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Response to V-Tech Rampage 2007-05-20 01:05:02 Reply

Well, you can not take it down and have a few people who never have and never will come to newgrounds get a bit angry and then quickly forget it, or you can take it down and have the people who come to the site every day get annoyed by the content restrictions.

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Response to V-Tech Rampage 2007-05-20 01:36:40 Reply

Do nothing.

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Response to V-Tech Rampage 2007-05-20 01:58:18 Reply

By doing nothing we: effectively quit giving the bastard attention for his game, which actually I found fun, other than the bad feeling in my stomach, when I began thinking beyond the sprites. But in reality, thats all it is. It's some badly made sprites, and maybe if you imagine hard enough, those become images of real people. But still, this game is unrealistic and began with a really awful idea based on a really awful event (happy birthday to me, april 15).

To my main point again, doing nothing. We end one individual's attention towards the game. But is that really doing anything? What is one person among hundreds of curious people? By posting this message, I am not doing nothing. But if you're even reading this message, you're not doing nothing either. So it's hard to escape giving pigpen attention.

Free speech is fine and dandy, but even daring to try making a profit in this situation is just as dastardly as it gets. At this point, I would rather he robbed a bank than metaphorically spit on the victims' graves. Newgrounds is about this "free speech" thing, as shown by masses of games before it. However, these games/movies were just that; flash projects. The profit thing is what snags me. If anyone can remember the South Park 2-parter, "Cartoon Wars", this is damn near mirroring that. In the end, the executive shows the offensive Family Guy episode, and the show stays on the air. It really tears me between support keeping it and possibly making this guy a few bucks, or drop it and take away his right to free speaking.

In essence, I say keep the game. Why? Because I think that freedom of speech is really important, and anyone that gives this guy money for something he might not even do is a complete and total idiot, more so than the author himself.

On a lighter yet related note, I read a Yippie saying once that went: "Free speech is being able to yell 'THEATER!' in a crowded fire."

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Response to V-Tech Rampage 2007-05-20 01:59:53 Reply

To be honest,I don't think anyone has a right to take it down.It's similar to the Super Columbine thing because they are both related to shootings,but just because a lot of people don't like it doesn't mean he should take it off of his website and such.


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Response to V-Tech Rampage 2007-05-20 03:52:43 Reply

I think I'm actually gonna agree with you guys, we SHOULD leave it up. After all, freedom of speech, right? However, freedom comes at a price. This Australian apparently blacklisted himself as far as I can tell. Claims to symphasize with the killer because of being bullied... His REAL identity has already been distributed as far as I can tell. Unemployed and without much of an education... almost feel sorry for the guy...but not enough. If he's foolish enough to continue this little game of his, why should we try to rescue him? The damage is done, not too much we can do anyway, but let him suffer. To me, he does have the right to share his opinion, but so does everyone else.

Besides, I was reading a quote from someone who claimed to be an instructor at V-Tech, and I found it interesting:
"If you don't like the game, don't play it. If you don't like the movie, don't go to see it; and if you don't like the book, don't read it. If it's not played, it won't be sold. If people don't go to violent movies, they won't be made. It's that simple."

I found this to tell two things.
- We can choose not to play the game. After all, "A fool may talk, but a wise man speaks." In the end, do we listen to the fool or the wise man? (Be honest now...) Just because the fool says the world is flat doesn't mean the world is in danger of going flat, or everyone will start saying such things.
- Also, I'm just glad that at least here the game is being defended on the grounds of free speech, not for the actions of the killer or some other sick reason. It shows that at least most of us here are using our heads, and think a little more clearly than the creator of this flash. At least, wether the game stays up or gets taken down, we've at least proven we're not THAT bad of a site. ;)

Man, I just love overtyping and overanalizing, don't I?

At 5/20/07 01:58 AM, DibbityDan wrote: On a lighter yet related note, I read a Yippie saying once that went: "Free speech is being able to yell 'THEATER!' in a crowded fire."

Good one :)

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Response to V-Tech Rampage 2007-05-20 04:50:07 Reply

If you don't like it. Don't view it.

South Park parodied 9/11 and other cartoons too but they waited a long time.
If South Park did the same thing a few weeks after it happened. People would've been offended BIG TIME.... OMG There's a porno on Tv, I am quite offended, they should take it off. OMG there's a mexican on Tv making jokes about every race, I am quite offended, they should take it off. OMG there's a parody of the war on Tv, I am quite offended, they should take it off.

