The Massacre

[JMHX]

BAGHDAD - Suspected Sunni insurgents penetrated the Baghdad security net Wednesday, hitting Shiite targets with four bomb attacks that killed at least 183 people — the bloodiest day since the U.S. troop surge began nine weeks ago.

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Lest we forget, the 33 Tech Hokies are the biggest fucking deal in this world.

[stafffighter]

death priorities= americans in america > americans out of america> everyone else. At this point only the first catagory will really inturupt your mac and cheese

[uhnoesanoob]

At 4/18/07 06:22 PM, JMHX wrote: BAGHDAD - Suspected Sunni insurgents penetrated the Baghdad security net Wednesday, hitting Shiite targets with four bomb attacks that killed at least 183 people — the bloodiest day since the U.S. troop surge began nine weeks ago.

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Lest we forget, the 33 Tech Hokies are the biggest fucking deal in this world.

Its true, sometimes we see Americans as better then othe people. TY for posting it.

[ManateeGod]

At 4/18/07 06:22 PM, JMHX wrote: Lest we forget, the 33 Tech Hokies are the biggest fucking deal in this world.

It hurts more when it's closer to home. In all brutal honesty, 911 didn't bother me one bit, and the last thing I read in the news that made me feel sad was the death of four Canadians in Kandahar... only because my cousin is a lieutenant out there, and I was worried for his safety.

Forgive me for being so cold but:

Either realise that any catastrophe is bad, regardless of magnitude. Infact, to m it's more of the intent to be malicious behind the act than the actual damage done. Therefore getting upset that one wrong in the world is overshadowing another.

- Or -

Accept that most people only care about themselves, and what's close to them.

[TheShrike]

At 4/18/07 06:22 PM, JMHX wrote: Lest we forget, the 33 Tech Hokies are the biggest fucking deal in this world.

Amen.

[LazyDrunk]

It's not like you care about Iraq! You don't do this and this and this! And this too!

Look at this! How about this!

Hey!

. . . . what's the issue here, whether or not you'd like to act prickish towards Group X?

[uhnoesanoob]

At 4/18/07 06:28 PM, Xtesh wrote:

At 4/18/07 06:25 PM, uhnoesanoob wrote: Its true, sometimes we see Americans as better then othe people. TY for posting it.

Just stop right there. See how you generalized over 300 million people into your own personal views? Try not to do that again.

Calm down, I did not mean we as in every american. I meant sometimes people see some people as better then other people. RIP Victims of bombing.

[ForkRobotik]

Is the usa army a total piece of shit or what? They can't even protect one city in a country of only 25 million!

At 4/18/07 06:22 PM, JMHX wrote: Lest we forget, the 33 Tech Hokies are the biggest fucking deal in this world.

Thousands of miles away or right at home Hmmmmmmm I wonder which one would people give more of a shit about.........

[xineph]

At 4/18/07 06:22 PM, JMHX wrote:
Lest we forget, the 33 Tech Hokies are the biggest fucking deal in this world.

It goes like this:

Massacred Americans>Dead White Americans>Dead White People from Other Countries>Racism Against Black People>Massacred Brown People>Massacred Black People (rare)>Racism Against Any Other Minority>Dead Animals>Dead Members of Any Other Minority

(All of Those Things)<The Father of Anna Nicole Smith's Baby

[SyntheticTacos]

At 4/18/07 08:02 PM, ForkRobotik wrote: Is the usa army a total piece of shit or what? They can't even protect one city in a country of only 25 million!

It's not, it's just merciful. It tries to minimize civilian casualties. It could be like Japan in WWII and brutally massacre thousands of civilians, but that's not acceptable in this day in age (thankfully). It is dealing with an invisible enemy.

[SgtSmiley]

At 4/18/07 07:25 PM, LazyDrunk wrote: It's not like you care about Iraq! You don't do this and this and this! And this too!

Look at this! How about this!

Hey!

. . . . what's the issue here, whether or not you'd like to act prickish towards Group X?

shviggity shvat???

[SyntheticTacos]

At 4/18/07 08:30 PM, SyntheticTacos wrote:

It's not, it's just merciful. It tries to minimize civilian casualties. It could be like Japan in WWII and brutally massacre thousands of civilians, but that's not acceptable in this day in age (thankfully). It is dealing with an invisible enemy.

