Execution by firing squad

[Nirvana13666]

Exercising their right under Utah law, serial killer Roberto Arguelles and Troy Michael Kell, a white supremacist who stabbed a fellow inmate to death, have chosen the firing squad over lethal injection and are set to die at 12:01 a.m. on June 27 and 28, respectively.

I think the death penalty is just barbaric in the first place but a firing squad???

[Nirvana13666]

Types of Executions

[arnamenta]

It was their choice. They had other options.

As for the death penalty being barbaric, it might well be, but how else do we deal with some people?

[lapslf]

At 5/23/03 01:29 PM, arnamenta wrote: As for the death penalty being barbaric, it might well be, but how else do we deal with some people?

Uhm... whe lock them up so they can be fucked in the ass by fellow prisoners, or get beaten up by guards?

[Nirvana13666]

At 5/23/03 01:29 PM, arnamenta wrote: It was their choice. They had other options.

As for the death penalty being barbaric, it might well be, but how else do we deal with some people?

People go to jail for killing people. What gives the government the right to kill people without facing any punishment? There are tons of alternatives like being more careful who gets sent to prison and sending home inmates that are reformed so that there is enough space.

[JMHX]

So you'd rather these inmates sap your tax money every year? Personally, the death penalty in extreme cases (McVeigh and J.W. Gacy) is something very well earned by the people who are about to go under the needle (or gun).

[lapslf]

At 5/23/03 02:16 PM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote: So you'd rather these inmates sap your tax money every year? Personally, the death penalty in extreme cases (McVeigh and J.W. Gacy) is something very well earned by the people who are about to go under the needle (or gun).

It's just not right. You want to punish someone, because he killed somebody. And than you do so be killing someone yourself? That makes no sense. That's just low, barbaric revenge. It's wrong to kill, weither I do it, you do it, or the government does it.

[Alejandro1]

At 5/23/03 02:24 PM, Veggiemeal wrote: It's just not right. You want to punish someone, because he killed somebody. And than you do so be killing someone yourself? That makes no sense. That's just low, barbaric revenge. It's wrong to kill, weither I do it, you do it, or the government does it.

Oh right, we have to be nice to these people even though they are psychotic killers. Under law, if you kill someone, you can't actually get the death penalty unless you commit another crime during the act (ex. rape and kill someone). But like you said, it doesn't matter what these people did because it is "barbaric" to give someone the death penalty for a heinous crime they commited. Give me a break.

[Shih]

At 5/23/03 12:43 PM, Nirvana13666 wrote: Exercising their right under Utah law, serial killer Roberto Arguelles and Troy Michael Kell, a white supremacist who stabbed a fellow inmate to death, have chosen the firing squad over lethal injection and are set to die at 12:01 a.m. on June 27 and 28, respectively.

I think the death penalty is just barbaric in the first place but a firing squad???

I uderstand why they chose it. When my time comes I want to be able to look death in the eye rather than be strapped down and have to wait for it to slowly sap me of life.

As far as being barbaric, yes it is. That doesn't remove the necessity of it. I consider myself and most of the other people I know to be moral people, unfortunately some people cross a line at some piont in their life, where that line is I don't know, is it in the soul, the heart, or the mind, well that's for better than me to determine. Once this line is crossed a basic part of humanity in someone is gone, and then to protect others around them they need to be removed. The death penalty can't be used for revenge or satisfaction, but as a protection. When a pet becomes rabid you shoot it, you don't laugh when you do it, you don't giggle, you simply step up and do what you need to do. This is the death penalty, this is what it is.

[Lyddiechu]

i think the death penalty is never moral. we aren't barbarians here, guy... however if i were sentenced to death i would DEFINITALLY choose the firing squad.. its so romantic...erm..

[Kay-Turner]

I'm right now doing a report on Death Penalty and I totatly agree that the death penalty is barbaric and you can punish them by let them live in jails with the knowledge that they have no reason to live but can't dieand its all because of them.

[Shih]

At 5/23/03 07:30 PM, Kay_Turner wrote: I'm right now doing a report on Death Penalty and I totatly agree that the death penalty is barbaric and you can punish them by let them live in jails with the knowledge that they have no reason to live but can't dieand its all because of them.

and this isn't more barbaric or cruel than death. I'd certainly rather die than be imprisoned.

