If we run out of oil...

[Zoraxe7]

Can this happen if we run out of stuf like oil and gassoline.
First the price of oil will increase as we have less and less oil and other such fossil fuels. Then countries will start to look for such fuels in places such as wildlife preserves, gee i dont know same place like... Alaska. Then countries will start to fight with each other over the natural resources.

Now we are searching for alternate fuel sources, renewable ones, but what if we dont?
We would have to switch to electeric every thing, cars, trains, but in order to do that we nead a lot more nuclear power plants (stuf like wind and water power does not do enuf to fit our electric diet). Of coarse nuclear power plants cost a lot of money.

Things powered by electricity would get a lot more expensive and taxes would go up and up in order to fund the power plants. Eventuly cars will dissapear due to them being not worth the cost.

People have to work with-in bikeing distance of there homes and the majority of people would have to farm in ordor to live, an education would be worthless and desk jobs would be rare (no city jobs except for factory workers).

There would be a larg # of people being farmers so the worth of food would be very low, therefor farmers would be very poor.

But we have science, how can that help?
pestecides and herbicides would be used by farmers in order to increase their crop yeild so they can make some money (paradoxaly causing crops to be more worthless).

Some bacteria would become ressistant to the pesticides and a larg food crisis will imearge.
Farmers would be wiped out in a wave of starvation and poverty in a world made up of mostly farmers.

Moderate governments will fall apart and replaced with radical governments promising relife for the weary people, such as totalitarian facists and communist goverments.

The end, got any comments? any thing ya like to add?

[EndGameOmega]

At 5/8/07 05:37 PM, Zoraxe7 wrote: Can this happen if we run out of stuf like oil and gassoline.

Proably not. Oil is very important in our society, but it's not irreplaceable.

First the price of oil will increase as we have less and less oil and other such fossil fuels. Then countries will start to look for such fuels in places such as wildlife preserves, gee i dont know same place like... Alaska. Then countries will start to fight with each other over the natural resources.

Countries, are already fighting each other over resources, they all ways have. As for drilling in Alaska, it's actually not that big a deal.

Now we are searching for alternate fuel sources, renewable ones, but what if we dont?

But we already have found alternatives, hell worst case scenario we would just use biodiesel, and electric powered vehicles.

We would have to switch to electeric every thing, cars, trains, but in order to do that we nead a lot more nuclear power plants (stuf like wind and water power does not do enuf to fit our electric diet). Of coarse nuclear power plants cost a lot of money.

Yes, but they can produce relatively cheap power. If we where to face such a crises we would also restart our reprocessing plants further lower the cost (actually it could lower the cost by as much as 85%).

Things powered by electricity would get a lot more expensive and taxes would go up and up in order to fund the power plants. Eventuly cars will dissapear due to them being not worth the cost.

I'm sorry, but I don't see the connection between some of these things. The amount of tax that goes to building and subsiding power plants is minuscule when compared to everything else in the budget. Electric cars should end up getting cheaper (relative to what they where) not more expensive.

People have to work with-in bikeing distance of there homes and the majority of people would have to farm in ordor to live, an education would be worthless and desk jobs would be rare (no city jobs except for factory workers).

Alright, now none of these make much sense, well ok the bikes kind of do, but thats it. Why would people be forced to farm? A farm would be more efficient if it was very large, and automated, personal farms can't do this. Education is always worth something, probably even more so in a resource straped world, so...

There would be a larg # of people being farmers so the worth of food would be very low, therefor farmers would be very poor.

Again, your premise is false so this isn't necessarily true.

But we have science, how can that help?
pestecides and herbicides would be used by farmers in order to increase their crop yeild so they can make some money (paradoxaly causing crops to be more worthless).

Again, false premise.

Some bacteria would become ressistant to the pesticides and a larg food crisis will imearge.
Farmers would be wiped out in a wave of starvation and poverty in a world made up of mostly farmers.

No. First off plant disease are usually limited to one or two types of crops, you might end up with a shortage of something, say bananas for example, but like bananas there's usually more then one strain of the crop. Some of which are undoubtedly immune to the plague. So again no.

Moderate governments will fall apart and replaced with radical governments promising relife for the weary people, such as totalitarian facists and communist goverments.

