Liberalism: Unnatural Cancer

[YukonLjossal]

There are fairly easy ways to describe the views of politics. They may be a little bit simplified, but generally these are correct.

Liberals (Especially Democrats) - Desire to help others through the transfer of rights, tax money, culture... etc. to others.

Conservatives - Want to reserve their own rights, culture, tax money for themselves and their children.

Now. Human nature is selfish by design, as that is the only way to ensure survival of one's genes. Doesn't this mean that Liberalism is unnatural? In fact, if you think about it, most highly educated people are liberal while most uneducated people are conservative. This would mean that it takes years of strenuous thought to change onesself into a liberal. What could possibly be more unnatural?

So I propose that we rid the world of this cancer of liberalism, a flaw in the human psyche that ensures self destruction, and the dominance of others over the wielder's gene pool.

Say what you wish.

[Nirvana13666]

In defining the differences between liberalism and conservatism, there are five main political spectrums to consider. These are:

1. Individualism vs. Altruism
2. Anarchy vs. Organization
3. Democracy vs. Constitutionalism
4. Equality vs. Merit
5. Competition vs. Cooperation
Continued

[lapslf]

Humans are social creatures. They live and groups and (are supposed to) support each other. What's unnatural about that? It's not just struggle for you own survival, it's struggle for the survival of your kind.

And if you look at it the way you do, conservatives aren't very natural too. Practically all conservatives support the death penalty, while the most unnatural thing to do is to kill your own kind.

If you think it's unnatural to help eacht other out (I don't think you're completely serious though), that go ahead and live only for yourself and your children. But I can assure you that it won't be good for your popularity.

[Commander-K25]

At 5/20/03 12:29 PM, YukonLjossal wrote: In fact, if you think about it, most highly educated people are liberal while most uneducated people are conservative. This would mean that it takes years of strenuous thought to change onesself into a liberal. What could possibly be more unnatural?

Actually, many uneducated people are poor and thus liberal because they think that means they're going to get free money and help from the govt. And there are many educated conservatives.

So I propose that we rid the world of this cancer of liberalism, a flaw in the human psyche that ensures self destruction, and the dominance of others over the wielder's gene pool.

Absolutely correct.

[lapslf]

At 5/20/03 01:51 PM, Commander-K25 wrote:

So I propose that we rid the world of this cancer of liberalism, a flaw in the human psyche that ensures self destruction, and the dominance of others over the wielder's gene pool.

Absolutely correct.

This means war...

[mattymetro]

well.. humans were made to spread their genes...
But also humans were made to learn and to comprehend.. Everyone is different.. people just get thrown into these groups... You have to look at the big big picture.. by not helping surrounding people and environment.. you are setting yourself up for potential problems with them in the long run.

[Commander-K25]

At 5/20/03 02:06 PM, mattymetro wrote: by not helping surrounding people and environment.. you are setting yourself up for potential problems with them in the long run.

These are more stereotypes about conservatism. Most conservatives DO want to help people, just not the way that liberals do. Those on the left want to help people by creating a larger and larger govt. to "take care" of people. Conservatives believe that bigger govt. is not the answer. The only way people can improve themselves is with hard work, they must become independent and self-reliant, things that can never happen when people are living off the govt. welfare check and the money of others. Liberals want to rob some people to pay off others. Conservatives say that people helping people, rather than big govt., is the solution. That's why most conservatives also support a wide range of charity groups and service organizations. On a local level, people can help each other. On an organized national scale where big government takes control of everything, needs cannot be accurately assessed and problems diagnosed and the only results are high taxes, bloat and inefficiency in govt. and a lower class that are entirely dependent on their government welfare like addicts to a drug. It's enough to string them along until their next fix, but it will never solve their problems.

[TheShrike]

Interesting idea for a thread....

Too bad it's fatally flawed and designed to inflame rather than to provoke thought.

[bumcheekcity]

At 5/20/03 12:29 PM, YukonLjossal wrote: Liberals (Especially Democrats) - Desire to help others through the transfer of rights, tax money, culture... etc. to others.

I disagree kinda with that ststement. Liberal to me means that you agree that all men are created equal and want to give everyone a fair chance regardless of rsace, gender or religion. The liberal you are describing is actually communism.

Conservatives - Want to reserve their own rights, culture, tax money for themselves and their children.

