Abortion:christianity

[A-Carrot-By-Dr-Riot]

I wonder gow consistent the christian viewpoint on abortion really is.

The reason christians typically give for the immorality for abortion is that it is murder.
The problem lies in that the ultimate goal of christianity for the individual is eternal life in heaven.

If aborted babies go to heaven, it is merely a trade off, a more cynical person could argue that abortion doctors should be allowed to exist because they go to hell so unborn people won't have to, like modern christs dying for others.

If aborted babies go to hell... well, I've yet to meet a christian who will even consider that possibility, too depressing I guess.

Anyone have any opinions on this? Have I made an error in my understanding of the christian viewpoint?

Dr. Arbitrary

[mrpopenfresh]

Christians ban things as a way to entertain themselves. You can hear the pope banning new very oodd and non-provocating thing almost every week.

[Alejandro1]

At 5/23/03 11:36 PM, Dr_Arbitrary wrote: Anyone have any opinions on this? Have I made an error in my understanding of the christian viewpoint?

Well, as I can see it, Christians will always be fighting about whether or not abortion is moral. There will always be people that will always be Pro Choice and others that will always be anti-abortion, so it will always be a continuous war.

To answer the question: do aborted babies go to heaven or hell? Hmmm. . . thats just one of those things that you'll find out when you die; I really can't tell you either way. If you can't wait until you die, look to God for the answer, or smoke a lot of drugs for that matter.

[A-Carrot-By-Dr-Riot]

:Well, as I can see it, Christians will always be fighting about whether or not abortion is moral. There will always be people that will always be Pro Choice and others that will always be anti-abortion, so it will always be a continuous...

I hope you are wrong. historically, reason has always triumphed over tradition and stagnation in the long run. I shudder to think that we will be wasting time debating a subject as simple as abortion (simple in concept, but too much emotion and tradtion is attached to it to be resolved) 1000 years from now.

Dr. Arbitrary

[Alejandro1]

At 5/24/03 12:23 AM, Dr_Arbitrary wrote: I hope you are wrong. historically, reason has always triumphed over tradition and stagnation in the long run. I shudder to think that we will be wasting time debating a subject as simple as abortion (simple in concept, but too much emotion and tradtion is attached to it to be resolved) 1000 years from now.

Unfortunately, the truth hurts sometimes Doc. As a democratic society, we will always have mixed views about abortion: there's no stopping it; there will always be die-hard losers supporting all out and protesting in front of abortion clinics for one side or the other. I guess if you want a frozen stand on abortion, we could always fall to Communism and surrender all our liberties to have the government make decisions for us.

[bumcheekcity]

At 5/24/03 12:23 AM, Dr_Arbitrary wrote:

I shudder to think that we will be wasting time debating a subject as simple as abortion (simple in concept, but too much emotion and tradtion is attached to it to be resolved) 1000 years from now.

Why is it wasting time? People disagree with us and we want tog et our points across. The issue is old, graunted, but does that mean we shuoldn't debate it?

[A-Carrot-By-Dr-Riot]

It's not that it shouldn't be debated, but it's such an emotionally loaded issue that it gives debate a bad name. Imagine if we still debated the geocentric/heliocentric issue (sun revolves around earth/earth revolves around sun), it's not that it's not worth debating, it's just that there are some really obvious truths that are apparent to anyone who will open their eyes and think it through.

Dr. Arbitrary

[FUNKbrs]

I actually believe aborted babies go to hell. God finds you, you do not find God. Therefore, a baby is as capable of salvation as a grown man.

The only other option is to say that small children have no souls, and a soul is an acquired thing. If this is true, then what happens when a human being never acquires one?

Therefore, if babies have souls, the souls of aborted babies go to hell. If they don't have souls, then we have a much more serious debate on our hands. I wonder if a barmitsvah (spelling?) has anything to do with this concept?

[House-Of-Leaves]

Babies go to hell...?

Hmm..

Jeremiah 1:5 - "Before I formed you in the womb, I chose you..."

In some Bibles, it's "I knew you..." Either way, babies go to hell? Hah.

Sorry, but abortion is something that will -always- be debated, even within the Christian community. I'm very Christian. I'm also very pro-choice, because of where I stand politically. I have no right whatsoever to tell another woman what to do to her body, and vice versa. There is only One that can judge, and if He judges that it's wrong? That's His doing, not mine. Until then, I stand by my opinion.

Generally speaking, I think even Christians that are pro-choice (like me) are pretty torn. I'm pro-choice for everyone but myself. I'd never abort a baby, because I know the physical and psychological effects of it.

Nutshell? Christian or not, it's still a 50/50 thing. Christianity isn't always synonymous with pro-life.