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At 5/5/07 10:31 AM, MickTheChampion wrote: I voted Labour, but from the looks of the results yesterday you English are quite happy to lie down and get fucked by another Tory government.

If David Cameron is the next Prime Minister, next time I'll be voting to break up Britain. I won't live under the Tories.

The English actually had some sense!

At 5/5/07 11:04 AM, Loch-Ness-Monster wrote: But yeah, no argument on the Tory thing. Cunts through and through, I despise Thatcher's legacy.

Yeah, what a bitch! Increasing the rate of economic growth of our country without our permission!

At 5/5/07 12:03 PM, Cybex wrote:

At 5/5/07 11:04 AM, Loch-Ness-Monster wrote: But yeah, no argument on the Tory thing. Cunts through and through, I despise Thatcher's legacy.

Yeah, what a bitch! Increasing the rate of economic growth of our country without our permission!

I know! Damn those Tories!

Margaret Thatcher operated off the basis of 'if you're poor it's your own fault'. She privatised transport and tried to do the same to the Health Service, made a war to get in power, and just couldn't think about a welfare state.

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Oh yeah, that's another thing. Without Scotland, Labour don't stand a chance in England. They wouldn't have won the elections in 2005 without Scotland and they're not going to unless Brown changes things. My parents didn't even bother to vote Labour because my town is such a Tory hotspot.

At 5/5/07 02:21 PM, MickTheChampion wrote: Look at the state the Tories left this country in, and then conviniently left it up to Labour to pick up the pieces.

Pah. Marageret thatcher concentrated on supply side policies. These are policies to encourage growth my shifting the aggregate supply curve out. Unfortunately, these policies also result in aggregate demand shifting right which causes inflation, with only a limitted increase in output (depending where we are on the AS curve). As the shift in the AS curve takes a while to actually come ino action due to time lags with the supply-side policies, the effects from aggregate demand are seen before the effects from aggregate supply.

So basically, while torries are in power, the AD curve shifted to AD2 and the AS curve shifted to AS2, but the effects from the AS shift aren't seen til years later. So while the torries are in power, all you see is that massive inflation (from 1 to 2) with only that small increase in output. Then along comes labour, who sit on their arses and gladly take credit for the shift in the AS curve which then begins to increase output loads and decrease inflation.

Yes, bad things happened when Margaret Thatcher was in power, but only in the short run. In the long run she did a lot of good for our country.

At 5/5/07 10:31 AM, MickTheChampion wrote: I voted Labour, but from the looks of the results yesterday you English are quite happy to lie down and get fucked by another Tory government.

If David Cameron is the next Prime Minister, next time I'll be voting to break up Britain. I won't live under the Tories.

After all the bollocks you talk bout britain constantly, your a fuckin dick for not voting SNP. When it comes down to it, your fuckin scared bout the UK breakin up.

I'm scared to fuck about Britain breaking up, that is if the SNPs actually manage to achieve independence.

Apparently "unofficial" Sharia based courts are popping up around England and the UK. What this means to the UK as a whole is something to be scared of significantly.

I wonder why you people are as horrified as Americans are over this.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xm l=/news/2006/11/29/nsharia29.xml

At 5/7/07 09:52 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote: Apparently "unofficial" Sharia based courts are popping up around England and the UK. What this means to the UK as a whole is something to be scared of significantly.

I'm just wondering how the hell it works. I mean, how can one of their unofficial courts force the criminals to abide by their law?

But, I did think it funny how Europe has changed.

Few years ago, Europe said (regarding America and the illegals): Why are you being so hard? They just want jobs!

Today with their sudden increase of muslim immigrants coming: HOLY SHIT!

At 5/7/07 09:58 PM, Memorize wrote: I'm just wondering how the hell it works. I mean, how can one of their unofficial courts force the criminals to abide by their law?

They use shame, basically. That's the sort of risk you take when you don't press charges and use an alternative system instead.

Firstly Jon-86, learn to spell!

Secondly, I won't mind whatever happens!

Stop flaming, especially if your not going to add to the thread or post any new info. I can spell, however if I typed the way I normally type (as in the way I normally talk also, with a heavy accent) you wouldn’t understand what I was saying.

