global warming is bullshit

[fivepoint]

as we all know, the earth is warming up..

but? guess what! it's NATURAL!!! (shock from small, politically delusional 7-yr olds)

for one...

how did the earth come out of the ice ages without humans around?
global warming

believe it or not, the liberal media funds scientists to falsify information, then publish the information to the idiots at news crews who'll believe anything they hear

for example (again...) when the earth was 3 degrees warmer (during medieval times) people did better then they do now! and yet, that time period isn't even IN the global warming charts put out by the liberal media...

still don't believe me? read the book Global Warming Happens Every 1500 Years Whether You Like it or Not
it was written by a group of scientists that did some research on global warming WITHOUT being funded by any political group...

[MegGriffin]

My teacher said when he was in high school. The scientist said that there was going to be a global cooling because it was getting colder. Globing cooling never happen so he doesnt believe global warming either. I dont fully believe its true but we dont entirely know yet.

[fivepoint]

At 5/13/07 02:46 PM, MegGriffin wrote: My teacher said when he was in high school. The scientist said that there was going to be a global cooling because it was getting colder. Globing cooling never happen so he doesnt believe global warming either. I dont fully believe its true but we dont entirely know yet.

errm... i just said.. it DOES happen, but it's not are fault, yet the liberals continue to talk bullshit and hide behind corrupted scientists who don't know what the fuck they are doing :|

[RaTinuth]

I would first like to point out that CO2 levels are about ten times what they have been for the last.. oh.. six hundred thousand years. CO2 is a Greenhouse Gas, which traps temperature in the atmosphere. If its ten times what it has been at any point in the last six hundred thousand years, its painfully obvious that the temperature is going to go up.

I would also like to point out that this is indeed a problem, mostly because as of right now, we don't have any realistic solutions. Now before you say smart cars, or solar panels or Ethanol or whatever, let me explain. Smart cars are great, but they're expensive. If you're going to tell Jack Hillbilly he can't drive his pickup truck and instead has to buy an environmentally friendly little crap car, he's going to tell you to go to hell.

Solar panels are also great, but to be honest, the cost to make one is a hell of a lot of energy. I believe that the solar panels we have now only produce about 60% of the energy over their lifetime that it takes to make them, therefore wasting energy you could have put somewhere else.

Nuclear plants are also good too, but, we're probably going to run out of room to put that depleted fuel because that is dangerous for a few hundred thousand years... How about we load that stuff into cheap rockets and shoot it at the moon? That would work, no one wants to live on the moon, and hell, I doubt anyone would really care, the moon is just a spherical rock that orbits out planet. Sure its nice during the night, I doubt people would care if its a radioactive wasteland, instead of just a normal wasteland.

But hey, what do I know? Energy is going to be a problem, because emissions are slowly going to cook the planet. Sure, it won't happen for a couple of hundred years, but when those poor saps look back, they're going to say: "Damn, those people were bloody idiots."

[MegGriffin]

Liberals are crazy sometimes. But when it comes to global warming they do all types of crazy shit to save the Earth. How is smelling your own farts gonna help stop global warming. I think it might be just some kind of fetish instead.

[fivepoint]

At 5/13/07 02:53 PM, RaTinuth wrote: I would first like to point out that CO2 levels are about ten times what they have been for the last.. oh.. six hundred thousand years. CO2 is a Greenhouse Gas, which traps temperature in the atmosphere. If its ten times what it has been at any point in the last six hundred thousand years, its painfully obvious that the temperature is going to go up.

I would also like to point out that this is indeed a problem, mostly because as of right now, we don't have any realistic solutions. Now before you say smart cars, or solar panels or Ethanol or whatever, let me explain. Smart cars are great, but they're expensive. If you're going to tell Jack Hillbilly he can't drive his pickup truck and instead has to buy an environmentally friendly little crap car, he's going to tell you to go to hell.

