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Nitroxide, you can'r really cound Carbon Dioxide because we breathe it out anyway.

At 5/22/03 02:01 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: Nitroxide, you can'r really cound Carbon Dioxide because we breathe it out anyway.

True-The presence of carbon dioxide in the blood stimulates breathing. For this reason, carbon dioxide is added to oxygen or ordinary air in artificial respiration and to the gases used in anesthesia.

However as i said to much of anything can pretty much kill you.High levels may cause asphyxia as well as nausea and respiratory problems.

Since we're on the topic, I have to bring up these ridiculous new attempts special interests groups are using to fight the war on drugs.

Have you seen these new commercials?!?

They're completely absurd! My personal favorite is the one where an older couple are looking over a pregnancy test awaiting the results. The announcer says that the outcome of the test will change thier lives, then it shows the woman hugging her <13ish?> daughter. The announcer says they will be the youngest grandparents on the block. ...THEN... a subtitle reads; "Pot more dangerous than we thought."

What?!?!? Where the hell is the logical connection?

Marijuana actually decreases the sex drive of both men and women, kills eggs and lowers mens sperm count! If the subtitle said "alcohol can make you do stupid shit" I would agree, but pot?

This mindless fucking propaganda drives me crazy. Why are people taking up a idiotic fight against pot?

I agree, pot does not make most people horny, me especially, I just sit there and philosophize...play my guitar, and see the music that I am listening to, oh wait that's on hallucinagens...lol my bad. People who are on drugs can be very easily influenced though...You may not think so, till you do some research, and see that most crimes are committed while the person is under the influence...mainly and at least pot. Sure on the surface it seems harmless, but what we don't realize is that one joint is equal to about a pack of cigarettes...yeah, major havoc on the lungs, but hey, if you are using regularly, you probably don't give a fuck...which brings me to the next point...when you are high you really could care less about anything...you just wanna "chill" and eat and get fat...gee, how fun. I say, if you wanna do drugs fine...me, I'd rather get drunk, or eat some magic mushrooms! I have no anymosity against pot smokers, just me personally, I don't do it...I think it is anoying actually, dry mouth, hunger, laziness, at least with shrooms or alcohol, you have some drive, and energy, no dry mouth, and it lasts a hell of a lot longer.

My favorite is the one where a whole bunch of teens are at a party and they show a young couple on a couch the boy gets her high(on pot) and then she passes out he begins to fondle her.First the girl passed out from a hit of pot!Second why are these kids having a party(a smokeout party)in the middle of the afternoon with no supervision.Where are the parents noone asks...i am not blaming the parents society is run by money and we are to consumed with this idea to make money that we are keep to busy to look after our young.

At 5/22/03 03:10 PM, cannibal7878 wrote:

You may not think so, till you do some research, and see that most crimes are committed while the person is under the influence...mainly and at least pot.:

I'm sorry I find that VERY hard to believe. As you said, when people are stoned they just want to lay around, eat nachos - icecream- popcorn- pizza- mmmmm - and watch Scooby Doo reruns on listen to Pink Floyd.

Drugs that really cause problems are alcohol, cocaine, PCP, crack, crystal meth and herion. Alcohol, cocaine, and crystal meth b/c it makes you feel like you can do anything,cocaine, crack, crystal meth and herion because they are extremely addictive, very expensive, and often interfere with legal ways of obtaining money such as ... oh lets say... a job. PCP because you are a shithead to begin with if you use it, and it makes you a paranoid schitzphrenic for awhile.

I think your statistics are scewed, because many people committing crimes while drunk or high on the aforementioned drugs usually also smoke weed.

:what we don't realize is that one joint is equal to about a pack of cigarettes...yeah, major havoc on the lungs:

Yes, but an average smoker goes through half a pack to two packs of cigaretts a day. An average pot smoker smokes two joints a month to three a day.

But yeah, I think alcohol is more fun than pot as well.