This is the natural cycle of government and societies. It would happen even with out a mass disaster, though one would speed it along. Hell, we can see it happening in the US, right now.

The end, got any comments? any thing ya like to add?

Intressing lines of thought you have, but I think your over analyzing things.

[Brick-top]

At 5/8/07 05:37 PM, Zoraxe7 wrote: Then countries will start to fight with each other over the natural resources.

Who says it hasn't already happened? cough Iraq war cough

Now we are searching for alternate fuel sources, renewable ones, but what if we dont?
We would have to switch to electeric every thing, cars, trains, but in order to do that we nead a lot more nuclear power plants (stuf like wind and water power does not do enuf to fit our electric diet). Of coarse nuclear power plants cost a lot of money.

Not nessessarily, Hydroelectric, solar etc are all reknewable, and bio fuels are inproduction already.

Things powered by electricity would get a lot more expensive and taxes would go up and up in order to fund the power plants. Eventuly cars will dissapear due to them being not worth the cost.

(Look up)

People have to work with-in bikeing distance of there homes and the majority of people would have to farm in ordor to live, an education would be worthless and desk jobs would be rare (no city jobs except for factory workers).

Well biking to work seems to have more sense when you live in a big city instead of being stuck in traffic when you can swerve around it. You seem to have the idea that when fossil fuels run dry the world is coming to an end.

There would be a larg # of people being farmers so the worth of food would be very low, therefor farmers would be very poor.

(????)

But we have science, how can that help?
pestecides and herbicides would be used by farmers in order to increase their crop yeild so they can make some money (paradoxaly causing crops to be more worthless).

My uncle's a farmer, and he'd call you a jackass if he was reading this.

Some bacteria would become ressistant to the pesticides and a larg food crisis will imearge.

Already happening

Farmers would be wiped out in a wave of starvation and poverty in a world made up of mostly farmers.

Ummmm........

Moderate governments will fall apart and replaced with radical governments promising relife for the weary people, such as totalitarian facists and communist goverments.

Sure.

The end, got any comments? any thing ya like to add?

Look, there are other perfectly sensible alternatives to electricity. However it will cost millions to manufacture and replace the current source. And poverty countries cannot afford these reknewable sources. And Bio-fuel can replace the fuel you use in your car. However the farmers will not let the government take their land, train them to grow and harvest bio fuel because did you know that farmers can get money off the government and avoid heavey tax by getting a large amount of sheep and dumping them in a field.

Basically, the future results will be good with new sources, however with instant change it would cost billions and change societies activities, i.e more recycling, using less power etc.

Sorry for the spelling, Im quite drunk. Seem to spell better with Fosters.

[Dr-Worm]

At 5/8/07 06:03 PM, EndGameOmega wrote:

Proably not. Oil is very important in our society, but it's not irreplaceable.

Actually, it is irreplaceable. It's not a renewable resource, and it WILL run out someday. Some analyists predict as soon as 2050.

[EndGameOmega]

At 5/8/07 06:14 PM, Dr-Worm wrote:

At 5/8/07 06:03 PM, EndGameOmega wrote:

Proably not. Oil is very important in our society, but it's not irreplaceable.

Actually, it is irreplaceable. It's not a renewable resource, and it WILL run out someday. Some analyists predict as soon as 2050.

One, I disagree with your date. Two, there are alternative to oil, like the synfuels I mentioned. As such you can replace oil, with another fuel.

[Dre-Man]

At 5/8/07 05:37 PM, Zoraxe7 wrote: Can this happen if we run out of stuf like oil and gassoline.

We're decades if not centuries away from running out of fossil fuels... and people are already bitching.

[SuperDeagle]

I kind of like this one guys method of creating cheap energy, it's kind of like a perpetual motion engine.
Basically what he did was made an engine that ran off of compressed air.
Then he made a generator that makes compressed air from compressed air.
Connected the two and well... hes a very happy man.

I could be wrong about a few things, been awhile since I've seen anything about this.

[EndGameOmega]

At 5/8/07 06:26 PM, SuperDeagle wrote: I kind of like this one guys method of creating cheap energy, it's kind of like a perpetual motion engine.
Basically what he did was made an engine that ran off of compressed air.
Then he made a generator that makes compressed air from compressed air.
Connected the two and well... hes a very happy man.