But for lack of an edit button I can’t fix my mistakes.

I have suggested that also a ‘preview post’ feature. If you care so much about proper grammar and spelling then start a petition on this forum for these features to help us fix our mistakes instead of flaming me.

At 5/5/07 10:31 AM, MickTheChampion wrote: I voted Labour, but from the looks of the results yesterday you English are quite happy to lie down and get fucked by another Tory government.

If David Cameron is the next Prime Minister, next time I'll be voting to break up Britain. I won't live under the Tories.

No, Gordon Brown will be PM and he'll say "Oh look a Tony Blair crumb" and eventually he will have a Tony loaf and do the same fucking mistakes as Blair did. And he'll be more than happy to spend all of the UK's money on crap we don't need.

At 5/9/07 02:01 PM, MickTheChampion wrote:

At 5/9/07 01:35 PM, Brick-top wrote:

No, Gordon Brown will be PM and he'll say "Oh look a Tony Blair crumb" and eventually he will have a Tony loaf and do the same fucking mistakes as Blair did. And he'll be more than happy to spend all of the UK's money on crap we don't need.

...a Tony loaf?

Yes, I suppose we must always refer to politicans as dairy products lol

It is a very interesting situation now with the SNP. I think Scottish Labour is just going to sit back and hope that the SNP fail at running the government.

At 5/11/07 01:18 PM, LegendaryLukus wrote: It is a very interesting situation now with the SNP. I think Scottish Labour is just going to sit back and hope that the SNP fail at running the government.

Or, I want the SNP to fuck up so badly, that in a few years time when Scotland see's how successful England is under a Tory government, Scotland will hopefully vote Conservative in the next Scottish Elections.

This is an old thread I know! But its basically the same thing, so their was no point making a new thread. See the search feature dose work :P

Anyway the SNP announced its plans for a referendum, quite good. I still have my reservations about them as a party, but this is a step forward in my opinion, and basically the main reason I voted for them.

So even though it has been "nah this will never happen" when I originally posted this thread, it seems that "well aye it might just happen now" and if the opposition shoot it down. It will basically hand the SNP their next election campaign on a silver plate!

My main question to the folk down in auld england is. Will you be happy to see the back of us?

So even though it has been "nah this will never happen" when I originally posted this thread, it seems that "well aye it might just happen now" and if the opposition shoot it down. It will basically hand the SNP their next election campaign on a silver plate!

The opposition will shoot it down, and I don't think they'll be many political casualties in the process. Opinions polls are showing over and over again that Scotland is still in favour of the Union and remember that the SNP is still a minority government.

Suggesting a referendum at this time could also lose the SNP a lot of votes. Opposition parties have blasted them for introducing it at a time when Britain and Scotland should be focusing on recovering from this economic downturn.

My main question to the folk down in auld england is. Will you be happy to see the back of us?

Not at all. Scotland want the Union, England wants the Union, Wales and Northern Ireland want the Union. Balkanising the UK isn't going to do you or I any good. Scotland already enjoys a certain degree of autonomy in it's politics and that's how it should be. Everyone is fairly represented.

Now if only the SNP used this representation to focus more on real issues other than a referendum that is bound to be defeated.

At 9/3/09 06:18 PM, Ledgey wrote: The opposition will shoot it down, and I don't think they'll be many political casualties in the process. Opinions polls are showing over and over again that Scotland is still in favour of the Union and remember that the SNP is still a minority government.

Recent opinion polls showed 52% in favour of independence, but their only opinion polls and don't actually represent the country.

Suggesting a referendum at this time could also lose the SNP a lot of votes. Opposition parties have blasted them for introducing it at a time when Britain and Scotland should be focusing on recovering from this economic downturn.

Would you not say an independent government with the authority to actually make changes, would be in a better position to tackle the economic problems of the people it represents? I see it as the exact opposite in that independence will make it easier for the Scottish government to recover the Scottish economy.

Its not as if this will be taking up all of the governments time. They will be working on the economy and every other problem we face in the mean time.

Not at all. Scotland want the Union, England wants the Union, Wales and Northern Ireland want the Union. Balkanising the UK isn't going to do you or I any good. Scotland already enjoys a certain degree of autonomy in it's politics and that's how it should be. Everyone is fairly represented.