At 5/22/03 03:38 PM, nitroxide wrote: My favorite is the one where a whole bunch of teens are at a party and they show a young couple on a couch... i am not blaming the parents society is run by money and we are to consumed with this idea to make money that we are keep to busy to look after our young.:

Ha ha. Good point. You should look at my profile, go to fav movies and watch "Weed Harmless?" if you haven't seen it already.

At 5/22/03 02:47 PM, Perseph0ne6 wrote: "alcohol can make you do stupid shit" I would agree, but pot?

Actually, there is this kid at my school who smoked a huge blunt during one of our football games and started to get a little out of hand in the stands; a cop came over to stop him and he smacked the cop across the face with a fucking umbrella! How messed up is that? Really, I believe that pot can make you do stupid shit, but it's still not as bad as alcohol. I have some stories of friends getting drunk that are truly hillarious.

At 5/22/03 04:03 PM, alejandro1 wrote:

At 5/22/03 02:47 PM, Perseph0ne6 wrote:

Actually, there is this kid at my school who smoked a huge blunt during one of our football games and started to get a little out of hand in the stands; a cop came over to stop him and he smacked the cop across the face with a fucking umbrella! How messed up is that? Really, I believe that pot can make you do stupid shit, but it's still not as bad as alcohol. I have some stories of friends getting drunk that are truly hillarious.

I never saw or heard anyone doing anything violent when they were stoned. Most stories involve people bumping into things, but really funny things in really funny places!

But alcohol, that will make you do things youd regret. I have a friend that got drunk then went to take a shit at the pharmacy, then, when his pants and boxers were compltely down, he passed out! That isnt even the funniets part! He forgot to close the door!

Anyways, I shared this little story with you guys to show what alcohol can make you do, personally, the worst thing I ever did on weed was ask a girl out, it dosent sound that bad, but I made a total ass of myself by speaking a bunch of gibberish again, wich brings me to another point. Dont use weed to overcome shyness, because youll make an ass of yourself, trust me on this one.

At 5/22/03 02:47 PM, Perseph0ne6 wrote:
Have you seen these new commercials?!?

This mindless fucking propaganda drives me crazy. Why are people taking up a idiotic fight against pot?

My favorite is the one where two teenagers pull up to a fast food joint in their car. They order something like 50 cheeseburgers, then realize they're poor, and then thoughtlessly speed into the street hitting a girl on a bike.

This is obviously ridiculous and it is just enforcing old myths about pot. It uses shock advertising, but it doesn't really give the facts about pot. After smoking pot, I don't order illogical amounts of food. Pot cannot dismiss rational, no matter how much is smoked.

This a funny spin on a popular anti-drug commercial

Nick and Norm think it over

At 5/22/03 06:07 PM, VasIndustries wrote:

At 5/22/03 02:47 PM, Perseph0ne6 wrote:

It uses shock advertising, but it doesn't really give the facts about pot. After smoking pot, I don't order illogical amounts of food. Pot cannot dismiss rational, no matter how much is smoked.:

Exactly. There is no logical connection provided between the horrible acts we see and pot itself. Something to feed the ignorant masses...

After smoking weed, I'm not in the mood to drive to begin with, let alone in the mood for a cheeseburger or fifty. Pringles, chocolate, peanut butter on toast are a different matter altogether.

Besides, one of my other housemates is currently on record for Criminal Damage, Disturbing The Peace, as well as general lewd and threatening behavour charges. Was he stoned? Well, another charge was D&D (Drunk & Dickheaded), so I'd rule that out, especially if the empty whisky bottles littered around count as evidence. Come to think of it, while bladdered, he also ripped out one of our water pipes, because he thought it'd be funny. Last time I got stoned, I just put on Monty Python & The Holy Grail - less effort, more fun, and cheaper than paying for repairs.

When will somebody use shock advertising to show, hey, your Government don't want what's best for you, and regularly lie to keep you uninformed and scared shitless?

