herbivore vs carnivore

[FUNKbrs]

Veggiemeal, this ones for you.

Is it more moral to eat plants, who cant fight back, or animals, who can?

[Lyddiechu]

even tho this is for veggiemeal.. its moral to EAT BLOODY EVERYTHING!!!!!!! i'm on the top of the damn food chain, hear the flames from my charcoal grill ROAR!!

speaking of which.. does anyone here own the book called "kill it and grill it"?

[Shih]

Geez, it's really very simple I eat meat, and why? I have thumbs, they're great these little bony liscences from god to kill. As a human I stand at the top of the evolutionary ladder, and if a tiger decides to hunt my ass down one of these days I'm not going to stop and argue the moral ramifications of it eating me, instead I'll run like the bitch I be.

[FUNKbrs]

At 5/22/03 10:19 AM, Lyddiechu wrote: speaking of which.. does anyone here own the book called "kill it and grill it"?

written by THE NUGE, correct? (Ted Nugent)

[nitroxide]

Brilliant funk i never thought about it like that.I was a vegetarian for a year(i was a vegetarian that dint eat vegtables,mostly cereal and pj sandwiches) but only because of choice not to save the animals as many vegetarians that come along the meat market is still just as high the demand is not depleting and they will continue to kill by mass numbers wether the food goes to waste or not i love meat a respect veggies but it so hard to stay away from sweet meat.

VIVA LA MEAT!!!

[Shih]

At 5/22/03 10:19 AM, Lyddiechu wrote: even tho this is for veggiemeal.. its moral to EAT BLOODY EVERYTHING!!!!!!! i'm on the top of the damn food chain, hear the flames from my charcoal grill ROAR!!

speaking of which.. does anyone here own the book called "kill it and grill it"?

Can I just say I love this girl.

[Lyddiechu]

At 5/22/03 10:41 AM, FUNKbrs wrote:

At 5/22/03 10:19 AM, Lyddiechu wrote: speaking of which.. does anyone here own the book called "kill it and grill it"?

written by THE NUGE, correct? (Ted Nugent)

it certainly was the NUGE!!!! i need to buy it NOW and get my bf's hick family to go out and shoot me something.

[FUNKbrs]

basic rule of thumb:

the cuter the animal, the yummier

For example, the best chile I ever ate was made from venison, and the best stew I ever had was squirrel. Sometimes I look at the geese outside my office and wonder how easy it would be to catch one......

[Shih]

It's deceptively easy if you're stealthy enough, and thems good eatin.

[Lyddiechu]

seriously?? those wild geese are good to eat??

at this island i go to in ny there are these damn deer that roam around everywhere and eat everything you try and grow. they are so tame you could strangle them to death with your bare hands. however the local bleeding hearts would probably make a fuss, plus they are so mangy from living off garbage that you would probably get some horrendous disease from eating them.

i would give anything to be able to club one of them to death and leave it on the doorstep of the pussy-ass rich cocksuckers who live on the island tho.

[Lyddiechu]

oh yeah veggie.. this is for u....

just so you know, the redneck mountainmen who do all the killin and eatin of cute animals are some of the best and most active conservationists out there... they certainly do alot more hands on, CONSTRUCTIVE things to save the environment than some PETA assholes sucking horse cock up in the tidewater area.

[Jiperly]

i cannot eat a meal unless something had to die for it.....even if its the waiter......

morality is the natural law of all humans of what is right and wrong, right? thus, since nature dicatates that humans are omnivores,or we require both plants and vegiatables to survive, we are not immoral- we ARE moral.

[bumcheekcity]

At 5/22/03 01:41 PM, Jiperly wrote: i cannot eat a meal unless something had to die for it.....even if its the waiter......

That would be anything then, even a salad kills the plants.

[FUNKbrs]

At 5/22/03 02:11 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: That would be anything then, even a salad kills the plants.

what about bannanas? They dont even have living seeds in them, they just grow and are yummy. Or milk. So then, I could order a bannana split, and have to kill the waiter because nothing died to make the icecream or the bannanas.

[Alejandro1]

All I can say is I didn't grow to be 6' 2" by eating lettuce and veggieburgers . . . ewwwww, I'd probably have to take a shit every ten minutes from eating that crap.

[lapslf]

At 5/22/03 04:16 PM, alejandro1 wrote: All I can say is I didn't grow to be 6' 2" by eating lettuce and veggieburgers . . . ewwwww, I'd probably have to take a shit every ten minutes from eating that crap.

Actually, i am 1.90 meters, so that's about eh... let me calculate.... 1.9 : 0.3 = 6,3 feet (fuck, how do I hate the way you yanks measure stuff). Conclusion: I'm BIGGER than you. Nah!

