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At 5/17/07 09:48 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote: Why do they fawn over it?

Answer... the motherfucking question

Calm down skippy...

Well it was more put out as another example of greatness being in the eyes of the beholders but still....

There are various reasons why people fawn over these tyrants. There is no one simple reason, and many people fall into multiple groups...

Well, for a lot of people...it's sheer stupidity or ignorance. Socialism sounds frigging awesome on paper. Everybody does the exact share of the work that they are able, and everyone gets free health care, housing, food, etc.
This is what I call the "stupid but good liberal." They are dumb as a brick (usually because they're young and have been force fed this crap since birth), but they're not malicious. They truly believe these policies will benefit everyone. That it's never worked once is irrelevant, because the wrong people have been in charge.
My mentor, Evan Sayet, goes into this pretty hardcore.
www.evansayet.com/evanmov.html
These are the majority of liberals, and almost the entirety of the grunts.

There's the beneficiary, or the minority liberal, who want the liberals in power because they like handouts, special status, and the dhimmi status they get from the leaders (more into this with the last group). They are teh product of generations of liberalism. They believe they deserve all this because they've been wronged by a society that hates them. These are not generally good people, and they're angry as hell...

There's the guilt liberal. "I'm doing so well while others aren't" is their motto. Because of their parents, grandparents, etc, society is racist and they need to fix it to equal everyone out. They feel personally responsible for the plight of the poor. These tend to be middle class, and while good intentioned, turn truly volatile, because if you disagree with them...you must be evil. In their worldview, no good human being can be against welfare because to be anti-welfare is to hate blacks. To be against hate laws is to smile at the deaths of minorities, etc.

The hate America liberal.
America is evil, it has wronged them. Therefore, whoever is least like America is good. Or whoever we hate is good. See: Fonda, Sheehan.

And finally, there's the evil liberal.
This is the political class liberal. The Nancy Pelosis and Harry Reids and Hillary Clintons. These are exceptionally intelligent people who know that their policies fail. But damn it, those policies keep them in power. Calling the President a liar and demanding he withdraw the troops increases terrorist bombings, killing soldiers AND civilians...but damned if it didn't get them control of Congress again. Pulling out will cause a massacre, but Michael Moore and Teddy Kennedy say "Who cares" and demand the pullout anyways. Abortion kills children, but it keeps the money coming in from NOW, NARAL, and the ACLU. Welfare may encourage dependency and lead to generations of the same family living in poverty...but damn it, it's what Al Sharpton points to to keep the blacks voting for them. Etc.

I don't see how any of those categories apply to even a significant portion of liberals...

Read George Lakoff's book "Moral Politics" to understand why liberals are liberals and why conservatives are conservatives...It all boils down to worldview and morality.

At 5/17/07 09:44 PM, HighlyIllogical wrote:

Any what-if about Hitler is irrelevant when you're referring to potential application of "great." Hitler was a bad man...Genghis Khan was a bad man...bad people aren't great.

Because your applying your morals to history and the world.

What point of arbitrary don't you get?

At 5/17/07 10:19 PM, HighlyIllogical wrote: I don't see how any of those categories apply to even a significant portion of liberals...

Read George Lakoff's book "Moral Politics" to understand why liberals are liberals and why conservatives are conservatives...It all boils down to worldview and morality.

The good but stupid portion applies to quite a few. They believe what they are doing is best for the nation, and for everyone, but just don't know what they're talking about. It's completely about morality. "It's simply not moral to let people go hungry when the government can feed everyone. Or to have people pay high prices for things they need, like gas." It's very much about morality. They want to do good for everyone, but don't realize just how bad their ideas are.

Pardon me for saying it, HI, but for the most part, I put all the libs on this board in that category. For example "OMG, guns kill people. If we could just ban them, everything would be golden." Or "If we left Iraq, so would the terrorists." or even "If the government paid for health care, everyone would have it!" All are positions thinking about the welfare of others, and generally good positions, but really foolish and not based on reality.

As the old saying goes:
If you are under 20 and not a liberal you have no heart.
If over 30 and not a conservative, you have no head.

