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If it would be just about the game and its controversy I'd say let it stay.

The fact that he tries to "blackmail" people with it is just plain wrong and should not be supported. I just hope that people are ignoring his begging.

At 5/15/07 04:54 PM, Ross wrote: the author, PiGPEN, has set up a page on his personal webpage stating that, if enough people deposit money in his Paypal account, he'll take the game down.

lols thats funny, i wonder how much cash hes made.

btw, it should stay. theres no reason that it shouldnt. 9/11 and columbine stuff is on this site, so this is no different.

Honestly, the game itself wasn't that bad.

Even if it was based on a mass murder =\

I was sort of on the fence about keeping this game on Newgrounds. It is actually a decent game, but it touches on a very emotional topic that happened not that long ago. Then he says if he gets enough money, he will remove it. Even if he did that jokingly, it pushed me to the side wanting the game removed. Wanting money to remove a controversial game crosses the line of freedom of speech into extorting a crisis.

I like the idea of a poll. It might work, it also might not (people mass voting to keep just to make the rest of us mad). I think something needs to be done. Either remove it without asking the rest of Newgrounds or set up some poll to see where everyone rests on the topic. Maybe some sort of mass PM to everyone with an account and they reply within a week on how they feel on the topic (remove it, keep it, or indifferent).

I know Newgrounds is a place where the idea of freedom of speech is brought to the edge, but this flash crossed that line, especially after requesting money to take the game down.

How would it make Newgrounds look if it takes one flash down? It will make us look downright weak.It is kind of a stupid game, I sympathize witht he victims.But people like these, they do stuff like this and you cant really stop them.So the best thing to do is ignore them.

Well if you ask me, he wouldn't have made that game if he were in the situation. So he doesn't understand. But people don't realize it's a fucking flash game made by a fucking random person on the internet. It's not like thousands of African children are going to be slayed because he made that game.

Its no different than anything else that has made it through the portal that is offensive. I think that if it made it through then the users have already spoken it should stay. Also the game is making light of this situation but it's not like this is some stupid flash that says "lololol shottings!!!one" it has some level of thought behind it and is made pretty well. I'm not saying its not a shitty game to make, it most certainly is, but that doesn't mean it has to be pulled of the site, there is so much stuff that offends and is in poor taste on NG, and thats what makes up this site...I mean come on, newgrounds was springboarded by games of killing celebrities and clubbing baby seals

I HOPE IT INSPIRES MORE SHOOOTINGS BECAUSE I THINK AMERICA SUCKS AND I FULLY SUPPORT A FULL SCALE ATTACK FROM AL-QAEDA

nah dont take it down

At 5/15/07 06:07 PM, Afro-Ninja wrote:

Unfortunately this is well beyond being ignored, so I don't see any other way to send a message to the greedy little bastard.

I really don't see what he's done that's wrong.
In fact, he's done everything right by my count. Shit, I would totally try to make money off retards who have enough time to waste to care about my little flash game that I made in the goal of offending as many people as I could.

he doesn't have to remove it in the first place, and now he's actually making people OPPOSED to his cause FUEL it by giving him tons of attention/money.

Brilliant haha

How is that game any different from Pico's School?

At 5/15/07 06:18 PM, Afro-Ninja wrote:

At 5/15/07 06:15 PM, Bolo wrote: Do not remove it. Ever. To do so would go against eh very principles upon which the sit eis founded.

I didn't know blackmailing was an NG principal

Is everyone completely ignoring the paypal aspect of this?

PayPal, schmaypal. I've seen plenty of people trying to profit of their flash--plenty of donate buttons.

I think his plan is sheer genius, myself.

Joe Blo comes along, sees the game "V-Tech ramage", and is offended. He then proceeds to play the game, still offended, and is stupid enough to pay to try to get it taken down.

If there are people offended enough by this to actually pay to try to get it taken down, rather than say, just, ignoring it, then that's their problem. Unless Pigpen is doing this fraudulently, I see no problem profiting from the stupidity of others. Free Ringtone and Ipod ads, anyone?

There's a lot of good discussion and good points being made about this. I want to chime in on one thing:

A lot of people are talking about how PiGPEN is using "blackmail" to make money off his game. I wouldn't characterize it that way. Blackmail involves compelling someone to give you money under threats of pain or embarrassment. Unless the sheer thought of this game's existence gives you pain - and if you're at Newgrounds, I'll assume it doesn't - then PiGPEN has no power over you. In reality, YOU have power over HIM, as you do over all artists on NG - because at any time, you can close your browser window.

afroninja is pissed because he didnt think of it before

Also if you think he will take it down even if he makes money your probably an idiot.

Hmmm.... Well, let us not forget that TOM FULP RELEASED A VERY HIGH RATING GAME ABOUT A SCHOOL MASSACRE! Ya know... Pico's school... Where lotsa kids die... and theres deplorable violence....