Listen guys, you all now how stupid it is to say that it's immoral to eat plants. Ok, you can keep arguing (or however you write that fucking word) about weither they feel it or not, but you HAVE to eat plants, otherwise you just die. You don't have to eat meat. I haven't eaten a single piece of meat in five years and i'm perfectly healty (and bigger than alejandro1).

If you want to eat meat, that's fine with me, I can't force you. Just keep in mind that someone died for it, so if you really have to eat it, be grateful to the animals who's life was sacrificed for your meal.

[Nirvana13666]

At 5/22/03 10:15 AM, FUNKbrs wrote: Veggiemeal, this ones for you.

Is it more moral to eat plants, who cant fight back, or animals, who can?

If we all stopped eating meat the animals would overpopulate. The Native Americans only used what they needed and that is how the earth stayed healthy. I was a vegetarian but for a while but due to medical reasons I need to eat meat. I don’t find it wrong to kill animals for food but I’d never eat veal….I sure no explanation is needed for that.

[arnamenta]

It's a great deal easier to have a healthy, balanced diet that includes meat. Being vegetarian puts a LOT of stress on a body. It can affect a woman's ability to conceive, it can affect growth, and it can make people more suseptible to disease when their bodies don't have everything they need to fight things off.

Yes, it's possible to be healthy and vegetarian, but our bodies weren't built that way. How is it immoral to survive?

[lapslf]

At 5/23/03 02:35 PM, arnamenta wrote: Yes, it's possible to be healthy and vegetarian, but our bodies weren't built that way. How is it immoral to survive?

You might not think it's immoral. I do. I like animals, so I don't eat them. I don't care if it's unhealty, unnatural, immoral, whatever. If I like it, I don't eat it (sounds ironic huh?).

[Lyddiechu]

You might not think it's immoral. I do. I like animals, so I don't eat them. I don't care if it's unhealty, unnatural, immoral, whatever. If I like it, I don't eat it (sounds ironic huh?).

i like animals.. but i would eat my pet cat if it came down to it no matter how much i love her, since she is only really a source of food.

i think people should be forced to kill the animals themselves and then use everything from it.. that would solve two problems.. obesity and any moral qualms about eating animals.

the nuge would have to come out with a new book.. kill it, grill it, then grind its bones into a medicinal powder and wear its preserved head as a hat.

[Jiperly]

no, not eating meat is not healthy.

http://www.westonaprice.org/myths_truths/myths_truths_vegetarianism.html

for christ sakes people, its on the freaking "healthy eating" pyramid from the FDA!! you think they stuck it on there for kicks? or that they they have some kind of conspirsity? or maybe, just maybe, they do that because meat is healthy....

[arnamenta]

At 5/23/03 03:29 PM, Veggiemeal wrote: You might not think it's immoral. I do. I like animals, so I don't eat them. I don't care if it's unhealty, unnatural, immoral, whatever. If I like it, I don't eat it (sounds ironic huh?).

And that's certainly your choice. But I think it's definitely NOT a good thing for people to try to guilt others into not eating something. No one should ever try to impose their ethics and morals on someone else. It never works out well in the end.

So: you eat whatever you like, but don't be surprised if you get sick...I'll enjoy my broiled herb-crusted steak for dinner, and lamb tomorrow, and teriaki steak the night after...yumyum!

[Lyddiechu]

f you guys love lamb you should try and buy new zealand lamb.. its the freshest and most delicious tasting lamb in the world, mostly because it is raised pretty much free range and new zealand has the strictest quality controls on food in the entire world. plus its totally organic for you hippie bastards out there.

the other night i ate this dish called lamb stewart i believe its lamb with a mustard sauce on it baked for along time ohh man was it delicious. i love wholesale markets and their massive NZ lamb roasts.

anyone else have good lamb recepies?? plus what is everyones favorite wild game meat? mine might be emu.. altho alligator is pretty good but only cooked cetain ways.

[Lyddiechu]

i just thought of something else...

ok. i weigh 135 lbs (its not crew season.. in season i weigh about 124-126 roughly) and i eat a crapload of meat. i also almost never work out other than biking to school every day when its not rowing season.

i have a friend, also female, and only hmm 3 inches taller than i am. she works out 4 hours a day (fencer, and bikes to fencing like 10miles) but she weighs upwards of 170. she is a hardcore vegetarian. what gives??

see, just b/c you are veggie doesnt mean you are any healthier.

[TheShrike]

Well... this topic has NEVER been done before.
Huh... Oh well, time to cut & paste...

from PleaseEatTastyAnimals?

At 2/25/03 01:49 AM, jazz_mazter wrote:

Might as well get used to it, unless you want to buy expensive imported foreign meats. If you were given two 'medium rare strip steak,' one from an animal given hormone boosters or any other genetic 'enhancement' and another that was all natural, you wouldn't be able to tell any difference, nor would you feel any different. Same goes with wheat or rice, too. Embrace the future, it's going to save lives.

