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About the donation thing.
I did it as a joke in response to all the angry people and to prove a point about them....

...as angry as they act screaming for it to be taken down, given the chance to actually do something about it they wont do shit but scream a bit more. And i was right....not a cent. The only thing adding the donation thing do is made them scream some more.....personally i see that as a job well done. (I could totally use some money though....lol).

also here's a prime example:
Angrier. Angry.

This game is crunk yo.

I say keep it. It's existence represents everything Newgrounds stands for.

No seriously though, it should stay.

Honestly I throughly enjoyed it. on another note, if you did not know a v-tech victim then you can complain. If you don't know anyone then you need to shut up! If you "know somebody that knew somebody that was a victim" then I am third generation DON'T GIVE A FUCK!
If all death is equally tragic or you believe that all men are created equal then I suggest you look at the 138 people that died the day after V-Tech... granted they were from another country but they were just as "innocent" as the people at V-Tech.
IN MY OPINION, I believe that they should have removed him from that atmosphere before things got back. Also if you pick on someone that much... you deserve to get shot. Sad but true.
he was messed up in the head. He had a mental disorder but that alone will not push someone to commit acts of murder. Don't pick on kids and you wont get shot is the moral here.
So instead of getting all twisted up about some game. Then I suggest that you cite your opinions somewhere people car.

God damn, I just saw this mentioned on PBS.

Let it be.

I laugh at those suggesting we should take it down because of the way the media might interpret us. That's not something we should ever care about. If it was, we'd have a giant bunny as a logo instead of a tank and a user-friendly slogan like 'Everything, by everyone."

...forget that last one.

At 5/15/07 10:20 PM, Rokuro wrote: You're my hero.
Secks?

Yes plz.

ALSO one more thing i forgot to mention in reguards to angry people and their all talk no substance...
...i havent been contacted by IM or email with a single death threat....they'll threaten my death to random people on some forum but wont take the time to threaten me personally....how lazy can you get?

No one is innocent. if i was shot by a person i picked on i would not be pissed one bit.
your supposed "innocent" people were liberal pricks.

look at the weapons Cho used... a Walther P22 and a Glock... these are PISTOLS and they are for single targets in real life. i he was randomly shooting people then he would have purchased AND modified the Automat Kalashnikov model of 1947 and then shot up V-tech. he knew what he was doing and he planned accordingly. he was a good marksman and a fast reloader. he trained and acted accordingly.
but if you twist my words you do not get the meaning. i said "if you dont know a victim then dont bitch" close to what i said.
now if my family was killed it violates three laws... it was not a school shooting.
they would not kill my family for my wrongdoings. and i KNOW the victims.

Dear PIGPEN,

Make a fucking sequel! Right now! In this sequel, he completes his plan by coming back to life and enslaves every human on the Earth in the process.

OR NOT :'(

Your fuckbuddy,
Some Guy

At 5/15/07 10:51 PM, sumarugatu wrote: if i was shot by a person i picked on i would not be pissed one bit.

If you are going to debate with someone about who is innocent, don't bring up that bullshit. Of course you'll be angry. You'll even be angry if they beat you up, or insult you back.

Also, having training with pistols doesn't mean that Cho had specific people to kill, he just shot whoever on target.

At 5/15/07 10:51 PM, sumarugatu wrote: stuff

With that logic, you are the one who needs to seek help. It's not too late. Don't take the path of Cho.

WAY TO GO, CHO!

i think it should stay. If we take this down cause its offensive, then whats next? its not like it was a shitty game either, he probly spent a long time on it. i think it deserves to stay!

if he is trained he shoots well, quickly. and precisely who he means to.
you cant disprove that he was picked on... but you can prove it.
in about a 2 months any care or subject matter displayed on this subject will be disregarded and tossed to the side.
where are all the people who were pissed about the Columbine game?
this "petition" is a cluster fu*ked disaster, and all it will amount to is maybe a news notice and then it will fade from existence.
World War II had 3million "innocent" casualties... yet there are still World War II games being made... are you protesting?
as soon as this is old news... who cares?

At 5/15/07 04:54 PM, Ross wrote: You might have heard about this game V-Tech Rampage. In it, you play the person responsible for the April 16, 2007 massacre at Virginia Tech, and it's your job to carry out the notorious events of that day. True to life, the game ends (and you "win") when you complete your mission and kill yourself.

This game's starting to get noticed around the Internet, and as you might imagine, most people don't think too highly of it. BlogCritics described it this way: "The game is riddled with embarrassing typographical errors, the ridiculous screens that follow failure are beyond pathetic, and the choice of music is sure to cause copyright issues. It’s a sad cry for attention, and a miserable use of a tragedy in an attempt to reach that goal." Kotaku.com says, "V-Tech Rampage doesn't bring anything more than shoddy, tacky game play to the table. Free speech and free expression are great. Just make sure you've got something to say."

Not content to stop there, the author, PiGPEN, has set up a page on his personal webpage stating that, if enough people deposit money in his Paypal account, he'll take the game down. Some of the people weighing in on this feel that we should pre-emptively take it down, especially in light of PiGPEN's attempt to profit from it.

Does this game have any merit, or is it strictly an exercise in poor taste? Are you offended by it? Did you enjoy playing it? Should it be taken down? What do you think?

In all honesty, the game isn't that great. The graphics are bad and the controls make things difficult. There are way to many ways to fail, too. The fact that he's trying to make money by saying he'll take down the game is horrible, especially since his work isn't that bad. I think it should be taken down because not only is it a bad game, He's using it as a ploy to make money.

At 5/15/07 10:47 PM, PiGPEN wrote:
...i havent been contacted by IM or email with a single death threat....they'll threaten my death to random people on some forum but wont take the time to threaten me personally....how lazy can you get?

