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At 5/10/07 01:07 PM, emmytee wrote:

Yeah, I mean the guy did much better things than any tory has for the country since the dawn of time. If he'd just kept a healthy distance from the republican party he'd have been remembered as one of the best. I actually agree with most of his policies, hell even 3 out of 4 of his mllitary interventions were fine. But then no-one ever talks about them, and I guess its kinda easy to forget he has done plenty of good things.

Yeah, I kinda agree with you, It has certainly over-shadowed his foreign policies. And yes he has done much better than previous tory governments, i.e John Major and the last years of Thatcher.

At 5/11/07 09:39 AM, emmytee wrote:

At 5/10/07 07:32 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

How much is it in America? Cause for the poor old english it comes to like 3000P/A fees, + 2500 P/A housing then food and stuff. Thats like $13000 a year.

13000 American or 13000 British Pounds.

State Universities( Public Universities) vary by state. Massachusetts is roughly 18000 for an instate student(this is everything; housing, tuiton etc etc)

And thats just Public ones.

Privates ones can range from the low 20k all the way to the low 40k for colleges like Harvard and Yale.

At 5/11/07 01:14 PM, LegendaryLukus wrote:

Surely you can't really believe that? Iraq is pretty much unwinnable, as the US government knows all too well.

Heh, you're such the typical liberal moron. Weak, pathetic, willing to lose to anyone and prove Al Queda right. I guess it's because deep down, you secretly want more soldiers to die just so you can come out with and push your agenda even further. Haha.

Hell, how can the Iraq war be unwinnable when you have barely over 0.5% of being killed? Haha!

At 5/11/07 12:54 PM, Dre-Man wrote:

Iraq is the biggest military failure in the history of the Unites States.

You can't even accurately read the constitution. Why should I care what you think?

At 5/11/07 11:10 PM, Memorize wrote: Heh, you're such the typical liberal moron. Weak, pathetic, willing to lose to anyone and prove Al Queda right. I guess it's because deep down, you secretly want more soldiers to die just so you can come out with and push your agenda even further. Haha.

Hell, how can the Iraq war be unwinnable when you have barely over 0.5% of being killed? Haha!

Keep telling yourself these things, it they bring you comfort. It may suprise you, but I actually don't want our soldiers killed for my own supposed agenda. Things could in fact get much much worse if they leave Iraq, but they will leave eventually, whether or not they've 'won'.

At 5/11/07 03:52 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

13000 American or 13000 British Pounds.

State Universities( Public Universities) vary by state. Massachusetts is roughly 18000 for an instate student(this is everything; housing, tuiton etc etc)

And thats just Public ones.

Privates ones can range from the low 20k all the way to the low 40k for colleges like Harvard and Yale.

American dollars. Jesus Christ lol, you Americans sure have your fair share of elitism. You get any help from the government? In Scotland I pay for housing and food, no fees and I get a loan based on my income off the government ($1800 a year for me). I pay like $9000 a year...Ish. And thats for ALL universities here.

Back on topic...

All in all, I don't think Blair was that bad, America and Britain have stood up for what they believe in, which is what America has been doing ever since WWII. Now that being said, yes the whole WMD shit was pretty moronic, and the war was incredibly badly handled, but hey, at least we haven't pissed off and left a country in ruins yet.

Economy has been awesome, most of what he promised didn't really materialise, but are we really that worse off after him? Sure I'm pissed off about tuition fees, I'm off to uni this october but everyone else in the world pays them.

In the end, I'd rather have Blair than Cameron , although the conservatives in my local constituency are good.

I dont know why the US went into Iraq in the first place. Their fight is still in Afganistan.
It was Al queda that attacked the US and by going into Iraq they have given them a chance to regrow and recruit and train more fighters.

The US already know Iraq is more trouble than its worth. Why do you think they didnt go in they pulled out at this point and left the Shiites to Saddam.

For the same mistake they wanted to avoid, that they find themself in now.

Honestly I dont care or feel which other way about the whole thing.
My opinion the US and everyothre contry should keep to their own business and concentrait on their own problems before messing in other peoples business.
They should have let Iraqies overthrow saddam themselves, oppressed people have a good track record of rising against the oppressor.

How better do you think peoples conteries would be if they, instead of spending money fighting forign wars, spent it on their own people.