THIS, is just a little flash.(maybe not anymore LOL) Freedom of speech is in order. He just made it to piss you guys off probably and to have a laugh for himself and for you guys. It seems to be working. ;o

Leave it be. Don't like it? Do your job as a NG user and start blowing the whistle on flashes in the portal. Lazy? Then STFU :D

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Response to V-Tech Rampage 2007-05-20 05:47:42 Reply

I played the game, loved the pixel style, it shows it not just something that no thought was put into. The dialogue was alright, it wasn't exactly 'LOL, IMA KILL J00 FEWEL!' so I think he was trying to portray how that freak actually was, the mcbeef quote cracked me up too. All in all pretty alright game, reminds me of picos school kinda as there are very few flash games nowadays where you actually change location rather than staying in the same place shooting enemies or running along a sidescrolling screen. I think it's dumb that he got a bunch of hatemail, have you idiots not heard of 4chan, they've parodied v-tech to death.


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Response to V-Tech Rampage 2007-05-20 10:23:23 Reply

"That Jew's goin' back in the oven,"

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Response to V-Tech Rampage 2007-05-20 11:51:31 Reply

It wasn't a bad game but the thing was it was based on a bad event. There has been worse things uploaded to newgrounds, i say let it stay.

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Response to V-Tech Rampage 2007-05-20 12:10:00 Reply

I enjoy the idea of controversy more than many, but I just can't bring myself to re-enacting killing all those poor kids at the tech. It happened in my state too. If I had the choice to bring it down however, even as I feel towards it in distaste I wouldn't take it down. It's an art form, whether it be horrible or beautiful and there's some things that are unequally equal.


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Response to V-Tech Rampage 2007-05-20 13:56:50 Reply

You can't take a game down because it's offensive. It's the principle of the matter.

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Response to V-Tech Rampage 2007-05-20 14:50:36 Reply

If it passed judgement, keep it. You don't get rid of the hitler stuff, and thats just as bad.

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Response to V-Tech Rampage 2007-05-20 15:16:08 Reply

At 5/20/07 10:23 AM, VespeneGas wrote: "That Jew's goin' back in the oven,"

To get this little gem of a message, kill the teacher that says, "This is ISRAAEEEEEL!"

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Response to V-Tech Rampage 2007-05-20 15:33:32 Reply

At 5/19/07 08:30 PM, Inferno42 wrote: I'm rally getting tired of people complaining about this game. It's obvious that it's not going anywhere. Also if you know some one that died at VT, listen up: NOBODY GIVES A SHIT!!! We don't care that one of your realitives was dumb enough to piss off Cho, so stop your bitching!

You got fucking problems. Nobody gives a shit? Maybe you and your fucked up friends don't give a shit, but I certainly care and I know that many people around the world care. Learn some compassion and love...instead of being just a complete asshole and mocking the lives of those lost.

And I assure you that many of those people who were shot didn't even say racist things to Cho...if someone said a racist slur to a person, does that give him the right to kill others who may have had nothing to do with it? No. It is just fucked up and wrong. Stop trying to support a mentally troubled individual who killed innocent people. Stop trying to justify his killings. At this point, I don't care about the fucking game, I just want to see assholes like you shut the hell up and respect the lives of those who died instead of spitting on their graves and saying that the killer had a right to put a bullet in every one of their bodies.

Hopefully with the attitude that you seem to have you won't make it anywhere in life. Learn some respect.

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Response to V-Tech Rampage 2007-05-20 15:37:00 Reply

I wrote a review for the movie a short time ago.

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Immediately following the massacre at V-Tech, I knew it was only a matter of time before some self-loving "freedom musketeer" made a game in an attempt to prove some sort of point. Sure enough, you stepped in and delivered a bland and tasteless game riddled with spelling mistakes and racial slurs.

Now, the game itself wasn't entertaining, as if the simplistic controls of "S = talk, A = shoot" weren't a big enough clue to its shallow gameplay. Perhaps the only decent aspect of the game was that you had to follow the storyline, and the combination of "stealth" with the rampage made it a tad more challenging. The sound was one-dimensional, and the choice of music seemed completely puzzling. As for the violence, well, there certainly was some. Yet somehow you managed to make a violent massacre look and feel boring.