Not acceptable in this age for the U.S., rather, people seem to accept it when it happens in the Third World. :(

[reviewer-general]

Whoa, JMHX, where the hell have you been?
:D

Obviously we care about the people here rather than the nameless, faceless pixels on thee TV screen every night. There's no attachment, although I can't say there's much for the people in VA either. Not that I don't fell bad, of course I do, but there's no emotional . . . . . damn I can't think of a word . . . . . INVOLVEMENT, let's say.

[AtomicTerrorist]

At 4/18/07 06:24 PM, stafffighter wrote: death priorities= americans in america > americans out of america> everyone else. At this point only the first catagory will really inturupt your mac and cheese

true. \
i think the death toll was higher -- around 200 and some.

I'll find the link

[AtomicTerrorist]

At 4/18/07 08:19 PM, xineph wrote: Massacred Americans>Dead White Americans>Dead White People from Other Countries>Racism Against Black People>Massacred Brown People>Massacred Black People (rare)>Racism Against Any Other Minority>Dead Animals>Dead Members of Any Other Minority

(All of Those Things)<The Father of Anna Nicole Smith's Baby

lol i love the last one... cause its true

[JoS]

At 4/18/07 08:19 PM, xineph wrote: Massacred Black People (rare)

You are kidding right? Oh wait they aren't massacres of black people, they are called genocides when they reach that kind of death toll.

[xineph]

At 4/18/07 09:02 PM, JoS wrote:

At 4/18/07 08:19 PM, xineph wrote: Massacred Black People (rare)

You are kidding right? Oh wait they aren't massacres of black people, they are called genocides when they reach that kind of death toll.

I didn't mean they rarely happen, I mean they're rarely covered.

[uhnoesanoob]

At 4/18/07 08:02 PM, ForkRobotik wrote: Is the usa army a total piece of shit or what? They can't even protect one city in a country of only 25 million!

What is with you and your obsession with Bashing the US?

[Korriken]

At 4/18/07 08:02 PM, ForkRobotik wrote: Is the usa army a total piece of shit or what? They can't even protect one city in a country of only 25 million!

ok smart one, you figure out a fool proof way to spot a random face in a crowd as a terrorist and kill him without ever killing an innocent. you do that, and you will have figured out how to bring an end to the Iraq conflict. It would be easy for me as an america to walk into a mall with a bomb vest under a coat, walk into a large crowd and detonate myself, even if security guards were swarming the place.

It's not like the american and iraqi armies can stop everyone they see and search them for explosives.

[Korriken]

At 4/18/07 09:37 PM, uhnoesanoob wrote:

At 4/18/07 08:02 PM, ForkRobotik wrote: Is the usa army a total piece of shit or what? They can't even protect one city in a country of only 25 million!

What is with you and your obsession with Bashing the US?

its called being a pompous, shallow, hypocritical, foolish, Ignorant, retarded, self loathing, enemy loving, self destructive, self defense hating, criminal loving, Death Penalty hating, Baby Killing, Treasonous, Overly Liberal, defeatist british maggot. That's their job in life, putting down on america to make the UK look better. They call us "Imperialist" which is a hypocrisy, considering that britain is by far worse, noting Scotland, Ireland, a good chunk of africa, american colonies before we kicked em out, repeated attempts on france, just to name a few! Anyway, back to the topic.

It seems like the insurgents are stepping things up quite a bit recently.

[ForkRobotik]

At 4/18/07 10:04 PM, Korriken wrote:

At 4/18/07 08:02 PM, ForkRobotik wrote: Is the usa army a total piece of shit or what? They can't even protect one city in a country of only 25 million!

ok smart one, you figure out a fool proof way to spot a random face in a crowd as a terrorist and kill him without ever killing an innocent. you do that, and you will have figured out how to bring an end to the Iraq conflict. It would be easy for me as an america to walk into a mall with a bomb vest under a coat, walk into a large crowd and detonate myself, even if security guards were swarming the place.

It's not like the american and iraqi armies can stop everyone they see and search them for explosives.

I've got a way. Give everyone in Iraq a million american dollars, and send them all to the different axis of freedom countries. Iraq = peaceful desert full of oil! As a bonus, this would be cheaper than the Iraqi war that is going on right now, so americans could get a tax cut or some crap. And the "iraqi" oil could be equally divided to all countries of the world, on a GDP per capita basis. You might not like this idea though.

You could also leave iraq and let them sort shit out themselves, and when the dust settles, tell whoever wins that Iraq will stay one country and it will be a democracy(of their choosing-but not pseudo-one party bullshit like in Egypt). If they don't like this, tell them you will come back and fuck their shit up again. America is supposed to be some great superpower. If you sit down and say do this shit or you're going down because we have tons of resources to fuck you up, other countries will do it, unless they have nukes to stop you(like north korea).