I for one don't think were fairly represented, and if we wanted the Union then the SNP (whose main reason for being is to end the union) wouldn't be in government right now. I don't know about Wales, The north of Ireland is a whole other thread on its own.

Now if only the SNP used this representation to focus more on real issues other than a referendum that is bound to be defeated.

It wasn't that long ago the Labour party said "bring it on" if they do ignore this I will be interested to see what happens to voter numbers after that. I know for a fact lots of Labour voters (who vote labour because their parents did) support the idea of more economic powers for the Scottish government. So we will see ;-)

At 9/3/09 05:59 PM, LaForge wrote: but I do remember he resents England.

He is an arsehole then !

As an American, I'm unfamiliar with the political climate in Scotland; nor do I know the sociopolitical consequences of Scottish secession. I am aware that most of the British coast facing Northern Ireland is in Scotland, and wonder about the ramifications of that if Scotland does secede.

That said, I am also somewhat familiar with the circumstances under which Scotland and England formed into the British kingdom, which if I understand correctly were less than pleasant for both sides; and being of heavy Scottish ancestry I hold a distant admiration for the people and culture.

But above all else, I am an advocate for the will of a people and their right to self-determination. If the Scots want sovereignty, I say let it be done. But if the majority opt to remain with the Union, then let no one take it away from them.

Recent opinion polls showed 52% in favour of independence, but their only opinion polls and don't actually represent the country.

Link? If you're refering to the Telegraph poll (heh, pun?), then that's from 2006. If you compare to a more recent BBC poll, that suggests that only 38% of people in Scotland want independence.

Would you not say an independent government with the authority to actually make changes, would be in a better position to tackle the economic problems of the people it represents? I see it as the exact opposite in that independence will make it easier for the Scottish government to recover the Scottish economy.

Not at all. If anything it would do absolutely bugger all except make the Scottish economy totally reliant on the English one. It's what happened to Ireland when they became independant and it is still true to an extent today (changing English with Great British ofcourse).

Its not as if this will be taking up all of the governments time. They will be working on the economy and every other problem we face in the mean time.

What I mean is that instead of focusing on the economy which has hit Scotland and Britain hard, they choose a bloody referendum as their primary flagship bill! That's just asking to get ditched.

I for one don't think were fairly represented, and if we wanted the Union then the SNP (whose main reason for being is to end the union) wouldn't be in government right now. I don't know about Wales, The north of Ireland is a whole other thread on its own.

SNP are a minority government. If you translate their percentage of votes to people wanting independence, it would come up at just under a third. Unionist parties outnumber independence parties in all of the home nations.

It wasn't that long ago the Labour party said "bring it on" if they do ignore this I will be interested to see what happens to voter numbers after that. I know for a fact lots of Labour voters (who vote labour because their parents did) support the idea of more economic powers for the Scottish government. So we will see ;-)

Supporting more political and economical freedoms for Scotland doesn't necessarily mean they want to secede. I'm completely for allowing Scotland to be represented as much as possible, which is why we have the Scottish Parliament. Look at the recent release of Lockerbie Bomber. A wholly international affair (rather poorly handled if you ask me) that the Scottish government handled solely on it's own without interference from Westminster.

Either way, in 5 or 6 years we'll all be bowing down to Lord Blair, President of the EU as his Eurofighters pull down all form of resistance to the new regime in Brussels.

At 9/3/09 08:46 PM, Ledgey wrote:

Recent opinion polls showed 52% in favour of independence, but their only opinion polls and don't actually represent the country.

Link? If you're refering to the Telegraph poll (heh, pun?), then that's from 2006. If you compare to a more recent BBC poll, that suggests that only 38% of people in Scotland want independence.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8125 041.stm

I will reply to the rest a bit later as I have stuff to do.

At 9/5/09 10:02 AM, Jon-86 wrote:

At 9/3/09 08:46 PM, Ledgey wrote:

Recent opinion polls showed 52% in favour of independence, but their only opinion polls and don't actually represent the country.