Anyway all of which is off-topic.

My opinion of Tony blair is half and half. I dont think he should have allied with the US its their fight not ours.
And in doing so dragged us into it. However if he allied with him after we got attacked then I would agree with that, because then it would be our fight.

But honestly He could have done a lot more for the english education system.
I was probaly only 10 at the time or something but I do remember their "Education, Education, Education" Thing.

And I think he let england down with that.

Thank god I live in Scotland. We have a great system in place here and I can honestly say my future would be crap without it, I wouldnt be where I am today.
I would probaly have to work in McDonalds or something like that.

Instead a year from now I will be graduation Uni and will be able to get a half decent job.

As for crime, a dont know just seems to be getting worse and worse these days.
Their are hoping thes fix everything solutions like ASBOs will work when clearly they dont.
They think young people are misunderstood when clearly they are sneaky and know what they can get away with.

Let parents smack their kids.... They need it and if they know why they are being punished, its an effective way to control them.

I base that on myself and my yonuger sister. I have some respect and she has none.
Shes a spoilt brat, and theirs nothing worst than that.

:)

At 5/12/07 08:24 AM, emmytee wrote:

At 5/11/07 03:52 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

American dollars. Jesus Christ lol, you Americans sure have your fair share of elitism. You get any help from the government? In Scotland I pay for housing and food, no fees and I get a loan based on my income off the government ($1800 a year for me). I pay like $9000 a year...Ish. And thats for ALL universities here.

Student Aid varies and depends on your families income.

You also can get a plethora of scholarships, aid packages and the College may also offer you aid packages if your good enough.

Military will also pay full tution too if you enlist.

Really, it's the private market that actually keeps most people in college in this country.

Nicely summed up, Tone: "I did what I thought was right."

This ignored two minor things:
1.) You did what you were told.
2.) A lot of serial killers use that same reasoning.

In fact, two civil servants were jailed last week for leaking a Government e-mail at the time of Fallujah, and their defence in court was that they believed they did what was right. They got six months.

As Ian Hislop said on HIGNFY, everything he said was the opposite of what he's done: he didn't make Britain a leader, but a follower (for example). And as for his legacy, don't get me started on that one.

Still, can't wait for June 27 - the bubbly's on ice.
No, wait, he isn't worth the price of a bottle of champaign. Make that a bottle of Lambrini.
No, wait, that's what Fiorst Year Film & Lit girl students drink.
RIGHT!
Make it a bottle of sparkling dessert wine from the nearest supermarket, then!

At 5/12/07 10:16 AM, D2Kvirus wrote:

In fact, two civil servants were jailed last week for leaking a Government e-mail at the time of Fallujah, and their defence in court was that they believed they did what was right. They got six months.

You don't leak government information.

You're comparisons are piss poor at best, which they usually are.

At 5/11/07 01:14 PM, LegendaryLukus wrote: Surely you can't really believe that? Iraq is pretty much unwinnable, as the US government knows all too well.

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I would like to disagree with that statement.
THe U.S. with it's allies esp. England could win the war in Iraq.
No one is prepared to pay the cost to do so.
Part of the "cost" would be basicly the destruction of the muslim religion, & most of the people who call themselves muslim, that would probably destroy most of the nations in that part of the world as well.

It would be right along the same lines as what the nazi's attempted with the Jewish people during the second world war.

Nobody has the stomach for that kind of destruction, but we do have the ability to make a good job of it.
Hopefully it never comes to pass.

At 5/12/07 12:47 PM, Memorize wrote:
You don't leak government information.

Really? Even if it is in the public interest?

You're comparisons are piss poor at best, which they usually are.

You mean I have to wait for him to go on trial at The Hague and use the same defence before I can bring it up?

As usual, your replies are piss weak.

At 5/12/07 02:38 PM, D2Kvirus wrote:

Really? Even if it is in the public interest?

Haha, I love you people.

Public Interest? The people don't deserve anything.

As usual, your replies are piss weak.

Heh, you're just another filthy leftist who has no idea what he's talking about. It's so typical. Just because public interest is being a treasonous coward, doesn't mean i'm going to become one of you.

