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This is only a theory.

Suppose you had lost the will to live, so you decide to end your life. You purchase a gun, find the most comfortable place to sit down and pull the trigger. But to your dismay, instead of experiencing whatever existence you believe to have after death, you find yourself in terrible agony, bleeding profusely from the wound in your head. Police and medical teams arrive on the scene in a matter of minutes, you are taken to the hospital where you learn you will live to see another day. Now in a psychiatric ward, you ponder to yourself how you managed to live. Surely a shot through the temple would kill you. By some miracle, you have survived what would have ended the lives of 99.99% of others that put themselves in the same scenario.

How could this have happened?

The fact is, you ARE dead. Just not from your point of view.

If you consider that every day you are presented with choices that would ultimately change the course of your life, and that each choice branches off into an alternate universe. For example, you go to the humane society to get a pet, do you buy a dog or a cat? You believe you bought the cat however there is another version of the universe in which you bought the dog, you are just unable to experience it because of the decision you had made. Every decision you make provides an alternate "lifeline" in which you experience the universe. Free will would suggest that there are an infinite number of choices you could make, hence there would be an infinite number of universes.

Now, what are the chances that you survive a shotgun blast to the head? 1 in 10000000000000000? Even less than that? Chance is made completely irrelevant because there is an infinite number of chances that will survive. You could say that you died 4968460560937 times before you experienced the one time you somehow managed to survive.

With death, your consciousness would cease to exist in one universe and would be transferred to the one which you had survived. The people in the previous universe would perceive you to be dead, but because of your consciousness, you are only able to experience surviving the incident and life afterwards.

You are immortal, at least from your point of view.

Immortality sounds good. But consider the horrible disfigurement and agony you are now in because you managed to survive with 1/4 of your head missing. Now suppose you get into a car accident and are terribly maimed, you may die in a number of universes but ultimately you experience survival, and you keep on living, now without your right arm. Eventually you are going to get old and die a peaceful death from natural causes right? You will, but you won't get to experience it. Old age normally would be the end of you, but that heart attack or stroke that killed you 549847347 times before, didn't this time. You will live forever, becoming more and more mutilated, and because of the infinite number of branches that can be created, one leading to your survival, you will never die.

Unfortunately, if any of this is true, we are assured to suffer for eternity.

If you don't understand the theory of alternate universes etc., try reading the following:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_univers es
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_inte rpretation

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So theres an alternate reality where I'm getting sex constantly? Pwn.


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At 5/9/07 08:23 PM, Lagatag wrote: So theres an alternate reality where I'm getting sex constantly? Pwn.

Possibly.

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Thats awful if your right....

i think im going to be sick

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At 5/9/07 08:23 PM, Lagatag wrote: So theres an alternate reality where I'm getting sex constantly? Pwn.

Thats what I want

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At 5/9/07 08:23 PM, Lagatag wrote: So theres an alternate reality where I'm getting sex constantly? Pwn.

So there's an alternate reality where I'm getting constant sex? Own.

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Two Words.

Impossiblility Drive.


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At 5/9/07 08:25 PM, Rague wrote: Two Words.

Impossiblility Drive.

I put "This is only a theory" At the top.. Can you read?

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ya i heard of some guy who wanted to kill himself and he drank rat posion was gona hang himself and shoot himself and he jumpe off a cliff and he missed the shot and shot the rope where he landed in the ocen and was saved by a fisher and died of hypothermea on the way home

they say the mind twists and bends in order to deal with the horrors of reality i think my mind bent and twisted so much it snapped in two

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At 5/9/07 08:24 PM, Tramps wrote:
At 5/9/07 08:23 PM, Lagatag wrote: So theres an alternate reality where I'm getting sex constantly? Pwn.
So there's an alternate reality where I'm getting constant sex? Own.

Thanks for posting the exact same thing as me faggot.

but zomG I cheangd teh 2 wr0ds around and aded teh apostroffee! and maid pwn into own!


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Thats deep man.

anyway, im not 100% sure, but i think the correct term you're looking for is alternate dimension, as apposed to alternate universe. An alternate universe is just another place far, far away that had a different bang than our big bang (if such a place exists since the universe may just repeat itself infinantly) where as another dimension is an alternate reality to ours. but like i said, im not completely sure.


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At 5/9/07 08:27 PM, shadow-king94 wrote: ya i heard of some guy who wanted to kill himself and he drank rat posion was gona hang himself and shoot himself and he jumpe off a cliff and he missed the shot and shot the rope where he landed in the ocen and was saved by a fisher and died of hypothermea on the way home

..And that has anything to do with alternate universes how? (I wish smart people would post instead of these idiots)

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At least it's only a theory.