I could be wrong about a few things, been awhile since I've seen anything about this.

Umm... No, just no. This violate almost everything in physics. Perpetual motion is impossible E_in = E_out, in all cases.

[SuperDeagle]

At 5/8/07 06:32 PM, EndGameOmega wrote: Umm... No, just no. This violate almost everything in physics. Perpetual motion is impossible E_in = E_out, in all cases.

Nothings impossible my dear lad!

[EndGameOmega]

At 5/8/07 06:50 PM, SuperDeagle wrote:

At 5/8/07 06:32 PM, EndGameOmega wrote: Umm... No, just no. This violate almost everything in physics. Perpetual motion is impossible E_in = E_out, in all cases.

Nothings impossible my dear lad!

I didn't say it was imposible, just that all of physics would have to be wrong if this was true.

[Zoraxe7]

At 5/8/07 06:10 PM, Brick-top wrote:

At 5/8/07 05:37 PM, Zoraxe7 wrote:

pestecides and herbicides would be used by farmers in order to increase their crop yeild so they can make some money (paradoxaly causing crops to be more worthless).

My uncle's a farmer, and he'd call you a jackass if he was reading this.

Its called inflation, most of the time it referes to money, let me give you an examply...

When the Spainish defeated the aztecs they were getting a lot of silver, so much silver that it took more and more silver to buy stuf, and spains prosperity turned to poverty.

Same thing can be applied to food, like farmers during the setteling of the great plains in the US, being a farmer was to be dirt poor because there was so many of them and the rail road taking advantage of them.

[JudgeDredd]

There's me thinking this was going to be an intelligent topic >_<

Look, the many scenarios differ greatly depending on 1 thing... HOW FAST WE RUN OUT OF OIL!

In the Mad Max scenario, oil becomes a scarce commodity virtually overnite, or at least well before any alternative transport can be developed. There is a general a breakdown of law and order, and life becomes "dog-eat-dog". This point is made fairly clear. Those who have the remaining oil have the power, and are therefore targets for those who do not. As if to emphasis this point, all the modes of transport in the movie still run on petrol (gas) and there's not a single pushbike to be seen.

Other Sci-fi movies have us running around in electric cars like in Total Recall, etc.

Yet another well-known movie has a "Mr Fusion" reactor that eats common rubbish.

There you basically have it. The longer it takes for oil to run out the better our chances to have some pretty neat alternatives readily available and put in common use, and the less chance that civilization will utterly collapse as a worldwide food shortage kicks in, starting mankind panicking and causing widespread riots and mayhem.

10 years = Mad Max

50 years = Johnny Cab

150 year = Mr Fusion

..so unless we produce some decent and viable alternatives we're screwed, as it's not IF but WHEN.

[uhnoesanoob]

At 5/8/07 06:22 PM, Dre-Man wrote:

At 5/8/07 05:37 PM, Zoraxe7 wrote: Can this happen if we run out of stuf like oil and gassoline.

We're decades if not centuries away from running out of fossil fuels... and people are already bitching.

Wait...so why do you think we invaded iraq because of oil?

[different]

At 5/8/07 05:37 PM, Zoraxe7 wrote: We would have to switch to electeric every thing, cars, trains, but in order to do that we nead a lot more nuclear power plants (stuf like wind and water power does not do enuf to fit our electric diet). Of coarse nuclear power plants cost a lot of money.

Er... Solar?

We don't have to go on consuming as much energy as we do... it's a lifestyle choice.

[emmytee]

hey on the bright side global warming will cool down.

[EndGameOmega]

At 5/9/07 02:48 AM, JudgeDredd wrote:

In the Mad Max scenario, oil becomes a scarce commodity virtually overnite, or at least well before any alternative transport can be developed. There is a general a breakdown of law and order, and life becomes "dog-eat-dog". This point is made fairly clear. Those who have the remaining oil have the power, and are therefore targets for those who do not. As if to emphasis this point, all the modes of transport in the movie still run on petrol (gas) and there's not a single pushbike to be seen.

The mad max universe was caused by more then just an oil shortage, there was also a nuclear war (at lest in the second two movies).

Other Sci-fi movies have us running around in electric cars like in Total Recall, etc.