Now. Human nature is selfish by design, as that is the only way to ensure survival of one's genes. Doesn't this mean that Liberalism is unnatural? In fact, if you think about it, most highly educated people are liberal while most uneducated people are conservative. This would mean that it takes years of strenuous thought to change onesself into a liberal. What could possibly be more unnatural?

Human nature is social. Even when we were chimps we had a complicated social order and helped our fellow man.

So I propose that we rid the world of this cancer of liberalism, a flaw in the human psyche that ensures self destruction, and the dominance of others over the wielder's gene pool.

Ya, Herr Hitler!

Say what you wish.

I believe you are a nutter. You are proposing taking away peoples rights to free speech, which is regarded by some to be the most important of all.

[Lyddiechu]

all governments are inherently "natural" because they were all created for one purpose: self preservation. they are all selfish and amoral no matter what idealism they spout.

but hell, that's fine with me. i am all for any government that keeps me safe for a long long time regardless of rights...

that does not make me a die hard conservative or fascist or anything of the sort. ultra-opressive governments breed resistance and violence.. so do governments that keep a large sector of the populace poor, unhealthy and socially depressed since they are only a strain on the world in that state. the safest government is the one that keeps the most people happy, employed, and allows for the voice of dissent.

[FUNKbrs]

At 5/20/03 04:18 PM, Lyddiechu wrote:

come to the DAG side Lyddiechu.......come to the DAG side......

[YukonLjossal]

Well, that was fun. =P I'm a moderate, but I'm an NRA member. I was just throwing that out there because I feel that liberalism can be awfully unpatriotic.

"You can do what you want, just don't take away my guns." - My Dad

[Lyddiechu]

At 5/20/03 05:03 PM, YukonLjossal wrote: Well, that was fun. =P I'm a moderate, but I'm an NRA member. I was just throwing that out there because I feel that liberalism can be awfully unpatriotic.

1st of all i have to say i am obsessed with charleton heston because he can pull off both playing moses in the 10 commandments AND loves guns at the same time...

now that that's out of the way.. liberalism is in many ways more patriotic than conservatism (if we are defining liberalism as democratic and all movements to the left of that and conservatism as republican and to the right). some liberals (but not most democrats, those pussies) have the balls to criticize their nation which is much much more patriotic than standing idly by and watching your contry go down in flames like conservatives do. i love america, i love my rights, and i love my military... but i am willing to speak out agianst anything that stands in the way of america's pure, origional lockeian ideas. i don't want some conservative bullshit like the patriot act fucking with my right to free speech.. that's just unamerican.

[YukonLjossal]

nah, i agree about the patriot act. You have to admit though, democrats view the constitution not as a set of rules, but as a set of obstacles to get around.

[Lyddiechu]

At 5/20/03 11:24 PM, YukonLjossal wrote: nah, i agree about the patriot act. You have to admit though, democrats view the constitution not as a set of rules, but as a set of obstacles to get around.

i must disagree. republicans are always trying to screw with our rights (reproductive, civil, economic, you name it)

who is trying to overturn roe v. wade.. who takes money from fundamentalist christians and bashes gay rights.. who wants to cut the safety net from under its citizens? i believe that is the mainstream republican party of today.

[Nirvana13666]

At 5/20/03 11:46 PM, Lyddiechu wrote:

At 5/20/03 11:24 PM, YukonLjossal wrote:

i must disagree. republicans are always trying to screw with our rights (reproductive, civil, economic, you name it)

who is trying to overturn roe v. wade.. who takes money from fundamentalist christians and bashes gay rights.. who wants to cut the safety net from under its citizens? i believe that is the mainstream republican party of today.

Nice to see a fresh new poster with great ideals...welcome Lyddiechu..it sure is nice to have you

[Slizor]

Why is the word Natural associated with good? The Plague was natural....was that good? And isn't "Unnatual Cancer" an oxymoron?

[FUNKbrs]

At 5/21/03 02:40 PM, Slizor wrote: Why is the word Natural associated with good? The Plague was natural....was that good? And isn't "Unnatual Cancer" an oxymoron?

Damnit slizor, quit making me agree with you by using logic.

[Lyddiechu]

Nice to see a fresh new poster with great ideals...welcome Lyddiechu..it sure is nice to have you

*blushes* awww ain't you sweet...

[bumcheekcity]

At 5/21/03 02:40 PM, Slizor wrote: Why is the word Natural associated with good? The Plague was natural....was that good? And isn't "Unnatual Cancer" an oxymoron?

Which a brilliant argument to counter homophobia. The old 'Gays are unnatural' argument.