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At 5/19/07 12:53 PM, Bunzi wrote:At 5/19/07 12:40 PM, homor wrote: like some guy on page 25-26 said, these argueements are just going around in circles.you spin me right round baby right round, like a record baby, right round, round round!
Ridin' Spinnaz, Ridin' Spinnaz, they don't stop.
THEY SPINNIN' N***A THEY SPINNIN'!
This is clearly a way to advertise the game. Too bad it can't be removed.
|| DcOrP|| You can't spell harDCORe Porn without DCORP.
Bring Amber Lamps
Obviously none of the other staff members want to touch the game because it's too hot of an issue for them to deal with. We'll see what happens when Tom gets back, then.
At 5/19/07 05:43 PM, Maus wrote:At 5/19/07 05:37 PM, LukeJames wrote: Discussion Over.You would think so, but that's been brought up about a dozen times in this thread.
We are giving him to much attention
At 5/15/07 04:54 PM, Ross wrote: Does this game have any merit, or is it strictly an exercise in poor taste? Are you offended by it? Did you enjoy playing it? Should it be taken down? What do you think?
Though it is without a doubt one of the most tasteless things I've seen recently, I'd like to defend it and support its presence here on Newgrounds.
It has merit for the simple fact that it's not directly harming anybody and does nothing more than inspire emotion. Free speech is just that in that it gives everyone the right to say or project any idea they want, no matter how absurd, idiotic, or completely retarded it may be.
Pendulums always swing far to both sides. We (as the general population) seem to like to glorify our tragedies to the world and inspire mass sympathy. While what happened in Virginia was terrible and does warrant that kind of consolidation, once broadcasted ad nauseum, I think it's to be expected that this kind of response (Pigpen's game) to be inevitable.
I'm sure if I knew anybody at V-tech or was directly affected by the loss, my opinion might be different, however that's only speculation. I'd like to think that I would still support this game either way and stay objective and far removed from my own ego to see that even things in offensive taste have as much a place in our society as things contrary.
Now, whether it stay on Newgrounds (being a private organization with its own sponsors to answer to) or not isn't up to me, but since it's been asked, this is my opinion.
Personally and in light of what those people had to endure, yes, it's offensive. There's no doubt about that. But I don't think that's grounds to remove the game, because that too is nothing more than my own opinion.
Newgrounds has always showcased this kind of thing. It is "Everything by Everyone", not "What we think is appropriate by a select few people." If it didn't have a place on this site, it would have been fairly Blammed by our peers, simple as that. By it even being here at all, the majority of NG users have already clearly made the case that it should not be removed.
Pico's school generated controversy.
The OK City bombing game generated the same.
Smoking Kills pissed people off,
and even Club a Seal started a whole mess of garbage for Newgrounds, but all of them stayed on board and weren't removed, supporting the fact that this website and its content are fairly managed by the people who come here and support it every day.
Don't remove the game. If you do that, you're going to have to remove everything else on this site because one thing or another is going to upset at least someone for some reason.
It belongs here, if anything as a testament to the fact that even assholes have the right to open their mouths from time to time.
It's kinda funny, I think it DESERVES to be taken down because he is willing to (for a price)-he's basically asking for it. It's like "Im going to hold my breath until you do...", exept we'd do it for them (Pigpen).
Unfortunately, I don't want that (removal) to happen to my friend's, my family's, or my game if I made a (somewhat) controversial game. If we take away his right to post a idea here, we stifle our own rights. To tally up the score:
Defending: I don't want any other game removed on the grounds of, "well, that V-tech game was taken off because people got pissed..."/ It's a shotty game, and I am not related to the event, so I am not offended. And if you ARE related...DONT PLAY THE GAME! HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN HOW TO AVERT YOUR EYES? I mean, I don't like Donkey Shows, but I won't watch just to complain and manage to convince people I couldn't look away-that's not fair to the people who ENJOY them. Also, I know me doing that will come around JUST as quick./ It's a sucky game that would of been blammed to obscurity by users if it wasn't so controversial.
Opposing: His manipulation of the VICTIMS' (not the people who pretend to be victims, or people who are proxy for victims) emotions. That's about as bad as stomping on their grave, or disrupting their funeral by dancing with the deads' corpses. And what about the poor families? They can't pay for the peace of their child: imagine what you are doing, you sick fuck!/ He is willing to take his game down. Take away the 2000 he asks for, he is asking for his game to be taken away.