But hey, what do I know? Energy is going to be a problem, because emissions are slowly going to cook the planet. Sure, it won't happen for a couple of hundred years, but when those poor saps look back, they're going to say: "Damn, those people were bloody idiots."

like i said... read the person's book... it explains everything...
like YOU said, not for another hundred years or so will it be a major problem, yet the liberals fund commercials saying "now or never" or some other bullshit...

oh and buy the way... the average temp of the planet has gone up 0.1 degrees in the past decade, yet people are calling armageddon!!

[pyro-leprechaun]

Actually it has gone up 1 degree, and although that may not sound like a lot, the environment is balanced just perfectly, and even a small change can have dire consequences. That one degree is heating glaciers up just enough for them to start to melt. Antarctica has already had some very large ice shelves break off, and if we keep going on as we are it'll flood huge swathes of land, and kill hundreds of millions, if not billions, of people.

[fivepoint]

At 5/13/07 03:17 PM, pyro-leprechaun wrote: Actually it has gone up 1 degree, and although that may not sound like a lot, the environment is balanced just perfectly, and even a small change can have dire consequences. That one degree is heating glaciers up just enough for them to start to melt. Antarctica has already had some very large ice shelves break off, and if we keep going on as we are it'll flood huge swathes of land, and kill hundreds of millions, if not billions, of people.

but is that going to happen in the near future? no
so don't worry about it right now!!!
and read those guys' book, it'll help
oh and, if the environment is balanced, how do you explain ice ages?

[pyro-leprechaun]

We may not know how long it'll take, 50, 100 years, i don't know. But if we don't start now it will most likely be to late. When do you WANT to start taking action against it? By the time continents start flooding and people dying, it'll be MUCH too late. The environment NEVER changes 1 degree in 100 years time on it's own. 100 years is a blink of an eye to the Earth. It took 2 MILLION years to go from the beginning of the last ice age to now, and technically we're still in it! At the rate the environment's changing now, in 2 millions years the temperature of the earth would go up TWENTY THOUSAND DEGREES. We'd all be long dead by then, if that makes you any happier.

[pyro-leprechaun]

Oh, and by the way. I searched "Global Warming Happens Every 1500 Years Whether You Like it or Not" exactly the way you typed it on Google, and nothing came up.

[LordJaric]

Yes global warming is natural event, but what we are doing is speeding the process up.

[emmytee]

What you are talking about is "the earth heating up", which is not the same phenomenon which the phrase "global warming" usually describes. It heated up for a reason then and to just assume that its the same reason now is bad science.

[fahrenheit]

At 5/13/07 03:48 PM, pyro-leprechaun wrote: The environment NEVER changes 1 degree in 100 years time on it's own.

The earth isnt some fragile eco-system that never changes.

100 years is a blink of an eye to the Earth. It took 2 MILLION years to go from the beginning of the last ice age to now,

Try about 300 years.

[SirLebowski]

Well. It doesn't matter now anyway. There is no preventing it, should it happen.

[AapoJoki]

OK, what possible motivation would liberals have to deliberately pass false information on global warming? What benefits could there possibly be for anyone, if we started to do the things we have to slow down global warming, other than saving the nature?

[fivepoint]

At 5/13/07 04:52 PM, AapoJoki wrote: OK, what possible motivation would liberals have to deliberately pass false information on global warming? What benefits could there possibly be for anyone, if we started to do the things we have to slow down global warming, other than saving the nature?

my point exactly, it serves no "greater good" to lie and make eco-friendly fuel sources skyrocket in price, all for the sake of making the president look like an idiot...

[fivepoint]

At 5/13/07 03:59 PM, pyro-leprechaun wrote: Oh, and by the way. I searched "Global Warming Happens Every 1500 Years Whether You Like it or Not" exactly the way you typed it on Google, and nothing came up.

that's probably because the book is so new; either that, or it's censored by liberals :U

highly doubt they would resort to communist stuff do hide the info though

[UWDarDar17]

Are you perhaps thinking of the book "UNSTOPPABLE GLOBAL WARMING: Every 1,500 Years", by S. Fred Singer and Dennis T. Avery? There's no book with the title you gave.