As for your message of "freedom of speech", I really don't think that is what you're concerned about. Clearly, the only purpose of this game was for you to get news coverage so you could pretend to be some sort of "super-hero" for freedom. Obviously I don't feel that the game should be taken down, but it certainly shouldn't receive any press coverage, nor should you think of yourself as anything more than an attention whore. I'm quite sure any remotely talented author on Newgrounds could make a movie about car bombings or Muhammed, yet I always figured that these movies weren't created because the authors had a little more self-respect. I'm certainly not saying that these issues should never be discussed, nor am I saying that tragedies should be off-limts for this sort of thing. Yet you managed to camouflage a pathetic ploy for attention it to some sort of "freedom of speech" issue. I do hope you realize that not everybody fell for your shallow excuse, and many do see that underlying immaturity behind it all. One could argue that this isn't the first time a sensitive issue has been glorified in this way, as the Columbine massacre game garnered a dick-load of controversy after it was created. But I imagine that it was your intention to do exactly the same, and perhaps a few well-known constitution-spinning douchebags would come to your defense on the news, thus labeling you as some sort of freedom fighter.

Unfortunately, it seems your fifteen minutes of fame have passed, and by the end of the day you won't be know as "Ryan Lambourn, the 21-year-old activist", rather "that douchebag kid who made the game about V-Tech just to get on the news".

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I was fortunate enough to earn a response from a "big celebrity", imagine my excitement..

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You dont understand the music choice because you know absolutely nothing about Seung-Hui Cho. You need to write less and read more fucktard.

Also play some god-damned NES games...2 action buttons is more than enough.
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Funny that he never commented on anything I said other than the music and the buttons.

Filth.

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Response to V-Tech Rampage 2007-05-20 15:45:49 Reply

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Response to V-Tech Rampage 2007-05-20 15:48:46 Reply

I think the man has the right to put up whatever the hell he wants (see my review of the game), but on the other hand, he set up a fucking paypal account to take it down. Pull the plug on the bitch IMO.

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Response to V-Tech Rampage 2007-05-20 15:59:05 Reply

At 5/20/07 03:48 PM, neoman5 wrote: I think the man has the right to put up whatever the hell he wants (see my review of the game), but on the other hand, he set up a fucking paypal account to take it down. Pull the plug on the bitch IMO.

Normal users can't remove their flash from NG, why should this guy be an exception?

Just because he got his name published on a couple websites?

I think NG should refuse to remove it so that he gets a class-action lawsuit from all the people paying him to remove the game from NG.

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Response to V-Tech Rampage 2007-05-20 16:00:19 Reply

Its just a game shut the fuck up.
How do you think Fucking war vets feel about medal of honor?
This is a minor game, definatly not a big deal compared to other things.

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Response to V-Tech Rampage 2007-05-20 16:54:15 Reply

At 5/20/07 03:37 PM, Canas wrote: Funny that he never commented on anything I said other than the music and the buttons.

Filth.

Oh, you're pretty fucking serious about this, aren't you? Guess what, Canas. It's a game. Go fuck yourself.

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Response to V-Tech Rampage 2007-05-20 17:44:04 Reply

The game is alright, but i just think he put out the game too soon.

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Response to V-Tech Rampage 2007-05-20 17:52:45 Reply

I haven't actually played it, but what you said to do on the game is encouraging more of these things to happen, it's kinda promoting to kill people.

I reckon it should be taken down

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Response to V-Tech Rampage 2007-05-20 17:53:58 Reply

At 5/20/07 05:52 PM, ChrisTheFeral wrote: I haven't actually played it, but what you said to do on the game is encouraging more of these things to happen, it's kinda promoting to kill people.

I reckon it should be taken down

oh wow

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Response to V-Tech Rampage 2007-05-20 17:56:10 Reply

At 5/20/07 05:52 PM, ChrisTheFeral wrote: I haven't actually played it, but what you said to do on the game is encouraging more of these things to happen, it's kinda promoting to kill people.

I played this game on the interwebs. You could kill people in it, it was very fun.

Maybe I should try the same thing in real life? Yeah, I'll just go shooting people, because it seemed so fun on the internets!


