At 4/19/07 09:52 PM, Boltrig wrote:
At 4/19/07 09:31 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:
Yuh huh, and how many people using guns in crimes had licences for the guns I wonder?
How many people using guns in crime will give up their gun if they get banned? you can probably count the number on the hands of this guy.
Why the hell does it matter of massacres of larger scale don't take place anymore if more people still die over all?Criminals have guns in America too. Rising gun crime is due to (wait for it) criminals! You think regular people having guns will solve that?
simple self defense is a deterrent, especially if the criminals know that they could get killed if they break into someone's home or attack someone. if you take away people's guns then the criminals with guns have little to fear, and as long as they get away before any cops show up they're relatively safe from retaliation. However, if the person is armed with his own gun, he can injure or even kill the attacker, preventing his own demise as well as the demise of family members.
It has everything to do with it. Thomas Hamilton had a firearms licence. His gun was legal. If guns are illegal, then you can be certain that only criminals have guns, rather than be suspicious of everyone who has one.
If you have something that no one can defend against, it emboldens you to use it, especially if you have no qualms in harming or killing to get what you want.
If you are adamantly in favour of having a gun, even for "defence" then it proves you have the mind set of someone willing to kill. Thats not a healthy state of mind.
To say, "I don't need to defend myself" is Naive and foolish. You can't always rely on someone else (the cops) to assist you in a bad situation. Defending yourself is not a bad thing. you're so adamantly against legal gun ownership, that you remove any and all pros to the situation out of your mind and meditate on the cons. Not allowing people that are diagnosed with mental problems access to guns. that is fair. but to say the average Joe who just wants to make sure his family and home are safe will have to settle for taking on a gun toting criminal with his bare hands? bullshit. if someone breaks into my house, I'll be damned sure to use my gun on them. (but what if its a family member?) well, I keep my door locked at night with a bolt that cannot be opened from the outside, so if they get in, they had to use considerable force to get the door opened, and how many people do you know that will force your door open in the middle of the night just to say "Hi!"?
consider this hypothetical but very possible situation. you are asleep one night when you hear a window break. you go to phone the police but the line is dead; the criminal cut the phone line at the box. your phone is now useless and you cannot dial for help. you try to dial your cell phone only to find out that you have no signal, something is jamming your signal and you cannot call out on your cell phone. you have no weapons in your house, as you do not believe in having a weapon. Help will not come because you cannot call for help. you hear a scram from another room; it's one of your children screaming for help! you rush to your child's side, but the criminal, not wanting to be identified, turns to you and fires 1 round into your chest with a supressed .22 pistol. you fall backwards, unable to breathe because the bullet has punctured your lung. the criminal walks past you into your child's bedroom and opens fire shooting him/her in the head, killing your child. blood fills your lung and searing pain runs across your chest. you look up to see that the criminal has noted that you still live and fires one last shot into your head, killing you. the criminal then walks into your bedroom, kills your wife, plunders anything of value and walks out. The next day your neighbor sees a broken window, and comes over to let you know about it to find your entire family dead.
all because you lacked the means to fight back. a pity. had you had a gun you could have took the initiative and taken out the criminal before he could endanger your family. the criminals all have guns, why should you not be on the same level they are? why should you settle for an inferior means to fight back? if you don't arm yourself, then you're no better off than a feudal peasent at the mercy of the soldiers.