And, no offense, but the title you gave is kind of crappy. I mean, no one would ever buy a book with a title like that. It's gotta have a catchy title, like "Earth in the Balance". Or the more popular, "Harry Potter and the Balance of Earth".

I for one do believe that while some global warming is natural, and it is a part of the natural heating and cooling cycle of Earth, human activities are accelerating and aggravating that warming effect to a degree not seen before. The trouble is that we have never recorded a temperature increase of any nominal measure before, and we're not quite sure what could happen.

Most scientists agree that global warming is happening. Yes, there are one or two skeptics, but the overwhelming majority have looked at the data and agree that global warming is occuring. You would have to be some sort of idiot not to believe that the temperature has risen on average, globally.

The debate lies in the results. If the sea levels rise, how much? Some say five meters, some say 15, some say more than 20. What are the effects of climate change? Will tropical jungles spread north towards Kansas? Will things be slightly warmer, endangering only the arctic and antartic species like polar bears or penguins? Questions like this are the real source of global warming debate in the scientific community, not whether or not warming is actually occuring.

Also remember, global warming does not result in overall hotter weather, everywhere. Global warming means that the average temperature around the world increases. Hotter climates and seasons become hotter, colder seasons and climates may become colder or not change. Weather patterns become more erratic. If you've been around the midwestern or northeastern United States this past winter, you've got some idea about how messed up it can be. One day, it can be beautiful 60 degree weather, you're out in the sun. Two days later, you've got a six inches or more of snow on the ground.

We must then come to the heart of the question: should we try to do something about it? The majority of scientists agree that our activities have an additive effect on global warming. If global warming has negative affects on our way of life, with rising ocean levels, extinction of species, increasing droughts, and overall uncertainty about the future of our world in terms of climate and weather, why should it be ignored? If we have the ability to develop technologies that reduce the impact humans have on the environment, should we not develop those technologies?

When we discovered the dangers of CFCs, the world agreed that something had to be done. Surely, we have taken excellent measures to protect the ozone layer. When we discovered the cancerous dangers of asbestos, we took it out of our buildings and stopped using it in most construction. Banning DDT, reducing the number of coal plants, the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act- for years, America and the world has taken action to protect the environment. Why the hell are we having so much trouble with this now?

I believe that we have an obligation to leave the planet better than we found it, to improve upon the work of previous generations, so that our children can live in a better world, and hopefully do the same. In this spirit, perhaps we should take the effort to try and clean up the environment, reduce carbon emmissions, and perhaps preserve this planet.

[DarKnight920]

I agree with every single word you have just posted. My history teachers touches that topic every week at least once, he basically told us most of what you just typed up.

This problem doesn't concern us but it touches the life of next generations. We humans are like cancer taking up all the resources from the territory we live in and leaving it trashed. If we could help the enviroment by buying hybrid cars or using wind and solar power instead of fuel sources that hurt the Ozone Layer.

[fli]

There's no doubt that the world will change.
That natural warming occurs.

But this warming is the result of our pollution because it's not happening "natually."

Only reason why people doubt it is for greed--
and laziness
and maybe fear.

[HighlyIllogical]

For true, for true.

Global warming is irrefutable, but it's not unavoidable.

[fivepoint]

At 5/13/07 07:56 PM, UWDarDar17 wrote: Are you perhaps thinking of the book "UNSTOPPABLE GLOBAL WARMING: Every 1,500 Years", by S. Fred Singer and Dennis T. Avery? There's no book with the title you gave.

really?

then my science teacher lied...

[Dr-Worm]

At 5/13/07 03:20 PM, fivepoint wrote: but is that going to happen in the near future? no
so don't worry about it right now!!!

It's not an immediate thing, it's a slow burn. We can't just 100 years from now all of a sudden stop global warming. We have to start now because it'll take a lot of time to fix.

[fahrenheit]

i wish someone would actually post real proof that humans cause global warming

so i wouldnt feel like a dick when i say i dont believe in global warming, and everyone else says "but al gore tells us its true!"