Link? If you're refering to the Telegraph poll (heh, pun?), then that's from 2006. If you compare to a more recent BBC poll, that suggests that only 38% of people in Scotland want independence.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8125 041.stm

I will reply to the rest a bit later as I have stuff to do.

Bastard I meant to say in favour of the referendum :0 My bad, but anyway the question should be asked, the unionists fear this and that's why they will vote it down. Clearly ignoring what most of us want.

At 9/5/09 10:04 AM, Jon-86 wrote:

At 9/5/09 10:02 AM, Jon-86 wrote:

At 9/3/09 08:46 PM, Ledgey wrote:

Recent opinion polls showed 52% in favour of independence, but their only opinion polls and don't actually represent the country.

Link? If you're refering to the Telegraph poll (heh, pun?), then that's from 2006. If you compare to a more recent BBC poll, that suggests that only 38% of people in Scotland want independence.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8125 041.stm

I will reply to the rest a bit later as I have stuff to do.

Bastard I meant to say in favour of the referendum :0 My bad, but anyway the question should be asked, the unionists fear this and that's why they will vote it down. Clearly ignoring what most of us want.

I never said that Scotland should never have a referendum, what I'm saying is that they shouldn't have it right now. To put it as a flagship policy at a time when we're in the depths of recession is stupid.

Anyway, one of the last major calls for a Scottish Referendum was by a Labour MSP, I can't remember when or who but I'll check later if you want. So even Unionists have called for one, just to get this bloody argument over with.

At 9/5/09 07:25 PM, Ledgey wrote: I never said that Scotland should never have a referendum, what I'm saying is that they shouldn't have it right now. To put it as a flagship policy at a time when we're in the depths of recession is stupid.

Why? During the election the SNP said we will have an independence referendum after we prove ourselves in government. They have done that and they are proposing this when they said they would. A party keeping to its promise made during the election as far as I'm concerned.

Why? During the election the SNP said we will have an independence referendum after we prove ourselves in government. They have done that and they are proposing this when they said they would. A party keeping to its promise made during the election as far as I'm concerned.

Because we have more important things to worry about than a referendum that will most likely fail if it was done right now.

They're putting SNP over Scotland.

At 9/6/09 07:16 AM, Ledgey wrote:

Why? During the election the SNP said we will have an independence referendum after we prove ourselves in government. They have done that and they are proposing this when they said they would. A party keeping to its promise made during the election as far as I'm concerned.

Because we have more important things to worry about than a referendum that will most likely fail if it was done right now.

They're putting SNP over Scotland.

Ahh the soundbite of the opposition! The referendum is about Scotlands interests, you honestly can't say this referendum will have no impact on the economy. That is the main problem we face. And an independent government will be in a much better position to actually tackle the problems we face. As opposed to the current devolved government who are doing as good as they can. Its like fighting the countries problems with one hand tied behind your back.

Thats the glass ceiling their talking about...

At 9/8/09 10:17 AM, TheAdd wrote: WHAT??? The union has been around for ages, you really want it gone; WTF!.
Then what happens to the stunning flag we have?
Wales can't cope alone, plus whats wrong with being a united place?

So who cares how long it has been around? The act of union was signed because Scotland had fallen on hard times and the people at the top thought they would like to get into bed with the English. And this was done while most if not all the working class were opposed to it and rioted. The nation was signed away in secret and the the British army put down the rebels.

The UK will either keep the union flag as is or remove the St Andrews cross from it. Finally Wales has nothing to do with it, if they wasn't to become independent then that's up to them. Their are a number of reasons why I don't like the union, some personal some political. But is a modern world with globalisation in place Scotland could benefit going it alone. Theirs that and also some things are done differently in Scotland which are just better for the average person. I think it would be a good move if our own government actually had the same authority as the British one instead of being a subset of Westminster.

Economic globalization...! You no longer need to be a massive body to trade globally

At 9/8/09 05:45 PM, CrabPope wrote: Why do you want separation? Is is because of Braveheart? Is it because you don't like English people?

And that is just an idiotic comment! Read the thread first! I have said why. What has a film got to do with anything? And no I like English people I even have English family, and shock horror I know some English people who dislike the British government as much as I do. In fact I would say ask any person in England who isn't a politician if they trust their government right now. You would be surprised what most of them would say.