[Jimsween]

At 5/23/03 08:31 PM, Shih wrote:

At 5/23/03 07:30 PM, Kay_Turner wrote: I'm right now doing a report on Death Penalty and I totatly agree that the death penalty is barbaric and you can punish them by let them live in jails with the knowledge that they have no reason to live but can't dieand its all because of them.

and this isn't more barbaric or cruel than death. I'd certainly rather die than be imprisoned.

Not in our prisons, it's was estimated that majority of American prisoners have a better life than 35% of the population. That is when the cable isnt being fixed. And as for the Anal rape stuff, it's not exactly like that. Most of the time it's consensual, you may think that you would never do that but you dont know until you havent had sex in 10 years. That would be the only thing I could think of as punishment in there.

[arnamenta]

Why should we feed and care for these monsters? 'Cause that's what they are. They're not people anymore. They gave that up.

[Jimsween]

Wether or not the death penalty is moreal or not it should still be legal for ALL states. Many of the states that have it rarely use it. This is because often time the death penalty is only used as a barganing chip, if a serial murderer is already going to prison for life what motivation does he have to tell the police who else he killed or even where the bodies are. Not many people would ever want this guy on the streets again but without the death penalty to threaten then they would be forced to in order to clear up the mess. And ever mroe often it is used to implicate other people for the crime, without the death penalty it would alos be rather hard to get another person if the crime was commited by multiple people. It may not neccesarily be a detterent but it does get more criminals off the streets and gives families of the victim some closure.

[Jimsween]

At 5/23/03 01:39 PM, Veggiemeal wrote:

At 5/23/03 01:29 PM, arnamenta wrote: As for the death penalty being barbaric, it might well be, but how else do we deal with some people?

Uhm... whe lock them up so they can be fucked in the ass by fellow prisoners, or get beaten up by guards?

It's quite obviosu you know nothing about America's prison system. The gaurds are only armed with a radio, they dont even have a nightstick. And most of the sex in there is consensual, however there are a few "bull queers" but if you already ahve a "bitch" they dont bother you.

[mrpopenfresh]

At 5/23/03 01:39 PM, Veggiemeal wrote:

At 5/23/03 01:29 PM, arnamenta wrote: As for the death penalty being barbaric, it might well be, but how else do we deal with some people?

Uhm... whe lock them up so they can be fucked in the ass by fellow prisoners, or get beaten up by guards?

Being locked up in a prison dosen't seem that bad, if it weren't for those homosexual crack dealers, it would be a rather nice place.

[MrFizz]

At 5/23/03 10:52 PM, jimsween wrote:

At 5/23/03 01:39 PM, Veggiemeal wrote:

At 5/23/03 01:29 PM, arnamenta wrote:

It's quite obviosu you know nothing about America's prison system. The gaurds are only armed with a radio, they dont even have a nightstick. And most of the sex in there is consensual, however there are a few "bull queers" but if you already ahve a "bitch" they dont bother you.

It is also quite obvious you dont know how to spell.

[A-Carrot-By-Dr-Riot]

At 5/24/03 12:08 AM, MrFizz wrote:

It is also quite obvious you dont know how to spell.

-Clap clap-
Excelent example of an ad-hominem attack, you cleverly swayed the argument in your favor with that comment. I bow to your superior debate skills.

Dr. Arbitrary

[18-12-2]

A few things:

1. Firing Squad is a pretty humane way to go when you compare it with being gassed or electrocuted, if I was to be executed, that would be my choice.

2. It costs a shitload of money to keep these guys, who cannot function in normal society, in a prison where they fuck more things up.

3. Who cares about them losing their lives? Believe me, if they killed someone I knew, I'd want their balls cut off! Think about the victims family...

Anyway, thats my two, er three, cents on the issue...

[TheShrike]

I don't think the death penalty is a great thing.

killing to punish a murderer.. How juvenile is that?

On the other hand, how do you deal with people like Charles Manson? David Berkowitz?

What about the sociopaths who don't give a fuck?

Locking them in solitary confinement is far worse than death, and it is by no means a humane solution.

[JMHX]

So, in the case of Adolf Hitler, you'd just prefer to lock him in a jail cell where he can get mail, write to his many neo-nazist adoring fans, and keep spreading his word rather than execute him?