At 5/12/07 02:41 PM, Memorize wrote:

At 5/12/07 02:38 PM, D2Kvirus wrote:

Really? Even if it is in the public interest?

Haha, I love you people.

Public Interest? The people don't deserve anything.

Somehow I had this sort of answer in mind when responding to your last post. Does that make me Derren Brown, or you an all-too obvious to read jackass with pretentions of idiocy?

As usual, your replies are piss weak.

Heh, you're just another filthy leftist who has no idea what he's talking about. It's so typical. Just because public interest is being a treasonous coward, doesn't mean i'm going to become one of you.

OK, that makes you a jackass with pretentions of idicy...with a non-too healty side-dish of being a right-wing dickheaded spammer.

Damn, I was looking forward to being Derren Brown for a while...

At 5/12/07 02:51 PM, D2Kvirus wrote:

Somehow I had this sort of answer in mind when responding to your last post. Does that make me Derren Brown, or you an all-too obvious to read jackass with pretentions of idiocy?

You know what I don't get? Using the same sentence to insult someone twice right next to each other.

OK, that makes you a jackass with pretentions of idicy

See what I mean?

with a non-too healty side-dish of being a right-wing dickheaded spammer.

I'm on topic aren't I? I responded to you didn't I?

Heh, spammer.

Use your brain for a second and think: What are civilians going to do with government information? Why does the government keep certain operations a secret? Why would you want to give potentially important information to the entire populace of the United States (most of which who do not care)?

Let it sink in for minute.

At 5/12/07 03:20 PM, Memorize wrote:

At 5/12/07 02:51 PM, D2Kvirus wrote:

Somehow I had this sort of answer in mind when responding to your last post. Does that make me Derren Brown, or you an all-too obvious to read jackass with pretentions of idiocy?

You know what I don't get? Using the same sentence to insult someone twice right next to each other.

Wow, that means your level of intellect is lower than I expected...

OK, that makes you a jackass with pretentions of idicy

See what I mean?

...obviously you haven't worked out the concept of proving the point, so it has to be confirmed - although it wasn't repeated as it had additions (and I'm disappointed you didn't flame my typo)...

with a non-too healty side-dish of being a right-wing dickheaded spammer.

I'm on topic aren't I? I responded to you didn't I?

...with the usual sort of garbage I've read 26,324 times...

Heh, spammer.

Use your brain for a second and think: What are civilians going to do with government information? Why does the government keep certain operations a secret? Why would you want to give potentially important information to the entire populace of the United States (most of which who do not care)?

...to the point I can't be bothered to see if you have anything to say...

Let it sink in for minute.

...unlikely as it is.

At 5/12/07 01:03 PM, morefngdbs wrote: Part of the "cost" would be basicly the destruction of the muslim religion, & most of the people who call themselves muslim, that would probably destroy most of the nations in that part of the world as well.
Hopefully it never comes to pass.

Exactly, we're dealing with a group of people who do not want us there and have proven in the past will do whatever it takes to expel invaders. It is a bad situation, no doubt, but we aren't making it any better.

At 5/12/07 02:41 PM, Memorize wrote: just another filthy leftist

I'm amazed that your main insult of peoples ideas is you think they're left wing. There's nothing wrong with being on either side of the spectrum ( as long as you don't stray so far you're into the extremes ), and it shouldn't be used as an insult.

At 5/10/07 04:28 PM, Earfetish wrote: Anyone can have a good economy,

Economies aren't shake and bake, man. Not everyone can have a good one, a lot don't. The effects right and left wing policies make on the economy here in the U.S make huge difference. The world doesn't operate on mercantilism anymore.

We're less safe in the world, a far more ridiculous-looking world power, the ethnic unity we were reaching a few years back is a distant dream and far right parties are getting votes

The greatest disallusionment crafted by left-wing politics is that we are less safe in the world today. During the years building up to 9-11 were many instances of failed diplomacy. People mistake these years as ones of peace, because we made honest efforts to bridge people together. People need to understand that diplomacy doesn't always have the end-all peaceful solution to problems. But we have more of it now in the world than we ever did before. To say we're less safe now is to over-step history.

In short, I don't like Tony Blair.

I actually can empathise with you on that one. I agree with basic policies George Bush supports in Iraq, but can't stand the man for his incomeptency to sell and symbolize the message.