Liberal ideas appeal to something basically good in humanity, which is why so many idealistic youngins bite down so hard. But after a while, if you're really paying attention, you start to see these ideas don't work so well, and start thinking more conservative.

At 5/17/07 09:44 PM, HighlyIllogical wrote: Any what-if about Hitler is irrelevant when you're referring to potential application of "great." Hitler was a bad man...Genghis Khan was a bad man...bad people aren't great.

There is no equivalence between Hitler and Genghis Khan and if I was Mongol I would find that quite offensive.

NO equivalence, none, zero.

Jesus H. Christ, people! If you look at the dictionary definition of 'great', you will find that the terms are applicable to Hitler! The word 'great' has nothing to do with morality, but with achievement.

At 5/15/07 04:17 PM, ModestWarrior wrote: * FACT: Most of the 'Orthodox Jewish version' of the Holocaust is false, (and in fact is significantly based on 'confessions' of Germans at the Nuremberg Military Tribunal obtained under torture), and numerous Jewish scholars have actually acknowledged this. (The stories acknowledged by Jewish scholars to be false include the existence of homicidal gas chambers, the use of Jewish skin for lampshade coverings and Jewish body fat for soap, and the assertion that there were 'Six Million' Jews killed by the nazis.) But questioning these widely-believed but false stories is illegal in most countries of the Western world, and 8,000 people are in jail in Germany alone for questioning these and similar dogmas. Can you figure out what powerful international ethnic group was responsible for causing these laws to be passed?

* FACT: Sympathy and guilt for the (largely false) story of the Holocaust has resulted in the payment of close to a hundred billion dollars to Israel by the German government. Furthermore, Jews everywhere continue to use the Holocaust as a tool for extracting money from gentiles, whether thru the movies (more than 400 have been made on this subject), Holocaust museums, 'reparations' (more than a billion from the Swiss, billions from German companies, etc) and the like. There is a saying widely used among Jews which goes, "There's no business like Shoah [Holocaust] business." Can you figure out why the Jewish establishment has been so eager to suppress questioning of the Holocau$$$t dogma?

* FACT: Israel is the only 'Western' country to legally sanction torture, and the Israeli Defense Forces use bone-breaking and shoot-to-maim policies against Palestinians, and even reporters. Furthermore, Israel forbids marriages of Jews to non-Jews, just like nazi Germany.

You sad, idiotic excuse for a human. Almost everything you posted is fallacious. The murder of 6 million+ innocent people 62 years ago is the cold undeniable truth. And now I have some facts for you. The Nazi party who's shit you'd gladly role around in kept meticulous records of their abominations. Almost every statistic we have about the death toll, prison camps, execution methods and prisoner transfers came directly from the horses mouth. And despite of all this hatred, Jews like myself have penetrated to the highest echelons of society and made something of ourselves. Consider this: God promised us Israel and we got it. God made the Sabbath Holy and it still is. What has hatred given you?

At 5/18/07 06:35 AM, Demosthenez wrote: There is no equivalence between Hitler and Genghis Khan and if I was Mongol I would find that quite offensive.

NO equivalence, none, zero.

That's true, but Genghis Khan wasn't exactly a good guy. They were both bad, but Hitler was obviously much, much worse. Khan had a huge lust for money that he satiated violently (not for power really, though, seeing as he left conquered territories exactly the same, but with a tribute) while Hitler was just batshit insane.

Also, even if yall are arguing that Hitler was "great" because he did a lot or whatever, it wasn't even really him. He rhetorically fired people up, but it was his direct underlings who actually did all the legwork. While they were doing this, Hitler spent his time watching movies (King Kong and Snow White were his favorites, and Shirley Temple was his favorite actress), eating tons and tons of chocolate (it was like a drug to him), and playing with blocks (I'm not kidding, he often invited diplomats to play with him).

He once got Mussilini to play with a toy cannon in his basement that shot at cardboard cutouts of Allied soldiers.

As more testiment to Hitler's aforementioned batshit insanity, he acted like a 5-year old constantly and threw temper tantrums when things didn't go his way. Also, while it isn't officially documented, it is very well possible that he fucked his own mom. Gross.