At 5/23/03 11:03 AM, D2KVirus wrote:

When will somebody use shock advertising to show, hey, your Government don't want what's best for you, and regularly lie to keep you uninformed and scared shitless?

you know, I think someone posted a link to a commercial supporting just such a standpoint of this thread. I believe it said that since pot supports terrorism because its trafficked by terrorists, that if pot was legal then it couldnt support terrorism. The problem is that they need money to get it aired. food for thought, anyway.

Since most of my weed is South African in origin, does that mean I can sleep at night?

The whole weed = money in bin-Laden's pocket argument was simplification, pure and simple, and aimed at trying to stigmatise what was considered against the norm. However, it's OPIUM that was the main export of Afghanistan and, in blowing up huge fields of it, isn't that a way to cripple their national economy. Not every nation gets fat off exporting soft drinks, movies and CDs, and have to find something that they can use to keep their heads above water. India and China chose tea, Cuba chose tobacco, and Bolivia chose bananas.

Cocaine is the drug with the terrorist problem, due to the high cost, and high stakes in producing it. Anybody can grow a weed plant in their own home. Opium requires fields of opium poppies (which are hardly inconspicuous), same for cocoa to make cocaine (although you can chew/smoke the leaves, I suppose), and you can set up your own drug lab to create all the acid you can swallow.

Risk + Profit = Hostile business. Weed has low profit, wheras coke has large. It's primal economics.

At 5/22/03 02:47 PM, Perseph0ne6 wrote:
Have you seen these new commercials?!?

well have u seen the one where the guys are in the car and went to a drivethrow to buy food but then they dont have money and hit that girl cuz they were on pot?

thats a fucken lie when me and my homie's smoke bud we drive hella good...cuz were like all parainode sorry if i cant spell..but yeah

I dont think theres anythong inherantly wrong with doing drugs, but in our society it almost always leads to crime and an overall breakdown of society, and with harsher drugs theres the chance of ODing. but there is a point that the government would want to make drugs and prostitution illegal because theres really no way of for them to tax it

At 5/25/03 05:38 PM, Kenney333 wrote: I dont think theres anythong inherantly wrong with doing drugs, but in our society it almost always leads to crime and an overall breakdown of society, and with harsher drugs theres the chance of ODing. but there is a point that the government would want to make drugs and prostitution illegal because theres really no way of for them to tax it

There would be if it was legal. Ang doing drugs like pot doesn't necessary mean you have to go on to do crack and junk. Some people stay with their spliff at the weekend because they don't want anything higher.

Should we ban chocolate because it might cause people to over-eat, become obese and die?

i feel that there is nothing wrong with using/experimenting with drugs/narcotics.

A person should have the right to decide what he does with or to his/her own body

In my opinion the government should have no right over drugs..

we use them ... our problem
we die ... our problem
something goes wrong ... our problem

we dont need the government intruding in our business

At 5/20/03 11:35 PM, GnarlyCar wrote: Something very long.

Ok, according to you if we legalize drugs there will be no more crime from them. This is not true, the drug cartels would not stop making the drugs because they became legal because they basically have a monopoly on them. If another legitimate comapny came along to make drugs they would simply be "taken out" by one of the drug cartels, why wouldnt the cartels just start making it legal themselves you ask? Because if they were to go legit, they would have to pay more for thier workers, they would have to obey environmental laws, they would have to give up thier monopoly because thye are illegal in the USA so basically they would go out of business, and they would have to make thier own "raw meterials" for thier product. (ex. many drugs are made out of prescription drugs that have things added to them or are sold for a different reason.

At 5/26/03 04:50 PM, grubin wrote: i feel that there is nothing wrong with using/experimenting with drugs/narcotics.

A person should have the right to decide what he does with or to his/her own body

In my opinion the government should have no right over drugs..

we use them ... our problem
we die ... our problem
something goes wrong ... our problem

we dont need the government intruding in our business

By your standards the government should allow; leaded gas, lead paint, antibiotics without prescription, aerosol, freon, mercury for mining and hatting, gold and silver without recycling, chlorine to be shot into the air, asbestos in hospitals and schools, ect.