The usa army is doing the same nonsense tactics that they tried to pull in vietnam, they're playing the waiting game, running around on useless patrols, and infuriating the iraqi public with scandal after scandal. The insurgency has nothing to lose, the usa army can't win by sitting around and hoping they'll get bored. You're not dealing with ADD americans you're dealing with people that feel their country is being occupied by the great Satan himself.

Also, seeing american soldiers teasing iraqi children with water is not how you win over hearts and minds.

[ForkRobotik]

At 4/18/07 10:20 PM, Korriken wrote:

At 4/18/07 09:37 PM, uhnoesanoob wrote:

At 4/18/07 08:02 PM, ForkRobotik wrote: Is the usa army a total piece of shit or what? They can't even protect one city in a country of only 25 million!

What is with you and your obsession with Bashing the US?

its called being a pompous, shallow, hypocritical, foolish, Ignorant, retarded, self loathing, enemy loving, self destructive, self defense hating, criminal loving, Death Penalty hating, Baby Killing, Treasonous, Overly Liberal, defeatist british maggot. That's their job in life, putting down on america to make the UK look better. They call us "Imperialist" which is a hypocrisy, considering that britain is by far worse, noting Scotland, Ireland, a good chunk of africa, american colonies before we kicked em out, repeated attempts on france, just to name a few! Anyway, back to the topic.

It seems like the insurgents are stepping things up quite a bit recently.

1. I'm not british, fool.

2. The british claims on french lands were somewhat legit, based on the English king's Norman ancestry, please read a history book. When Charles the 4th(king of france) died, Edward the 3rd(king of england), was his closest relative.

3. I may kill babies, but atleast i have the decency to send flowers and a thankyou card to their parents!

4. I wasn't bashing America, i was bashing your shitty policies in iraq, because they are shitty, and they are failing iraqis in that country.

[Korriken]

At 4/18/07 10:33 PM, ForkRobotik wrote:

I've got a way. Give everyone in Iraq a million american dollars....

that's dumber than the cut and run idea! this is normal Liberal tactics, throwing money at the situation and hoping it solves itself. Money and banning solve nothing. Here, have some more Koolaid. drink it up, there you go. good Zombie.

You could also leave iraq and let them sort shit out themselves...

and get branded as "cowards", let the insurgents think that they have bested the American and British armies, and let some new non muslim hating regime pop up that was even worse than Saddam? fuck that idea.

The usa army...

of course, you forget to mention that the UK is in on this too. but, whatever, keep the blindfold on, keep screaming about how evil america is, refuse to acknowledge that your country is in on it too. there you go, drink the Koolaid. Guzzle it, there you go. Feel better? good.

Also, seeing american soldiers teasing iraqi children with water is not how you win over hearts and minds.

give me ONE reference showing this. out with it!

[Korriken]

At 4/18/07 10:41 PM, ForkRobotik wrote:

1. I'm not british, fool.

Apparently I have you mixed up with someone else on the forum.. hmm.. oh well, change British and Canadian.

2. The british claims on french lands were somewhat legit, based on the English king's Norman ancestry, please read a history book. When Charles the 4th(king of france) died, Edward the 3rd(king of england), was his closest relative.

true enough, but the french still fought like crazy to prevent the takeover.

3. I may kill babies, but atleast i have the decency to send flowers and a thankyou card to their parents!

so, if we send a box of sweets and a card with a few false words of sympathy to the families of the people we execute it will be alright?

4. I wasn't bashing America, i was bashing your shitty policies in iraq, because they are shitty, and they are failing iraqis in that country.

do you have any BETTER IDEAS? Iraq was kind of an "oh shit" situation. However, if you have a better plan to defeat the insurgents who can blend in with the crowd and strike without notice, let us know, we would love to bring the conflict to a close as much as the next guy. if not, shut up.

[SyntheticTacos]

At 4/18/07 10:33 PM, ForkRobotik wrote:

At 4/18/07 10:04 PM, Korriken wrote:

At 4/18/07 08:02 PM, ForkRobotik wrote: Is the usa army a total piece of shit or what? They can't even protect one city in a country of only 25 million!

ok smart one, you figure out a fool proof way to spot a random face in a crowd as a terrorist and kill him without ever killing an innocent. you do that, and you will have figured out how to bring an end to the Iraq conflict. It would be easy for me as an america to walk into a mall with a bomb vest under a coat, walk into a large crowd and detonate myself, even if security guards were swarming the place.