I agree. Forget what you hear about how this or that is raised and/or slaughtered. A simple fact of life: Humans are the dominant force in today's world. What does that mean? Due to our very nature we will change our environment to suit us.

2000 years ago, it was called selective breeding. It was used to produce animals with characteristics we found suitable. See also: Dog.

Today we use hormone therapy. We use genetic manipulation. We also still force animals who may not like each other to fuck because we want a faster racehorse, a smaller chihuahua, and a beefier cow.

GET OVER IT

I personally don't care what living conditions animals go through to become my hamburger. Really. Unless they deliver some superstrain of Ebola or something nasty like that, I really don't care. Why? Because animals have feelings. They do think. They are capable of caring and hating. But they aren't human. There is this thing... it's called the food chain. And just because our species has the unique ability to choose their position on the food chain doesn't mean we should all go straight to the bottom. I like meat. I LOOOOOOOVE a big, juicy steak. Shark tastes good, too. Fish is nice, especially with a good wine, and bacon, bacon, sweet jesus BACON!!! I mean really... BACON!!! I also love eggs. I once broke open an egg with a half-developed chik inside. it was disgusting. So I ate a hot dog.

Food is food. I think that animals should be treated with respect (no sticking fire-crackers in a cat's ass for me [ although it is tempting....] ). But if the animal in question is my next meal-
Pet, stroke, pet, stroke, 'calm down... it's ok...' CHOP!

Humans are omnivores. We weren't designed to be strictly vegan or strictly carnivorous. So get real, already.

The people who piss me off the most are the ones who drink organic (or soy) milk, and take hormone replacement therapy for their own good. So I hate the hypocrites. And all furry-huggin vegans are hypocrites because it's true- harvest kills animals, too.

Every time a combine rolls through the feilds, insects, snakes, and rodents die.

GO VEGAN!!

[JMHX]

At 5/22/03 10:19 AM, Lyddiechu wrote: even tho this is for veggiemeal.. its moral to EAT BLOODY EVERYTHING!!!!!!! i'm on the top of the damn food chain, hear the flames from my charcoal grill ROAR!!

speaking of which.. does anyone here own the book called "kill it and grill it"?

I'm growing to like Lyddiechu more and more every day. Don't ask me why...it just is.

[Lyddiechu]

mwahahah MEAT!!! you guys are the nicest board ever, jeez. im getting all warm and fuzzy inside.

heres a good meat side-dish: kale (or collard greens) cooked with a shitload of bacon and black-eyed peas. nothing like a good potful of southern lard.

[lapslf]

At 5/23/03 10:39 PM, Lyddiechu wrote: i just thought of something else...

ok. i weigh 135 lbs (its not crew season.. in season i weigh about 124-126 roughly) and i eat a crapload of meat. i also almost never work out other than biking to school every day when its not rowing season.

i have a friend, also female, and only hmm 3 inches taller than i am. she works out 4 hours a day (fencer, and bikes to fencing like 10miles) but she weighs upwards of 170. she is a hardcore vegetarian. what gives??

see, just b/c you are veggie doesnt mean you are any healthier.

I don't do much exercise too, besides a little rowing twice a week. So it depends on other things than just eating meat or not how healthy you are.

I'm not saying i'm more healthy because I don't eat meat. I'm saying i'm not less healthy because i don't eat meat. And if i don't need to kill a good ol' animal to stay healthy, i don't.

[FUNKbrs]

At 5/24/03 12:08 PM, Veggiemeal wrote:

if i don't need to kill a good ol' animal to stay healthy, i don't.

What makes you think animals are good? Have you seen how animals kill the meat that they eat? A cat will maim a bird, and let it's kittens play with the dying animal for HOURS. Yes, humans are more moral than animals. Which is why we kill our food faster, and not a reason to not kill animals for food. I know my dog would eat me if he had too, but its not personal.

[lapslf]

At 5/24/03 12:23 PM, FUNKbrs wrote:

At 5/24/03 12:08 PM, Veggiemeal wrote:

if i don't need to kill a good ol' animal to stay healthy, i don't.

What makes you think animals are good? Have you seen how animals kill the meat that they eat? A cat will maim a bird, and let it's kittens play with the dying animal for HOURS. Yes, humans are more moral than animals. Which is why we kill our food faster, and not a reason to not kill animals for food. I know my dog would eat me if he had too, but its not personal.

The animals we eat and mistreat, like cows and pigs, are all herbivores, so that's a pretty stupid argument. And I don't really call putting an animal in a cage in wich he can barely move for a few years, pump him full of hormones and then kill him is a very nice way to die.

Shooting animals in the wildlife is a different story. Most of the times the animals are still herbivores, but at least they do get a quick death. Still, I wouldn't want to eat them. In my eyes, it's still murder.