Yet another well-known movie has a "Mr Fusion" reactor that eats common rubbish.

To which I'm going to say no.

There you basically have it. The longer it takes for oil to run out the better our chances to have some pretty neat alternatives readily available and put in common use, and the less chance that civilization will utterly collapse as a worldwide food shortage kicks in, starting mankind panicking and causing widespread riots and mayhem.

But we already have alternatives. If for what ever reason, we ran out of oil tomorrow, our society wouldn't collapse. What would happen in the very short term is we would tap the strategic reserves, the current oil refineries would be revamped, almost over night, to process coal into gas, and industry would immediately start switching over to another engine design system. Probably a biodiesel/electric hybrid, with recarge cability.

Would our society suffer? Of course in any case of an emergency, or tragedy, our society will feel it; but it won't reduce us to Mad Maxin barbarians.

10 years = Mad Max

50 years = Johnny Cab

150 year = Mr Fusion

..so unless we produce some decent and viable alternatives we're screwed, as it's not IF but WHEN.

At 5/9/07 07:50 AM, different wrote:

Er... Solar?

We don't have to go on consuming as much energy as we do... it's a lifestyle choice.

Actualy solar is sevral times more expensive then nuclear, and it's also dirtier to build and produce, at lest per kwh.

[Nerpok]

Oil will not run out "overnight"(meaning it will probably take 50+years). There are MANY untapped oil reserves that are just too hard/expenses to tap into, but if oil were running THAT short we would begin to tap into it no matter what (Alaska, Alberta etc.). Also, since US is one of the TOP oil consumers you can highly anticipate that the US will take over/destroy all the major oil countries (Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Omen etc.)

[Dre-Man]

At 5/9/07 06:51 AM, uhnoesanoob wrote:

At 5/8/07 06:22 PM, Dre-Man wrote:

At 5/8/07 05:37 PM, Zoraxe7 wrote: Can this happen if we run out of stuf like oil and gassoline.

We're decades if not centuries away from running out of fossil fuels... and people are already bitching.

Wait...so why do you think we invaded iraq because of oil?

Haha, fucking dumbass. I don't. I think we invaded it to take it over, in our world government plan. Afghanistan>Iraq>Iran>And whatever the fuck is next.

[SolInvictus]

we're probably going to do what the Third Reich did when they started running out of oil: scramble for alternative and synthetic fuels.

[dySWN]

At 5/9/07 03:36 PM, Dre-Man wrote: Haha, fucking dumbass. I don't. I think we invaded it to take it over, in our world government plan. Afghanistan>Iraq>Iran>And whatever the fuck is next.

Seriously, I don't get where you're coming from. The libs always accuse Bush of either being a dumbass or an evil overlord, but it's impossible to be both since it takes brains to take over the world. So which one is it?

Besides, the idea of One World Government is so last decade.

[Dre-Man]

At 5/9/07 03:47 PM, dySWN wrote:

At 5/9/07 03:36 PM, Dre-Man wrote: Haha, fucking dumbass. I don't. I think we invaded it to take it over, in our world government plan. Afghanistan>Iraq>Iran>And whatever the fuck is next.

Seriously, I don't get where you're coming from. The libs always accuse Bush of either being a dumbass or an evil overlord, but it's impossible to be both since it takes brains to take over the world. So which one is it?

Did I ever say anything about Bush in that sentence? It has nothing to do with Bush. He's a puppet at the front of a much larger problem.

And, besides, I'm not a liberal.

Besides, the idea of One World Government is so last decade.

HAHA, no... it's happening brother.

[morefngdbs]

IF 70% of the existing rooftops in the United States were solar paneled, it would provide more power than the country currently uses.
What will probably happen is when oil gets so expensive the alternatives will then be affordable. Life will go on.

I also hope the planet gets warmer, I hate winter.

[TheThing]

Or we won't have to worry about it, as long as us wasteful Americans stop using so much oil. We got plenty of oil; the government and oil companies want you to think we have almost no oil, so they can jack the prices of it and make a quarterly profit of $12 billion.