Also, it may be interesting to note the following:

-Genghis Khan: born with clump of blood in his hand
-Adolf Hitler: born with one undescended testicle

he was smart but evil. he was the human form of evil.

At 5/15/07 02:53 PM, HighlyIllogical wrote: Not only is much of that information erronious or taken WAY, WAY out of context, it ignores certain problems, such as, oh, yeah:

CONCENTRATION CAMPS, GENOCIDE, EUTHANASIA OF THE MENTALLY ILL AND DISABLED, MURDER OF POLITICAL OPPONENTS, etc.

Do you have any profs to support your claims ?

At 5/19/07 03:16 PM, comi3k wrote:

At 5/15/07 02:53 PM, HighlyIllogical wrote: Not only is much of that information erronious or taken WAY, WAY out of context, it ignores certain problems, such as, oh, yeah:

CONCENTRATION CAMPS, GENOCIDE, EUTHANASIA OF THE MENTALLY ILL AND DISABLED, MURDER OF POLITICAL OPPONENTS, etc.

Do you have any profs to support your claims ?

Aw, look at the little guy, so cute. He's trying to look all objective. As soon as you post any form of source, he's going to go crazy on you about how the holocaust is a jewish lie, and that in all actuality, millions of jews and other minorities really just tripped and all fell into a bottomless pit during WWII.

At 5/19/07 03:16 PM, comi3k wrote: Do you have any profs to support your claims ?

You're kidding, right?

At 5/19/07 03:24 PM, Dr-Worm wrote:

At 5/19/07 03:16 PM, comi3k wrote: Do you have any profs to support your claims ?

You're kidding, right?

this only goes to show how kosher is NG, if I question the holohoax my posts are deleted, but you guys can post anything as degenerate and khazaric as it may be.

And still no solid profs about the so called "holocaust"

At 5/19/07 04:14 PM, comi3k wrote:

And still no solid profs about the so called "holocaust"

Thank you for posting that...

Ever read any of Mengele's "studies"? Ever seen pictures of the corpses? Or of the mutilated children?

What about the Nazi ads for their T-4 program? Huh?

At 5/19/07 04:24 PM, HighlyIllogical wrote:

At 5/19/07 04:14 PM, comi3k wrote:

And still no solid profs about the so called "holocaust"

Thank you for posting that...

Ever read any of Mengele's "studies"? Ever seen pictures of the corpses? Or of the mutilated children?

What about the Nazi ads for their T-4 program? Huh?

FICTION & jewish lies

Fiction and lies? Why would Americans who saw the liberations of the camps lie?

People are finally understanding him. Huzzahs are is order. WHEE!!!

Wow, I never knew that Hitler had refused to attack Britain.
Sometimes I wonder if Germany was really the bad guy in all this.

hitler has done nothing bad for me, but i dont know about you guys. he helped finland in ww2

Hitler was in fact one of the greatest men this planet has ever seen.
when you look at what he has done in his lifetime, it will ammount to several times that of many other people.

now, dont start going on about but those poor jews that got killed. i want you to remember this every time you see a picture of the mass graves, its not just jews in them, germans, french, italian...ect were in them too. throughout history before Hitlers time jews have been killed and made slaves on mass scale due to this little thing called THEY KILLED JESUS, jesus was a jew and they killed him because he was not a warrior that would kill everone but the jews, thats why he started chistianity, the jews are evil (even in early biblical paintings, text, and commmon belief the devil was thought of as a jew). and another reason the jews were killed was because germany at the time was being overrun by jewish shops (that would only hire jews) making it hard for the native people (germans) to earn a living so many lived on the streets like a bum.

i have family that ties my blood into Nazi germany (my great grandfather was in the Waffen-SS, and his brother was the standard soldier). and i'm proud of my pure blood and I am a National Socialist (nazi in basic form for those of you who do not know the correct term for the political group Adolf Hitler was in)

At 5/20/07 10:26 AM, Waffen-SS-88 wrote:

:<loads of bullshit>

Ok, you're a stereotypical idiot (NPD-Wähler?) who just ignores some facts to make his "bullet proof facts" look like something else than bullshit.