I'm not threatening you. I just think you're an asshole, that the money thing wasen't a joke and you started your game with a bunch of talking screens. I hate those

At 5/15/07 11:07 PM, sumarugatu wrote:

Are you Cho's brother?

Yeah I don't think people should get to pissed off it's not actually going out of its way to make fun of the victims. All it does is retell the events much like the media does all the time. In game form however it seems to be much more offensive.

If you take it down
the terrorists win

I hope this shit doesn`t end badly for you PiGPEN.

Keep the game, Newgrounds is based on violent flash.

A triumph of free speech and creative freedom. May 12, 2007
Reviewed by: AstralProjection

Overall Score: 8
I put close to zero credence in reviews due to various spam groups propagating their agenda of awards manipulation and the vast morass that is ignorant, unquestioning public opinion (amongst other things), but I feel compelled to review this flash despite the almost inherent futility of the act.

First and foremost, I commend you on how you conveyed the events of the massacre. People playing the game had to follow a rough parallel of the final day of Cho Seung-Hui's life to advance the story. You included some popular conjecture of Cho's motives that has been circulating around the internet into this storyline, but that definitely fits the bill stylistically considering the various internet slang and memes referenced throughout.

While the pixel graphics were adequate the sound is where you really excelled. People familiar with the case will instantly recognize the song "Shine" by Collective Soul. Cho listened to this song compulsively and even inscribed the lyrics on a dorm wall. During the second phase of the game that includes a stealth-based theme, Mr. Brownstone is played. This is a reference to the name of a disturbing play written by Cho. At Norris Hall, where the main massacre takes place, there are many witty aphorisms you included that Cho seemingly thinks to himself during the massacre. Some of these include the extent of the damage he inflicts, the killing of false idols (which he mentions in his manifesto), and of course the Zerg "bullet" rush. A particularly interesting quip is intoned after killing Professor Liviu Librescu.

All in all, this was a decent game rife with entertaining witticisms that demonstrate this was all done in jest, with no real malicious intent. It was unique and for the most part, well thought out. Sure, some will infer that this was made in poor taste. Maybe a disclaimer asserting sympathies to anyone involved could have been handy to help people generally acquiesce, while simultaneously letting your true intent be conveyed. This deserves recognition, but I fear it will be the wrong type.

On the day this game was created (or so) I read a incredible review, and I thought that if this wasn't said again, than it wouldn't be said anywhere. Unless the original Author AstralProjection were to come to this post and say it again. Simply brilliant.

the game is poor taste, but is edgy and sick enough for the NG users to accept it through the portal, tom put it on the front page.

Tom made a strong statement by keeping club-a-seal and allowing 911 and columbine flashes to stay. the site is notorious for having objectionable material and poor taste flash. You have stick figures partaking in homosexual intercourse and hentai movies where some girl is raped by tentacle penis monsters!

We let it in, it passed our judgement, it is uploaded to the site until it is blammed from low scores or the author takes it off himself! To take it down now will only negate everything we are based on. you can take it off the front page if you wish, but do not delete it from the site!

If he feels that he wants to make money off of people hating his flash, though immoral (somethings telling me he doesn't much give a damn about morality regarding the flash...), he can, but i'm not going to say that his flash is no longer good enough.

keep it.

Not content to stop there, the author, PiGPEN, has set up a page on his personal webpage stating that, if enough people deposit money in his Paypal account, he'll take the game down.

It seams like it was only done so PiGPEN would get money and attention. Best to ignore the prick.

I'm just going to use the ostrich approach to this game. If I don't see it, it's not there. I'll probably forget about it in a day anyways.

Lol ass post time

I believe the v-tech rampage game should remain on newgrounds and the internet because its not mocking the tragedy at Virginia's Technology College. It was re living it not mocking it, mocking it would be saying "HAHA People at V-tech died". Having it as a game was a not a really great represent ion for this but its his judgment.

I am sure he feels horrible for what happened at the college, but I don't agree with the decision to take away his right to have a game on the internet. He really cant talk for himself because you all have quick judgment on this poor fellow for doing this. If he said something you would be quick to shoot it down. I cant say "I think he didnt mean this" because I have no idea maybe he does but I do not think that this game needs this much attention.

Thats my final statement, if you leave it alone we will all forget about it. He doesnt deserve our attention if he wants us to get so pissed off we pay for him to simply delete a movie off of newgrounds. Just ignore it and this whole problem will go away.

But now he is trying to charge people who find this a terrible deed to wipe it off the internet? This is a terrible deed, and I don't live it one it. It was fair for him to make the game that makes everyone pissed off but to try to charge people to get rid of it? Now hes just being self centered if he wants you to pay him just ignore it. I don't think that attention should be given to someone who so utterly doesn't deserve it.

Taking it down sets a bad precedent for NG.
The fact that he is trying to make money off it using a method somewhat like blackmail is absolutely pathetic, although.

I believe it should be taken down immediately. Even though I've seen other offensive Flash games/animations, this is going way too far.

I'm two sided. I think it's offensive that there's a flash of the V-Tech Massarce, however I do not personally take offense to it.

However, I do take offense that he's trying to profit from it though.

Any one who doesn't think that it's awesome you need to acquire a sense of humor.

At 5/15/07 06:15 PM, Bolo wrote: Do not remove it. Ever. To do so would go against eh very principles upon which the sit eis founded.

QFT

At 5/16/07 01:56 AM, Shawtey wrote: hey you guys... almost every flash artist on this site makes money for his flash

tom makes money for his flash...

ALMOST EVERY SINGLE ONE!

so stop complaining

But how many are trying to profit off the deaths of a bunch of people?

"If you pay me enough, I'll take it down"

If the subject matter were something else, I wouldn't care.