare. That's east vs west. It's beyond hypocracy to accuse China of warfare, when America is engaged in actual bloody wars in foreign lands.

At 5/21/07 05:55 AM, JudgeDredd wrote:

At 5/20/07 07:42 PM, chocolate-penguin wrote: There's too many smart people in this thread :'(

And Judge has called Cellardoor a racist, yeah, this thread is already left versus right.

He accused China of economic warfare. That's east vs west. It's beyond hypocracy to accuse China of warfare, when America is engaged in actual bloody wars in foreign lands.

You just proved you have zero credibility in this issue. You're ignoring the facts so you can salvage your silly grudge. Yeah, you're done. You can't actually address the topic.

Am I the only person who actually sees the advantage of cutting down use of fossil fuels regardless of whether Global warming is true or not?

Fossil fuels are a finite resource. They will run out.

Do the research into alternative fules and try and cut down on fossil fuels now, so that when they do run out we don't have blind panic and a crisis and have the whole 'Omg civilisation is collapsing around us' thing, which depending on what theories you believe, is actually a possibility.