1. I don't really want to say anything about "the jews killed jesus". But listen kiddo, what would have happened, if the jews wouldn't have killed jesus? No heaven for us, for he was the so-called lamb of god, remember? Lemme guess, you're Nazi grandpa forgot to mention that. Besides, it is pretty dumb to attempt genocide because of one ALLEGED murder.

2. Another mistake you nationalist jackasses often do: There's a difference between religion and nationality. The jews were German themselves, so your shop-argument (which I dont really dare to call an argument at all) makes no sense.

3. Thank you for ruining the image of us Germans in these forums. I can only hope you're a fake.

LIE #1 --> According to the jewish book, the tahmud, the Romans slaughtered 40 million jews during the siege of Bar Kokhba. There weren't that many jews back then in the whole world.

LIE #2 --> Martin Gilbert (a jew and a holohoax survivor) stated that: "... In the spring and summer of 1942 hundreds of thousands of jews were being gassed every day." . So let us do the math, lets take a minimum of 200.000 jews/day over a period of 4 months (again a minimum) and we'll have over 23 million dead jews. And once again there were't that many jews back then.

LIE #3 --> In 1916 (Im not sure if that was the year) a jewish newspaper claimed that Ukrainians brutally murdered 6 million jews. At that time they were ignored, but after a few decades they said the same lie, this time pointing the finger at Hitler.

Explain that mister jew.

At 5/19/07 03:16 PM, comi3k wrote: Do you have any profs to support your claims ?

Let me see. The concentration and death camps are still standing as proof to what happened.
Eye witneses.
Nazi recordes captured at the end of the war.
Mass graves that were found.

But I bet you are going to say that this is all a lie made up by someone.

At 5/20/07 01:26 PM, comi3k wrote: LIE #1 -->

Source, please? What I've read of the Talmud says nothing about that...

LIE #2 --> Martin Gilbert (a jew and a holohoax survivor) stated that: "... In the spring and summer of 1942 hundreds of thousands of jews were being gassed every day." . So let us do the math, lets take a minimum of 200.000 jews/day over a period of 4 months (again a minimum) and we'll have over 23 million dead jews. And once again there were't that many jews back then.

Hundreds of thousands of people being gassed in the spring and summer of 1942, so, say, April to August of 1942, assuming 100,000 persons per day is about 153 days. 153 times 100,000 is 15 300 000.

This is all irrelevant, though, because his claims don't matter. The fact that 6+ million people were murdered should be enough.

I haven't, by the way, found that Gilbert quote anywhere but on Nazi websites. Bias? Deliberate misquoting? You be the judge of that 'un.

LIE #3 --> In 1916...

Source!!!

No point in arguing with 'em, everyone.

Both com3k and Waffen are both clearly alts. Just look at their profiles and such. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they were the same guy.

Btw, IT'S REALLY NOT ORIGINAL OR FUNNY. Nobody's laughing. Nobody's pissed off. Assuming you're real people, we're just dissapointed that there's still people like you in the world.

At 5/21/07 06:46 PM, Dr-Worm wrote: Both com3k and Waffen are both clearly alts. Just look at their profiles and such. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they were the same guy.

You can always ask a moderator to do an IP check, because I also have my doubts about Waffen-ss-88, like why the mods didn't delete his swastika signature and what self respecting nazi would ever like that american history X crap?

Btw, IT'S REALLY NOT ORIGINAL OR FUNNY. Nobody's laughing. Nobody's pissed off. Assuming you're real people, we're just dissapointed that there's still people like you in the world.

Some of you are really pissed off, and Im glad to know them pissed off and angry screaming "kill the nazi, kill the nazi" , apparently all non-jewish cauasians are nazis, but that's a different story.

One of you asked me if I can back up my claims (even do I asked him to do the same think and he ignored me), so here it is: www.jewwatch.com

To be clear on this: I DONT HATE JEWS, but dont like them at all. I have got to know a lot of them and they acted like the scum of the earth, worst than that. Once while I was waiting in a hotel some old guys showed up and started talking in english things like "hate it here, let's bomb this place, kill everybody around" and things like that using the F**K word on and on. After they left, the girl working at the reception told us to ignore them because they are from israel, and that israeli tourists have done worst things in the past.
And the worst thing I dont like about jews is the fact they go all over the world to preach tolerance while in their own country they act racist and support government fascism.