Thats quite a nice world you have thier, of course every living thing would be dead...

Well, first of all, they kill you.

Second of all, they kill those around you.

Third, they llead to violent criminal behavior.

Fourth, they are a bad influence.

Fifth, they can spread other diseases.

Sixth, they shut down majoir organs.

The list goes on and on

-Jeff

At 5/27/03 08:58 AM, MindThrasher wrote: Well, first of all, they kill you.

Second of all, they kill those around you.

Third, they llead to violent criminal behavior.

Fourth, they are a bad influence.

Fifth, they can spread other diseases.

Sixth, they shut down majoir organs.

The list goes on and on

Enough about cigarettes, whatabout drugs?

...my god. Weed will forever be illegal because the government and its lovely politicians don't want to make such a large change. This, and all of the other reasons that have already been stated, are quite enough for me. Quit fighting a losing war. It's not even a war. It's just potheads yelling for free bud.

Don't you oppress me!!!

At 5/22/03 03:41 PM, Perseph0ne6 wrote:

At 5/22/03 03:10 PM, cannibal7878 wrote:

You may not think so, till you do some research, and see that most crimes are committed while the person is under the influence...mainly and at least pot.:

Okay now research how many people smoke pot and compare it. I bet that % is way low.

I'm sorry I find that VERY hard to believe. As you said, when people are stoned they just want to lay around, eat nachos - icecream- popcorn- pizza- mmmmm - and watch Scooby Doo reruns on listen to Pink Floyd.

Don't judge all the people that smoke on the incidents that go wrong. When someone is angry and they kill someone because it we don't automatically assume everyone will kill when they get mad.

Drugs that really cause problems are alcohol, cocaine, PCP, crack, crystal meth and herion. Alcohol, cocaine, and crystal meth b/c it makes you feel like you can do anything,cocaine, crack, crystal meth and herion because they are extremely addictive, very expensive, and often interfere with legal ways of obtaining money such as ... oh lets say... a job. PCP because you are a shithead to begin with if you use it, and it makes you a paranoid schitzphrenic for awhile.

People have a choice and instead of society telling us it is wrong they should inform us so that we could make an informed decision. I do many drugs but I have never stolen or hurt anyone for them or while on them Why won’t statistics use people like me as an example?

I think your statistics are scewed, because many people committing crimes while drunk or high on the aforementioned drugs usually also smoke weed.

what we don't realize is that one joint is equal to about a pack of cigarettes...yeah, major havoc on the lungs:

Smoke that ammount of weed in a joint in a bong everyday for the rest of your life and you won't get cancer. It is all abou the tar formed when the paper is burned.

Yes, but an average smoker goes through half a pack to two packs of cigaretts a day. An average pot smoker smokes two joints a month to three a day.

But yeah, I think alcohol is more fun than pot as well.

If alcohol is legal I continue to say that at least pot should be. Research how many have died from blood poisoning.

At 5/27/03 10:51 AM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote: ...my god. Weed will forever be illegal because the government and its lovely politicians don't want to make such a large change. This, and all of the other reasons that have already been stated, are quite enough for me. Quit fighting a losing war. It's not even a war. It's just potheads yelling for free bud.

Judge it isn't potheads yelling for free bud it is about freedom and fairness. If alcohol is legal and is proven to do way more damage them why can't pot be legal too?

At 5/27/03 11:56 AM, Nirvana13666 wrote: Judge it isn't potheads yelling for free bud it is about freedom and fairness. If alcohol is legal and is proven to do way more damage them why can't pot be legal too?

*Translation*

"Since you drink, I want free bud."

:-P

A little bag of bud and a alittle rock of coke never hurt anyone

The government claims that drugs create terrorism and such but so did alcohol during the prohibition.

Alcohol created terrorism?
Yes it did, when it was prohibited.
If the government really wants to end the war on drugs they should do what they're already doing with alcohol and cigarettes; make it legal for adults, put one hell of a tax rate on it so it'll get the economy going. Everyone will be happy.