Darfur genocide

[Pyrokenesis]

Hundreds of thousands of villagers have slaughtered in Darfur in Sudan, and the international community is doing next to nothing.

You all know how UN is, useless apparatus. They can't do anything even though Sudan government is disguising warplanes as UN relief airplanes, as white and with "UN" markings. What a powerless entity UN is.

What's happening to the morality of this world? They've been discussing this Darfur crisis for years, and meanwhile hundreds of thousands of people have died and millions fled. And now they want to give them more time, what a freaking nightmare.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/a frica/article1678083.ece

The Russians and Chineese seem to be pro-genocide, just look at how strongly they opposed intervention in Kosovo when kosovo-albanians were being slaughtered. Now they threaten veto against any Sudan intervention.

The UN is useless.

It only works when its component parts choose to give its name meaning, once divided its just a place for diplomats to have a quite chat. Its predessesor, the League of Nations, suffered the same problems, once a powerful member decided it no longer wished to play that game (Adolf Hitler), it became an irrelevance .

Makes me wonder if this United Nations should be ignored.

[SyntheticTacos]

The UN doesn't have enough power. Having the nations that are DOING the evil as members is part of that, but it is good that there is one national organization like that. But it's difficult to intervene, and there just doesn't seem to be enough support for it. A lot of people say "Well it's not our business," or "It's Africa, they're supposed to kill each other, lol". And when the U.S. goes in, it gets called imperialist, and now that it stays out it is called heartless. Personally I'd rather it be called imperialist and help stop the REAL slaughter in Darfur, but there just doesn't seem to be enough focus there. The African Union is too new to take care of it, apparently. Maybe someday the UN will get its stuff together.

[troubles1]

Yes it is wrong Yes it should be something the UN should take seriously, at the same time The US does enough to help the world and we get shit on . I know that being the super power comes with responsibility , but in this case we should stay out of it until the rest of the world steps up takes charge then maybe we can ,or should do more than we currently are.

[Korriken]

well you can't expect american and british soldiers to sort out EVERYTHING now can you?

I say we make the french go in and fix the... nevermind they're waving the white flag... wow that was fast..

well you can't count on Russia for anything but cheap vodka, and the only thing China is good for is ruining MMORPG economies and making cheap toys.

Personally, I say we just scrap the UN, as they are a useless bunch of diplomats who can't get a damned thing done, and just communicate with other nations on a 1 on 1 basis, and inviting others over when we think they might be needed. that way, no nation can bind the hands of several others because they are raging pussies who are afraid to spill a bit of blood.

[Tancrisism]

Does anyone here have Google Earth? If so, and if you have upgraded to Google Earth 4 (If you haven't you must in order to do what I'm about to describe) there is a feature which allows you to look at every single village and every house that has been burned by the government. It is fucking amazing in how fucking horrid it is. You zoom into one village and you notice how intricately burned each house is, and how each house could have sheltered anywhere from 1-6 human beings, and then you zoom out a little to notice that there are huge black sweltering wounds taking place of most of those houses, and zoom out to notice a little fire mark to mark the village, indicating if it's mostly burnt or completely burnt, and zoom out more to see that there are about 4 villages which suffered the same fate in the direct area; zoom out more to see that there are 20; more to see 200; more to see over 2000.

It's unbelievable. There is no way that you can see all the destruction in a half-hour sitting, not even in two hours.

I would strongly reccomend it. It's a huge eye-opener to anyone who cares.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

who the fuck cares? most of them were gonna die from AIDS or hunger anyways its good population control.

[SyntheticTacos]

At 4/27/07 02:21 AM, Tancrisism wrote: (Google Earth)

Yeah, I found out about that a week or two ago, it's pretty amazing.

[Altarus]

The UN is worthless in combating genocide. I think that is an established fact by now.

And the last thing the US needs is to go and attack another oil-rich Muslim nation. I can already hear the conspiracy theories and the anti-American venom: "American went to war for oil." It is what they said in Afghanistan and Iraq, and it is what they will say with Darfur.

Who else is going to do it?

[Tancrisism]

At 4/28/07 12:25 AM, SyntheticTacos wrote:

At 4/27/07 02:21 AM, Tancrisism wrote: (Google Earth)

Yeah, I found out about that a week or two ago, it's pretty amazing.

It's fucking unbelievable. After posting I decided to study up on it a little more (via Google Earth) and then went to bed soon after when I finished rocking back and forth in the corner.

[JakeHero]

How about we fix the genocide in Iraq before we start revitalizing Darfur?

[HighlyIllogical]

Iraq is not fixable at the moment. Darfur could be fixed by sending in the 2nd Marine Division with appropriate support and very, VERY few ROE.

[JakeHero]

At 4/28/07 03:02 PM, HighlyIllogical wrote: Iraq is not fixable at the moment.

That all depends on your definition of fixing. If you mean routing insurgents then no, if you mean keeping either the Sunnis or insurgents from instilling Shia law and massacring thousands of people then yes, it can be fixed.

Darfur could be fixed by sending in the 2nd Marine Division with appropriate support and very, VERY few ROE.

Ah, but I thought we'd be exhausting our manpower if we engage Iran, but we won't be if you take on the Darfur militias and perhaps even Kenya?

[HighlyIllogical]

We could take on the militias. Iran actually has a decent organized military. The militias don't have things like, oh, tanks and surface to air missiles...

[JakeHero]

At 4/28/07 03:12 PM, HighlyIllogical wrote: We could take on the militias.

Right. That's what alot of the field commanders in Baghdad thought when the insurgents first surfaced.

Iran actually has a decent organized military. The militias don't have things like, oh, tanks and surface to air missiles...

I doubt that. Africa can be considered semi-feudalistic at this point. It would be reasonable to assume they have the same equipment the Iraqi Insurgents would have, plus the utilization guerrilla warfare when it comes to a fight with the US, not only that, but we'd also probably have the surrounding nations to worry about, I doubt they'd appreciate a Western interloper on their continent.

My point, we take care of one problem at a time, unless it is a matter of destruction for the USA.

[Korriken]

to destroy the USA you would have to invade the USA and I feel sorry for any rat bastard who thinks he can handle the USA without massive armor and air support.

what does it take to kill a soldier? it takes no more than it takes to kill a civilian. a .22 shot to the throat will kill a soldier in a kevlar vest and helmet. and we got PLENTY of .22s lying around, many with scopes that can hit at 300 yards.

[Tancrisism]

The thing is, Iran isn't committing mass genocide; Sudan is.

[emmytee]

At 4/28/07 03:07 PM, JakeHero wrote:

Ah, but I thought we'd be exhausting our manpower if we engage Iran, but we won't be if you take on the Darfur militias and perhaps even Kenya?

No. Seriously a few thousand marines, maybe a carrier group and its solved.

[Loch-Ness-Monster]

If we don't get involved then we'll be accused of being complicit in genocide by sitting back letting it happen. If we do get involved we'll be accused of actually committing genocide when a single person is killed and get accused of being imperialists. So fuck it, Britain gets dragged into the problems of other countries far too often. We should just be like the Swiss.