Newgrounds.com — Everything, By Everyone.

At 4/26/07 05:33 PM, HighlyIllogical wrote: Those kinds of crimes are reported. Who in hell would report that they had or gave an abortion if it's illegal?

If they saw one, saw something mysterious, saw doctors doing it, and other supscicous events that can surrond it.

Even if women continue to do it in an underground setting, many will not and that alone is a victory.

And actually some women might report that they did have an abortion after they had one, some mental depression and what not.

There is no medical evidence suggesting that there are mental problems related to abortion...

Anyway...
"Between 1973 and 1997, the mortality rate associated with legal abortion
procedures declined from 4.1 to 0.6 per 100,000 abortions.6 The American Medical
Association’s Council on Scientific Affairs credits the shift from illegal to legal abortion
services as an important factor in the decline of the abortion-related death rate after Roe v.
Wade.7"

5
Laurie D. Elam-Evans et al., Centers for Disease Control & Prevention, Abortion Surveillance – United
States, 1999, 51 MORBIDITY & MORTALITY WEEKLY REP. 1, 28, tbl. 19 (2002).
7
After Roe v Wade: Trends in the Mortality and Morbidity of Women, 268 JAMA 3231, 3232 (1992).

At 4/26/07 06:31 PM, HighlyIllogical wrote: There is no medical evidence suggesting that there are mental problems related to abortion...

Did I ever say there was? I said there have been increasing accounts of women suffering all sorts of emoitional and mental problems after thier abortion.

Anyway...

And this is supposed to argue what?

I believe I'm paraphrasing House here... but
With abortions, there is little gray area. One can argue all about trimesters (sp?) and such, but there is a very clear line: birth.

Nice way for the federal government to create a gray area.

BTW I support abortion %100 because I feel that a mother should have the right to choose.

Mortified, of course there's going to be common mental trauma related to abortion. Having an abortion does not make you a dirty whore as it is generalized to be. If you see the kind of emotion a lot of women have about having a child you can see how emotional it would be if they lost one.

But I thought it wasn't the government's job to interfere in that, right?

At 4/26/07 04:59 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 4/26/07 03:52 PM, HighlyIllogical wrote:

If it's illegal, then how do you find stats....?

How do people find stats for murder, theft, rape and other crimes?

Wie so.

Prease ignore my previous post... saw one thing out of context and ran with it.

At 4/26/07 09:34 PM, SyntheticTacos wrote:

But I thought it wasn't the government's job to interfere in that, right?

It's not the Federal governments but thats a different matter.

The mental stress and depression that I was talking about were just examples I used.

Those claims (abortion ---> depression etc.) have been called into question (I would go as far as to say that they're B.S.):

(Source: http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/bmj.3 8623.532384.55v1)

"Evidence that choosing to terminate rather than deliver an unwanted first pregnancy puts women at higher risk of depression is inconclusive."

At 4/27/07 10:05 PM, HighlyIllogical wrote:

"Evidence that choosing to terminate rather than deliver an unwanted first pregnancy puts women at higher risk of depression is inconclusive."

So then neither side can use it as proof.

I'm cool with that then.

I believe the father should have an equal say in the issue. If he doesn't want it aborted than it shouldn't, for the child is his too. Also keep in mind that if the father DOES want it aborted but mom doesn't and it gets born in our laws today the father has to pay child support. Why should women be the only ones with a pass. Either let fathers make financial abortions or outlaw all abortions.

At 4/27/07 10:05 PM, HighlyIllogical wrote: Those claims (abortion ---> depression etc.) have been called into question (I would go as far as to say that they're B.S.):

What tickles me pink is how some women will do a 180 when they see an ultra sound of their... fetus before going through with the abortion.

Guilt? I don't know.

At 4/29/07 02:56 AM, Memorize wrote:

At 4/27/07 10:05 PM, HighlyIllogical wrote:

Guilt? I don't know.

Motherly instinct.

When a woman's pregnant, the protection of that child is the utmost issue to her, mentally and to her instincts.

Reason why women have big problems giving away newborns to adoption agencies as well.