Hitler was great.

At 5/22/07 07:43 AM, LastSpartan wrote:
Why is it people always jump to conclusions when it comes to these so-called 'concentration camps'? Hitler wasn't in charge of the camps, Hienrich Himmler, Hitler's 2nd-in-command, was, and even then, Hitler wasn't aware of the camps, if they existed, until 1943.

The first concentration camps were built up in the eary/mid-30ies in order to lock political opponents down. And Hitler knew about them.

And the world domination theory is pure propaganda/bullshit. Hitler was pissed off because Germany's lands were taken away from them after WW1. Hitler wanted more land for his people. Consider the following: At the break of WW2, Germany's population was 60 million, and they lived in a country smaller than the coast of New South Wales, Australia. They were cramped, over-populated for their land mass. Hitler wanted to expand German borders so his people wern't cramped in the one place.

Today even more Germans live in an even smaller country, and still no one died of claustrophobia. Strange, isn't it?

What bothers me is that people think that Hitler had a major craving to spill the blood of all Jews, ie kill every last one. If this were true, explain to me why Hitler didn't send bombers and troops to Jerusalem, or modern-day Israel in general to clean them up, hmm?

Because they killed jews only in conquered areas. Bombings wouldn't even have been efficient enough. But you're probably partly right, he didn't want to kill all jews, but all that lived on land he had reserved for his nation.

It really disgusts me how people see the German Army as a bunch of evil bastards who killed anyone they wanted. If anything they were the most honorable army of the war.(...)

I agree on the first point, I had relatives there, too. I don't know if they were the most honorable, but definitely more honorable than the Sowjets.

:And a few houses down in the same street, lived a family of wealthy Jews (they're all wealthy), and they fed their dogs fresh meat, while my grandfather would be lucky to get stale bread for dinner.

Envy + Time + Bad Memory = Exaggeration. Probably, at least. And believe it or not, i know a jew who isn't wealthy!

It disgusts me to think the German's were the animals during World War II. The Russian's killed many Jew's themselves, but we don't hear the Jews complain about that. Many Balkan countries did the same thing, during the war, and afterwoods. You won't hear any of it though, as they say, the losers of the wars never writes the history. The Allied forces, America, Britain, Russia, France; they could write whatever they want, making it sound is good or bad as they like... with a little influence from powerful Jewish members of society.

Correct, but about the jew thing again: Face it, there are some influeantial jews in high American class, but even more Christians. I was always wondering when the first jew would start talking about a Christian world conspiracy. :D And Russia was surely not influenced by jews, because as you said, they killed them themselves. And if no one of us hears about the bad things the Allies did, why do you know that?

:kinda paradox, isn't it?

At 5/22/07 09:43 AM, LastSpartan wrote:

Your claustrophobia comment is utter nonsense. Technology, as well as foreign trade, has helped modern Germany thrive and be able to sustain it's population, remember, Germany was still a bad guy during the 30s.

You know I was joking about claustrophobia, I just wanted to state that your given reason for starting a war, the many people and the small country, isn't reasonable.

By the way, I can't see the reason why everybody is dividing e.g. Germans and Jews. These Jews were also Germans, many even honored in WWI. The thought of Hitler that they did not belong to him was a also today common misbelief. You just said "Jews" on the one hand and "native people" on the other hand. For Central Europe one cannot such say such things that easily. Who is native where? Through all the history of migration, no one is really native anywhere unless you choose factors for that that have to imply that the jews are native, too. I admit that I don't exactly know when the jews first appeared in Europe, but I'm sure you can tell me.

Oh, and pless tell me where you're getting that Dick Cheney stuff and so on, I will respond to it later since I have to go now.

Oh, and I forgot: I didn't want to tell your Grandfather a liar, I even have one myself who sometimes talks about it. I also didn't want to say we shouldn't listen to elder people, but we shouldn't take everything they say for granted.