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Response to V-Tech Rampage 2007-05-20 18:09:16 Reply

At 5/20/07 01:56 PM, Pilot-Doofy wrote: You can't take a game down because it's offensive. It's the principle of the matter.

I Agree

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Response to V-Tech Rampage 2007-05-20 18:26:04 Reply

At 5/20/07 03:33 PM, Abcde123 wrote: In response to Inferno42:
You got fucking problems. Nobody gives a shit? Maybe you and your fucked up friends don't give a shit, but I certainly care and I know that many people around the world care. Learn some compassion and love...instead of being just a complete asshole and mocking the lives of those lost.

I think Inferno might have been playing on the same kind of emotions that Pigpen did right here. To say that nobody gives a shit sounds like a pretty general statement geared more towards pissing people like you off than actually expressing his true feelings toward the matter. And so goes the controversy. Shock value and all that jazz, people play on others' emotions, everybody gets all worked up and the authors revel in the attention they get as a result. Who says they care one way or another if that attention is positive or negative? I think the big problem here is everyone tripping all over eachother trying to reach the tip of Mt. Self-Righteous so they can hang out with all the other moral high grounders and feel better about themselves.

It's not necessarily that "nobody gives a shit," but rather a response to something that people are sick and tired of hearing about. Maybe if we didn't have to hear about the god damn shooting 24 hours a day for the two weeks after it happened, people like Pigpen would've left it alone. And to be perfectly honest about the matter, I really can't find it in my heart to care about it all that much either. I do feel some empathy for the people involved, but you know what? I wasn't involved with the thing and I don't know anybody who was... It's the same with the WTC and the OK City building. I cared for about as long as anyone could be expected to, but without any personal investment in the event, it was pretty easy to move on from... took about a couple hours.
Want to hear something even worse, but something that everyone here knows is true whether they're able to admit it or not?
People cared even less for the astronomical number of people who were killed from that Tsunami on Christmas Eve for all the same reasons. God forbid a model's boyfriend was killed though... we sure got to hear about that one; Oh, and the other 200,000 people I guess, I'm sure they all mattered a lot to us too.

Anyway, that's all starting to digress. My point is that when events get overplayed, people get sick of hearing about it and some respond in the same old fashioned "Fuck you" angst that gets us through our teens. Again, it's not that people literally don't care, but more so that they're responding as a kind of antithesis to an overplayed and overemotional tragedy that by all means pales horribly in comparison to a LOT of shit that doesn't happen in our pristine little world.

I've got a hamburger to eat now, and I don't even know if I had a point anyway, but I'm sure I've probably offended a few vegans now and should probably get put in jail, die, the world would be better off without people like me in it, go hang myself from a rafter, and go back to China... even though I've never actually been there before.
But yeah, hamburger to eat.

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Response to V-Tech Rampage 2007-05-20 18:41:35 Reply

What is with everyone bitching about his paypal account, I don't see you guys complaining about all the other flash games that only give you a tiny bit of content then ask you to pay, or go to their site just to play the whole game.

start bitching about those, then maybe someone will take you seriously when you talk about his paypal account

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Response to V-Tech Rampage 2007-05-20 18:54:32 Reply

At 5/20/07 05:52 PM, ChrisTheFeral wrote: I haven't actually played it, but what you said to do on the game is encouraging more of these things to happen, it's kinda promoting to kill people.

I reckon it should be taken down

No. First off thats retarded, ok? I played Duck Hunt when I was like 2. I have still yet to gain the urge to go kill some ducks, so why the hell would this motivate people to kill others? It's not like there is some subliminal messaging that says "Hey! It's cool to kill!" or something along the lines. You're worst than the god damn politicians out there who try to ban video games.

Arcad1a, those flash games are basically demos. If you like the demo, why not play the full game, right? Sometimes the files are so large it can't be put on NG, so they put it on their own site so it is the full version.
And the P2P games, well if you like it then you'll buy it.

So this is totally different than what's actually happening.

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Response to V-Tech Rampage 2007-05-20 19:05:46 Reply

At 5/20/07 06:54 PM, finaleve wrote:
At 5/20/07 05:52 PM, ChrisTheFeral wrote:

:You're worst than the god damn politicians out there who try to ban video games.

there is nothng worst than polititicians that want to get rid of video games

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Response to V-Tech Rampage 2007-05-20 19:08:52 Reply

Dante is right with prett much everything said on this page.