Execution is the punishment you receive for premeditated murder, which, if you spend all that time thinking about it and planning it out, is pretty much a waste of your life already since you got caught.

Bottom Line: If they knew well enough to plot it ahead of time, they can handle the consequences that come with getting caught.

[18-12-2]

At 5/24/03 02:59 AM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote: Bottom Line: If they knew well enough to plot it ahead of time, they can handle the consequences that come with getting caught.

Right on...well, pretty much right on.

[FUNKbrs]

At 5/24/03 12:18 AM, Dr_Arbitrary wrote: -Clap clap-
Excelent example of an ad-hominem attack, you cleverly swayed the argument in your favor with that comment. I bow to your superior debate skills.

Dr. Arbitrary

the last time I was this impressed with a post it was from lyddiechu. If you join the PC (which you obviously will, being a founding father) it will be only as one more member that I respect.

[Slizor]

It is also quite obvious you dont know how to spell.

-Clap clap-
Excelent example of an ad-hominem attack, you cleverly swayed the argument in your favor with that comment. I bow to your superior debate skills.

Surely you know better than to focus (and single out) on just one part of an argument. Tut-tut, you can do better than that.

p.s. this is no way indicitive of my feelings on this subject.

[takeit2themax]

At 5/23/03 12:43 PM, Nirvana13666 wrote: Exercising their right under Utah law, serial killer Roberto Arguelles and Troy Michael Kell, a white supremacist who stabbed a fellow inmate to death, have chosen the firing squad over lethal injection and are set to die at 12:01 a.m. on June 27 and 28, respectively.

I think the death penalty is just barbaric in the first place but a firing squad???

Honestly, your probly will not believe me, but you don't just fall asleep with lethal injection. What happens is your lungs fail and you begin to convulse and spew blood out of your mouth, your major organs shut down one by one. If it were me, I sure as hell would take the firing squad over any type of death penalty out there, reason being is that when you get hit by a high powerd rifle your not going to feel a thing, you won't even hear the shot, the bullet will hit you before the sound wave even reaches you. The way it works is there a five "shooters" usually someone highly qualified with a rife, but only one shooter has a live cartridge in the rifle, the others are blanks. Trust me it's also better than the electric chair where sometimes they have to zap you a few times.

[takeit2themax]

At 5/23/03 02:24 PM, Veggiemeal wrote:

At 5/23/03 02:16 PM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote: So you'd rather these inmates sap your tax money every year? Personally, the death penalty in extreme cases (McVeigh and J.W. Gacy) is something very well earned by the people who are about to go under the needle (or gun).

It's just not right. You want to punish someone, because he killed somebody. And than you do so be killing someone yourself? That makes no sense. That's just low, barbaric revenge. It's wrong to kill, weither I do it, you do it, or the government does it.

Tell me, if someone brutally murderd someone you really love you wouldn't want to see them die? I sure as hell would, don't know about you but i would kill that person before they got to the courtroom where some asshole liberal on the jury would let them walk.

[takeit2themax]

At 5/24/03 02:32 AM, TheShrike wrote: I don't think the death penalty is a great thing.

killing to punish a murderer.. How juvenile is that?

On the other hand, how do you deal with people like Charles Manson? David Berkowitz?

What about the sociopaths who don't give a fuck?

Locking them in solitary confinement is far worse than death, and it is by no means a humane solution.

Whats sick is that out of all the people they have executed, Charles Manson is still sitting in his little 6x9 cell laughing about all the people he murderd (brutally) and speaks how if he ever got out, he would do it all over again. Or how about Richard Kulkinski,(Ice Man) worked for the mob freely admitted that he whacked over 90 people. And he is still alive!

[Alejandro1]

At 5/25/03 10:02 AM, AmericanBADASS wrote: Tell me, if someone brutally murderd someone you really love you wouldn't want to see them die? I sure as hell would, don't know about you but i would kill that person before they got to the courtroom where some asshole liberal on the jury would let them walk.

Amen brother! I think if someone killed one of my loved ones I'd probably pull a vigilante on his ass.

[Kay-Turner]

I, myself, think that even if Charles Madison is laughing in public because he knows that if he does get out he'll have no life to live after being found murdering people. He is also pretty whacko in the head.