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sounds insane


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Wasn't this in a book or something?

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OMFG!!! YOU'RE RIGHT!!! That is so f*ckin creepy! What if we all never di3? We keep living andwe suffer and suffer and dont want to live any more but there is nothign we can do. This is EXTREMLY creepin me out, because who knwos is this is actually tryu or not? You did an excellent job at explaining it to. By the sounds, I take it you liek science and believe in aliens and shit liek that? Pm me if u have ne more interesting theorys XD


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Imporbability Drive.

Also, I don't want to live forever.

wait, theres a universe where I do...
oshi-

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So... if I die then I'll have a chance to go into a universe where I have the strenght of 500 men on steroids, a penis of twice the size, and constant, non-stop sex?

Must... resist... urge... to commit... sucidide...

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At 5/9/07 08:35 PM, Hellian00 wrote: Imporbability Drive.

Also, I don't want to live forever.

wait, theres a universe where I do...
oshi-

Yep.The sad truth.

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woh.. massive trip. why would you think of somthing as dismal as that ?

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Yes, but the main point of the theory is it's downfall. The infinite universes. If you have the proof for these it could be true, but since there is none, I refuse to believe it.

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But if you instantly transfer to another universe, you'd have all the same attributes as that universe had and caused before you exist there. So when you blow your head off with a shotgun in one universe, you could either go to one where you survive, or one where you decide not to pull the trigger.

In that way, I see a flaw in your ideas. There's no guarentee you'd get the shitty outcome every time.

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i think my brain just died....

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Ah, I get it. The decisions you make in life determines the alternate universse you enter. Interesting.

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So there could be an alternate reality where my family's business is fucking successful, and I am rich, and that Bush is doing a great job in Iraq and Afghanistan?

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I pity my other molested selves :(
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At 5/9/07 08:21 PM, FULLMETALHOBO21 wrote:
The fact is, you ARE dead. Just not from your point of view.

Don't get it

If you consider that every day you are presented with choices that would ultimately change the course of your life, and that each choice branches off into an alternate universe.

First of all, even if there was an alternative universe, why would our choices and actions interfere with our other dimensions? I can't even grasp the logic of alternate universes of ones self having multiples of each other. Sounds just like another one of those self-centered theories that makes human existance seem less simple and unimportant, like the geocentric theory.

you are just unable to experience it because of the decision you had made. Every decision you make provides an alternate "lifeline" in which you experience the universe. Free will would suggest that there are an infinite number of choices you could make, hence there would be an infinite number of universes.

Okay, so if free will was at work, then again, our alternate selves wouldn't affect our decision making and/or experiences. Even if they did, what is stopping us from experiencing it again? Unless there is some magical "link" or something towards ourselves and our billions of alternative selves, anyone can experience whatever the fuck they want regardless of what your former self experienced.

Chance is made completely irrelevant because there is an infinite number of chances that will survive. You could say that you died 4968460560937 times before you experienced the one time you somehow managed to survive.

I thought about this one for a while and the idea is sort of plausible.


With death, your consciousness would cease to exist in one universe and would be transferred to the one which you had survived. The people in the previous universe would perceive you to be dead, but because of your consciousness, you are only able to experience surviving the incident and life afterwards.

Again, there's a gap of information that leads to how we are all connected. Also, if we are in billions of dimensions or whatever all at once, our minds couldn't handle all of the choice making, therefore if your mind WAS connected to already experienced events, then are you choosing to re experience?

Unfortunately, if any of this is true, we are assured to suffer for eternity.

I keep confusing myself with this thought, but, imagine that someone had survived incidents such as shotgun blasts. Other people would have begun to notice extremely bazaar things such as this throughout time since the existence of human. People would have witnessed, and recorded, and since there are plenty of alternative dimensions to ourselves, it would be common to life to witness these things. It's not about yourself experiencing eternal agony and not knowing about it, society would have learned by now if it was actually true.


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You must have great drug connections.


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hmmm... interesting theory. I have to disagree with it, as

1. if it were true, there would be people in our experiential lives who are ancient and horribly disfigured. I haven't seen many thousand year-old cripples. not living anyway.

2. the possibility of multiple universes does not imply that every single action will result in a statistical number of correlary iniverses being created. that would mean that every single event and molecule in the history of time would have spawned an entire universe of possibilities unique from every other. While I cannot disprove the theory, I can't think of any actual observable phenomena that could support it.

3. God, that would be terribly depressing. who the hell would want to live life after life for all eternity, always growing weaker and more crippled. My thirdc ground for disagreeing is simply that i find the notion repulsive.

otherwise, interesting paradox.


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This reminds me of Chrono Cross.


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