Between all the claims of him "trying to profit", and "selling out", it seems that I'm the only one who thinks that the Paypal link and request were only put up to tweak the people who were offended by the game.

I don't think PiGPEN's donation request has anything to do with whether it should stay on Newgrounds or not. Enough other movies and games here have some sort of profit attached to them - and, no, I don't believe that this donation request is a "special case". Trying to argue it is one just seems like casting at the air to me, trying to find excuses.

The creator of "Morphemon Duelists" made a controversial game because (from his posts) he just plain does that from time to time. He'll make another series a month or two down the road, and you'll all forget you ever called him scum.

I'm just curious how people can classify this as BRILLIANT. Digg is brilliant, Newgrounds is brilliant, YouTube is brilliant, but a scheme to make money off the virginia tech massacre?? That's brilliance?

I'm sure tons of Flash developers are aware that there is a lot of money in the "tragedy" industry. It's just that most of us have the CLASS to not exploit it for our benefit.

Christ, this isn't brilliance people. It's like stealing a candy bar. ANYONE can do it, but most people wont because it's simply wrong...

At 5/15/07 06:54 PM, AshfordPride wrote: How is that game any different from Pico's School?

Re-read this thread, play Pico's School, and then you can answer the question yourself.

Some people may find it offensive specially those family's who lost there friends and family

LOL!!!!!! they died

At 5/15/07 07:02 PM, DFox wrote: Re-read this thread, play Pico's School, and then you can answer the question yourself.

Pico School = Columbine
V-Tech Rampage = V-Tech

Tom Fulp = Doing it for the lols.
PigPen = Was doing it for the lols, now wants cash.

That's all I could find.

Instead of taking down the flash, controversery is what made newgrounds what it is today, just take down any reference to his desire for money to take it down. I know that you allow paypal links and you could leave that there, but his author's comments could just be removed so that his little bounty is just non-existant.

Many people think that it's an issue of his desire for money to take it down without any real animosity towards the flash. So just take down his references. Maybe add a snide comment like 'Sorry, only we're allowed to make money off your work', or not and be nice.

At 5/15/07 07:07 PM, AshfordPride wrote:

Tom Fulp = Doing it for the lols.
PigPen = Was doing it for the lols, now wants cash.

That's all I could find.

I think he mant because you play as the killer in V-tech.

Why is anyone angry about this anyway WHEN THEY VOTED PAEDOPHILE RAPE (teen titans hentai 2) FOR THE THE MONTHLY PRIZES. DO YOU FAGS MAKE EXCEPTIONS OR SOMETHING?

At 5/15/07 07:12 PM, NewShape wrote: I think he mant because you play as the killer in V-tech.

I really didn't even think of that.

I guess it just goes to show how unaffected I was by the game. I just saw it as another game where I shoot people.

I really have seen worse, like The Suicide Bomber Game. Another thing was, the game is just a regular shooter; If anyone thinks this was wrong, all shooting games are wrong. Who cares, it'll all be forgotten in 5 years anyway? I know people who forgot about Columbine after 3 years. It should stay, or all of NG games will be checked and all controversial ones deleted (if that's possible)

At 5/15/07 07:14 PM, Shawtey wrote: forcing anybody to click play now

Why do people click it anyhow its called VTECH RAMPAGE.

Its like a christian hiring a prostitute and shouting at her when she reaches his door.

It was bound to happen sometime if Pigpen didn't do it someone else would have. And i agree with a lot of other people there are a lot worse things on this site like someone said the Suicide Bomber Game.

Bu you can't say that you didn't see this game coming.

At 5/15/07 07:12 PM, NewShape wrote:

Why is anyone angry about this anyway WHEN THEY VOTED PAEDOPHILE RAPE (teen titans hentai 2) FOR THE THE MONTHLY PRIZES. DO YOU FAGS MAKE EXCEPTIONS OR SOMETHING?

lolol
GENERIC PEDOPHILE RAPE IS OK, but
SPECIFIC EVENTS = NOT COOL >:O

shame ON YOUR we should make fun of anything real

I didn't really like the game, it lacked good graphics and gameplay. I really don't know the point of the game honestly. It's just another shooter game based on a everyday tragical event that may offend others. Many died that day, it's not necessary to make a tribute shooting game based on it.

And for the author to even think of saying "Oh put money in my paypal account and I'll take it down" that's fucked up. Have respect for the people that were affected even slightly by that event. To want to gain from their loses, by making a horrible game is just plain greedy.

I find it quite rude and ignorant to even develop this game. I'm sorry, but this is my honest opinion. Yeah, it may just be another average game hitting the net -- but I find it horribly done and plus it's just...too recently released.