[bahamutzer03]

relax, dude. oil does reproduce, but it takes wayyyy too long. and synthetically making it won't be enough. but, now the good news (no, its not about car insurance), we do have alternate forms of transportation. There are the hybrids, electric cars, solar powered, heck, even fuel cells are being looked at. Now I've heard (not sure where. either someone's ranting or some newscast. And for those who might jump down my throats about proof: I'm on the fence about it, so don't point out the obvious. unless you find some proof for me.) that some oil companies and gas companies are against the renewable source transportation. But again, it coulda been a rant. But it's not totally unbelievable. Buissness competition is everywhere. Who's to say some oil tycoons won't feel it?

[SolInvictus]

At 5/9/07 04:53 PM, Dre-Man wrote:

At 5/9/07 03:47 PM, dySWN wrote: Besides, the idea of One World Government is so last decade.

HAHA, no... it's happening brother.

oh come one; Dre-Manyou were doing so well.

[Eoewe]

The only reason we still use oil and related fossil fuels is because it's big business.

[EndGameOmega]

At 5/9/07 04:58 PM, morefngdbs wrote: IF 70% of the existing rooftops in the United States were solar paneled, it would provide more power than the country currently uses.

Except solar is rather expensive, and dirty, again per kWh. So you really wont be saving much by doing this.

What will probably happen is when oil gets so expensive the alternatives will then be affordable. Life will go on.

Of course life will go on, oil isn't an irreplaceable resources.

I also hope the planet gets warmer, I hate winter.

Not me I love the snow and cold... Which begs the question, why the hell am I in Arizona?

At 5/9/07 06:06 PM, Eoewe wrote: The only reason we still use oil and related fossil fuels is because it's big business.

No, we still use oil, and other fossil fuels because they have some of the highest energy density and stability of any chemical around. Things like hydrogen only have 1/9th the energy density of gas, and it's highly volatile as well. We still use oil because it works, and is (relatively) cheap.

[morefngdbs]

At 5/9/07 07:24 PM, EndGameOmega wrote:

At 5/9/07 04:58 PM, morefngdbs wrote:

Except solar is rather expensive, and dirty, again per kWh. So you really wont be saving much by doing this.

The new advances in solar collecting, they have a new system where they can spray it on like paint, it is much more efficent collector as well.

What will probably happen is when oil gets so expensive the alternatives will then be affordable. Life will go on.

Of course life will go on, oil isn't an irreplaceable resources.

The costs at this time still make oil cheaper than alternative fuels

I also hope the planet gets warmer, I hate winter.

Not me I love the snow and cold... Which begs the question, why the hell am I in Arizona?

I don't know.... Why am I still living in Nova Scotia ? Must be the amount of family & friends all around.

[Cheekyvincent]

use nuclear power some idiots need to be killed in a large scale Chernobyl

[EndGameOmega]

At 5/10/07 02:20 PM, morefngdbs wrote:

The new advances in solar collecting, they have a new system where they can spray it on like paint, it is much more efficent collector as well.

Yes, I've read about this, they use quantum dots to absorb light at longer wave lengths. It can produce light to energy conversion efficiency up to 30%, normal plastic solar cells are around 6%. But there are still problems with it, one quantum dots are considered a health risk, and there hasn't been to much research into there biological effects. Additionally, you still need Si, or Ga crystals, laced with arsenic to actually convert the photons into electricity. Growing Si, crystals is very dirty, though since they're far smaller then the ones in regular cells, the growing mediums need not be so perfect, and hence less dirty. Over all it is a break through, but I don't think it makes solar viable.

I don't know.... Why am I still living in Nova Scotia ? Must be the amount of family & friends all around.

Heh, it's always warm when your around family, and friends.

At 5/10/07 02:21 PM, Cheekyvincent wrote: use nuclear power some idiots need to be killed in a large scale Chernobyl

We should us nuclear power, it's cleaner then any other power source we have, it's efficient and relatively cheap. The risk of a meltdown is quite literally zero in the newer reactor designs, and even in the old designs the it would take a catastrophic failure, of every system to bring about a meltdown, the chances of even one major system failing is about once in every 100 years. Every properly built reactor (Chernobyl wasn't properly built) has the capability to stop and contain a meltdown after it happens. While the reactor would be unusable, no radiation will be leaked. I should also point out that even in Chernobyl it required every safety system to be over ridden, for it to experience the meltdown it did.