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At 5/15/07 04:55 PM, MadCow wrote: Eh, I kinda liked the V-Tech game better than that Super Columbine thing.

No ways, Super Columbine pwns.

Does this game have any merit, or is it strictly an exercise in poor taste? Are you offended by it? Did you enjoy playing it? Should it be taken down? What do you think?

Ross, there was never so much upset about the columbine rpg, why not

At 5/15/07 05:11 PM, bigbadron wrote:

At 5/15/07 04:54 PM, Ross wrote: Not content to stop there, the author, PiGPEN, has set up a page on his personal webpage stating that, if enough people deposit money in his Paypal account, he'll take the game down. Some of the people weighing in on this feel that we should pre-emptively take it down, especially in light of PiGPEN's attempt to profit from it.

not that i see anything wrong with the game, but if he's going to be a dick and try to profit from it, you should just take it down.

Wouldn't that create a small contreversy like last year or whatever when they said that Super Columbine RPG couldn't win an award at that Game Competition thing that Tom was in?

V-Tech Rampage is an example of what newgrounds does (or at least tries to do). It gives users incredible freedom, unlike any other site, and excellent exposure. Stuff like this is what NG stands for, I wouldn't take it down.

I really don't think it should be taken down by force.

If the creator wants to take it down it's up to him, but there is nothing that breaks the submission rules in that flash.

Should it be removed for making light of tragety? No

Is the guy an asshat for seeing people outraged at his product and trying to profit from it? Yes

If he had ignored them or defended himself from a moral stance I could maybe sympathize with him but he took the route of the asshat.

I can't agree with all or nothing. There are circumstances to consider. From a rights standpoint it's solid but no one would be defending this if the game was set at Shitonastick's school.

At 5/15/07 05:02 PM, HotActionYiffFur wrote: We need more media attention.

Keep it up.

If only they'd been wearing their NG shirts at the time.

And would it kill them to put a few stickers up while they're at it?!

We can all complain about that game.

But let´s talk about pico´s school. Tom said to me that the columbine masacre inspired him for the game

and making a news topic about this is just giving him more attention. Let that dude make his game if he wants it

I quite passionately think you shouldn't take it down, especially not on this website. You all know the arguments, but I fucking live my life by them.

Leave the game here! It's a proof that if you know that you'll be offended by something, you are a fucking moron if you watch it anyway.
Im offended by all the idiots that know that this game will make them feel sick and watch it only so they can BITCH about it. People like to bitch and won't miss such a good oportunity.
What the author is trying to do is take advantage and profit from TOTAL FUCKHEADS. Im so ok with that! Idiots with no money are idiots that can do shit to bother normal people.
Seriously, I don't agree with that game.
But damn I know that LOTS OF PEOPLE FIND IT FUN AND AMUSING AND THEY DESERVE HAVINF FUN.
IF YOU DONT AGREE TO HAVE THESE KINDA GAMES THEN YOU ARE MAKING MANY SICK AND NOT THAT SICK PEOPLE REALLY UNHAPPY.
WHAT IF TOM FULP ERASES ALL HIS ASSASIN FLASH? I WOULD DO A FLASH ABOUT KLLING HIM JUST FOR THAT!
MAN, WE NEED POINTLESS FICTIONAL VIOLENCE, JUST SO I WONT HAVE TO MAKE SOME REAL ONE TO REPLACE THE INVENTED ONE.
MAKE VIOLENT FLASH. KEEP SICKOS BUSSY KILLING BYTES AND PIXELS, NOT PEOPLE.

It should be taken down. Not because of the tragedy, not because its a terrible game, but because he is blackmailing the people who find it offensive to take it down. It is one thing to exercise free speech and offend people because it is almost inevitable to not offend someone while making anything of worth but to take money to take it down is reprehensible. He should either leave it up to stand by his creation and free speech or take it down in light of the wishes of those that find it in extremely poor taste, but extortion is inexcusable and illegal. His account should be terminated immediately.

I have to agree with Kotaku.com's point. I did a research paper just a couple weeks ago on the controversy of media, video gaming being the newest 'target.' Every state that tries to create a law or bill banning a certain game or genre is put down in the federal court house because of the first amendment, free speech. The game portrayed has no 'speech,' it is only being 'free.'

If this were my website, i'd take it down. But, seeing that you guys have dealt with problems like this in the past, i'm not sure how high on a danger scale this game would be compared to the others.

I didn't have an opinion until PiGPEN decided to hold a 'ransom' if you will. There's sticking to your guns and then there is being a sell out.

take it down now.

Meh. It doesn't violate NG rules, and it's not anything that wouldn't be allowed under free speech. It may be pointless and tasteless, but if it didn't get blammed, SOMEONE saw value in it and it should stay up. It'll fade into obscurity soon enough anyway.

The paypal link needs to go though. It's one thing to have a donate link in your flash saying you're hoping to get money to be able to do normal work less and make flash more. It's quite another to say 'I made this only to offend people, but if you pay me, I'll take it down.'

I don't have strong opnions either way, I mean ok leave the game up there. I played it for a bit and it really did nothing...I mean I didn't even feel shocked playing it, it was SO far from reality that I could distance myself easily.

The dudes clearly out to make a buck, if it works, it works.

I agree with what Wade says, the media strung this shit out for days so that THEY could make ratings...does anyone EVER feel that the media has OUR interests at heart. Its all people making money and thats what the news is about.

Fuck the news. Read it but don't always believe it.

PiGPEN is a dickwad (past events) but you don't need to take the game down. It's the internet man, and even bringing it this much attention is just what he wants.

Freedom of speech. The only thing this game harms is emotions, and I can see you being pissed off if you were involved in the event, but most of you weren't, so you should feel offended by it. Most of you probably aren't offended by it, but are instead worried about other people being offended by it.

Anyhow no doubt the event was a tragedy and horrible, and no doubt that the game is in bad taste, but it shouldn't be taken seriously (the game, not the event)

Keep it up (unless pigpen chooses to take it down.)

At 5/15/07 05:24 PM, Maus wrote: I didn't have an opinion until PiGPEN decided to hold a 'ransom' if you will. There's sticking to your guns and then there is being a sell out.

take it down now.

He's not even getting money from that... so... meh.

I think the point is that he is extorting money to take it down not that it is offensive or a terrible game. The accepting of money is grounds to take it down and terminate the users account.

I think it should be taken down. You are re-enacting a person who killed a lot of people.

Newgrounds can't remove it because doing so would result in an identity crisis and a lot of pissed off fans.

However, I don't think it deserves a FP post, as that just gives the author more attention, nor does it deserve attention from those other pages.

It needs to be ignored.

At 5/15/07 05:27 PM, MadCow wrote: He's not even getting money from that... so... meh.

It's the principle of the matter. If PiGPEN had said 'no way, fuck you guys, it's my game, it stays' I would support leaving it on NG. Not this way, it's not copacetic.

Keep it up. NG has always been at the cutting edge of shocking.

I would LOVE to see the hatemail Tom will be getting for having this game on here.

Not content to stop there, the author, PiGPEN, has set up a page on his personal webpage stating that, if enough people deposit money in his Paypal account, he'll take the game down.

what an ass, but people who send him money would be even stupidier, plus they would indirectly tell him it works nad he will make more in order to get money.

He just wants attention and bring polemic, we just should take it as something normal and ignore it. If you remove the game you will give him the attention he wants plus have to remove any other similar flash.....