[UWDarDar17]

Believe it or not, Wikipedia's article on the subject is not half bad, and makes things very easy to understand. If you don't care for reading Wikipedia, click their citations for the article and read the documents.

[TheMason]

At 5/13/07 02:53 PM, RaTinuth wrote: I would first like to point out that CO2 levels are about ten times what they have been for the last.. oh.. six hundred thousand years. CO2 is a Greenhouse Gas, which traps temperature in the atmosphere. If its ten times what it has been at any point in the last six hundred thousand years, its painfully obvious that the temperature is going to go up.

Actually according to this graph CO2 levels were higher than they are now about 140,000-110,000 years ago. This was a natural occurance. Furthermore, this also shows that the current spike in CO2 levels began a little over 15,000 years ago, well before human civilization...much less the industrial revolution...

I would also like to point out that this is indeed a problem, mostly because as of right now, we don't have any realistic solutions. Now before you say smart cars, or solar panels or Ethanol or whatever, let me explain. Smart cars are great, but they're expensive. If you're going to tell Jack Hillbilly he can't drive his pickup truck and instead has to buy an environmentally friendly little crap car, he's going to tell you to go to hell.

Actually I've long advocated taking the liberal's thinking on gun control and using it on cars. "Jack Hillbilly" probably has legitimate reasons for owning a pickup truck running from building the structures that provide you shelter and your mommy & daddy a place to go to work so they can afford to buy you a computer. Or "Jack Hillbilly" may need it to grow & raise the food you eat.

However, it is the people in the Suburbs and Urban areas that do not need Escalades, Suburbans or Explorers. So I say only let the hicks drive SUV type vehicles.

Furthermore there are no good reasons for anyone to own an assualt car...you know like Mustangs or other sports car. No one other than farmers or cops need something with an engine larger than a 4 cylinder.

But hey, what do I know?

Not much...

[Bolo]

At 5/13/07 03:20 PM, fivepoint wrote: but is that going to happen in the near future? no
so don't worry about it right now!!!
and read those guys' book, it'll help
oh and, if the environment is balanced, how do you explain ice ages?

That kind of nearsighted bullshit is what's ruining the world. If it really is a problem, we need to do something about it now while we have the chance rather than being a bunch of lazy-ass procrastinators, and say "Oh, it's not our problem, let our grandkids deal with it."

Ice ages are often cause by cataclysmic shifts from either space-borne objects or changes to earth's own magnetic field. The environment is balanced, and in order to keep it in balance, certain occurances must go down in a specific hierarchy of magnitude.

By offsetting the natural order, you are effectively destroying the precedent of a balanced, AND constantly shifting environment by introducing a new element. The Human Element, some might say.

I'm not tellng you whether or not I think Global Warming is true, I'm telling you we need to investigate the possibilty, seeing as evidence has begun to point in that direction.

[Korriken]

At 5/13/07 03:59 PM, pyro-leprechaun wrote: Oh, and by the way. I searched "Global Warming Happens Every 1500 Years Whether You Like it or Not" exactly the way you typed it on Google, and nothing came up.

google is a liberal search engine. they constantly censor non liberal pages.

Perhaps this is the book he speaks of, its fairly new.

[UWDarDar17]

At 5/14/07 12:28 AM, Korriken wrote: google is a liberal search engine. they constantly censor non liberal pages.

Perhaps this is the book he speaks of, its fairly new.

At 5/13/07 07:56 PM, UWDarDar17 wrote: Are you perhaps thinking of the book "UNSTOPPABLE GLOBAL WARMING: Every 1,500 Years", by S. Fred Singer and Dennis T. Avery? There's no book with the title you gave.

I found that by using Google, an apparently liberal search engine. Yeah. Read the whole topic before you post. Makes you seem less foolish.

[Memorize]

At 5/14/07 12:20 AM, Bolo wrote:

I'm not tellng you whether or not I think Global Warming is true, I'm telling you we need to investigate the possibilty, seeing as evidence has begun to point in that direction.

All with models that can't even accurately predict weather a week from now!

HUZZAH!!!