My opinion, it should stay...since the Opposing veiws only cater to a few rather than the rest of us users.
Basicaly, he is a prick. I couldn't care less his work is on new grounds, but I'm not going to denignify it by playing.
Also, what doubly annoys me is he is an insult to the name of my favorate Peanuts charecter :(
At 5/17/07 12:03 AM, ReignOfHell wrote: Shit, I thought I could edit, sorry about the surely response. But my vote still stands to tweaking the post for the benefit of saying that PigPens PayPal account was a joke to get people upset.
A joke purposely designed to make people upset is not any better then the action being joked about.
Well you could leave it up for freedom of speech purposes... or I would take it down due to the fact that he's trying to make profit of something that was supposed to be released for free.
I'm rally getting tired of people complaining about this game. It's obvious that it's not going anywhere. Also if you know some one that died at VT, listen up: NOBODY GIVES A SHIT!!! We don't care that one of your realitives was dumb enough to piss off Cho, so stop your bitching!
read my blog, posta commenrt, and I'll read yours!
I think it should stay, it defines newgrounds as a breeding ground for controversy...i of course mean that it shows that newgrounds can post something like hitler driving the united 93 airplane into virgina tech on the front page, and it would reamin there
im not saying that its fine what pen is doing at the moment, its ok he submitted somethnig like this but the fact hes trying to make a profit is pretty damn bad...even for something this awful
in anycase all it is shown in it are badly made sprites that get shot...it doesnt show something like a detailed first person shooter...that would be more on the line of contorversy
Well thanks to all the media coverage and talk about it, in the end, it made me want to play it, and so i did. so gg curiosity was encouraged thanks to all the publicity it got.
I think it should be kept up, let people cry about offensive things. I personally like the game and the event. I think that day is a good lesson to people to not fuck with other people. Which brings up a comical event after the "tragedy", at school people thought I was going to blow up the damn place.
final decision it should stay guys i mean some people enjoy and it is freedom of speech
What am I doing here?
Heh heh, I got banned from here for 1 day because I said that the creater of the game and anyone that defends him should go hang from a rafter. What a fucking joke. What happen to freedom of speach? It's ok for you's to host a sick game like this but I should'nt say what I feel. To the guys that run this show, you can go hang from a rafter too ya cunts. I tell you it would be a good start to cleaning up the shit in this world.
At 5/19/07 11:01 PM, coyzee wrote: What happen to freedom of speach?
Freedom of speech does not apply to a privately owned forum. You were also banned for other posts besides the one you mentioned. We do have rules on these forums, one of which is to keep hateful and abusive language to a minimum.
I would say that the game should stay because removing it would be against free speech, but I'm not sure now because PiGPEN is trying to profit from people wanting to take it down. On a semi-related note, how the fuck do you kill the people in rather than just injuring them?!?!?! I can't beat it!
Well, you can not take it down and have a few people who never have and never will come to newgrounds get a bit angry and then quickly forget it, or you can take it down and have the people who come to the site every day get annoyed by the content restrictions.
By doing nothing we: effectively quit giving the bastard attention for his game, which actually I found fun, other than the bad feeling in my stomach, when I began thinking beyond the sprites. But in reality, thats all it is. It's some badly made sprites, and maybe if you imagine hard enough, those become images of real people. But still, this game is unrealistic and began with a really awful idea based on a really awful event (happy birthday to me, april 15).
To my main point again, doing nothing. We end one individual's attention towards the game. But is that really doing anything? What is one person among hundreds of curious people? By posting this message, I am not doing nothing. But if you're even reading this message, you're not doing nothing either. So it's hard to escape giving pigpen attention.
Free speech is fine and dandy, but even daring to try making a profit in this situation is just as dastardly as it gets. At this point, I would rather he robbed a bank than metaphorically spit on the victims' graves. Newgrounds is about this "free speech" thing, as shown by masses of games before it. However, these games/movies were just that; flash projects. The profit thing is what snags me. If anyone can remember the South Park 2-parter, "Cartoon Wars", this is damn near mirroring that. In the end, the executive shows the offensive Family Guy episode, and the show stays on the air. It really tears me between support keeping it and possibly making this guy a few bucks, or drop it and take away his right to free speaking.
In essence, I say keep the game. Why? Because I think that freedom of speech is really important, and anyone that gives this guy money for something he might not even do is a complete and total idiot, more so than the author himself.
On a lighter yet related note, I read a Yippie saying once that went: "Free speech is being able to yell 'THEATER!' in a crowded fire."