It's not like the american and iraqi armies can stop everyone they see and search them for explosives.

I've got a way. Give everyone in Iraq a million american dollars, and send them all to the different axis of freedom countries. Iraq = peaceful desert full of oil! As a bonus, this would be cheaper than the Iraqi war that is going on right now, so americans could get a tax cut or some crap. And the "iraqi" oil could be equally divided to all countries of the world, on a GDP per capita basis. You might not like this idea though.

According to current population estimates, I believe that would be over 26 trillion dollars. Also, please tell me your plan to deport 26,783,383 from their own land without regard to their own will.

You could also leave iraq and let them sort shit out themselves, and when the dust settles, tell whoever wins that Iraq will stay one country and it will be a democracy(of their choosing-but not pseudo-one party bullshit like in Egypt). If they don't like this, tell them you will come back and fuck their shit up again. America is supposed to be some great superpower. If you sit down and say do this shit or you're going down because we have tons of resources to fuck you up, other countries will do it, unless they have nukes to stop you(like north korea).

The problem with that is that it seems unlikely that the dust will settle for a very long time due to all the sectarian violence. The U.S. leaving won't stop the militias from killing each other and random defenseless civilians. And whenever the U.S. does use its power to enforce the will of its government by intimidating other nations, you complain, so I don't know why you're saying that.

The usa army is doing the same nonsense tactics that they tried to pull in vietnam, they're playing the waiting game, running around on useless patrols, and infuriating the iraqi public with scandal after scandal. The insurgency has nothing to lose, the usa army can't win by sitting around and hoping they'll get bored. You're not dealing with ADD americans you're dealing with people that feel their country is being occupied by the great Satan himself.

Vietnam was different, there were two sides and the U.S. was fighting for one of them. That was a war that the U.S. could have won.

Also, seeing american soldiers teasing iraqi children with water is not how you win over hearts and minds.

Good job, you took a random video out of context and used the actions of individual soldiers to somehow try to prove some untrue statement.

As anti-right-wing as I am, I'm not that gullible... this war is a very complicated situation and deporting the entire population isn't exactly a viable solution.

[SyntheticTacos]

At 4/18/07 10:41 PM, ForkRobotik wrote:

4. I wasn't bashing America, i was bashing your shitty policies in iraq, because they are shitty, and they are failing iraqis in that country.

They're not our policies, we didn't make them up, the higher-ups in the govt. did, and if approval ratings are any clue the majority of the U.S. doesn't agree with them.

[ForkRobotik]

At 4/18/07 10:51 PM, SyntheticTacos wrote: According to current population estimates, I believe that would be over 26 trillion dollars. Also, please tell me your plan to deport 26,783,383 from their own land without regard to their own will.

You have a point...maybe you should give them mexican pesos or chinese yuan or something. Build them some houses and give them jobs.

The problem with that is that it seems unlikely that the dust will settle for a very long time due to all the sectarian violence. The U.S. leaving won't stop the militias from killing each other and random defenseless civilians. And whenever the U.S. does use its power to enforce the will of its government by intimidating other nations, you complain, so I don't know why you're saying that.

I complain about usa double standards. If the USA overthrew mubarak or the Sauds, i wouldn't complain at all, as they are horrible dictators. However, the usa support these people which is quite disturbing and an embarrassment to your country.

Vietnam was different, there were two sides and the U.S. was fighting for one of them. That was a war that the U.S. could have won.

The USA could have won this war as well, but it seems they don't want to. Either way, unless the usa puts a puppet dictator into power, Iraq is going to be a mess with or without usa troops in the country.

Good job, you took a random video out of context and used the actions of individual soldiers to somehow try to prove some untrue statement.

You think i took that video out of context? They were laughing about the child that just kept on running for the water, but failed to get it in the end. How would you interpret that video?

As anti-right-wing as I am, I'm not that gullible... this war is a very complicated situation and deporting the entire population isn't exactly a viable solution.

Perhaps not. Either way, when usa troops leave, Iraq is going to implode, whether you wait 5 years or 15 years, it's gotta happen. Also this is the american governments' fault, they should have left as soon as they caught saddam hussein, and none of this shit would be going on.

[ForkRobotik]

At 4/18/07 10:53 PM, SyntheticTacos wrote:

At 4/18/07 10:41 PM, ForkRobotik wrote:

4. I wasn't bashing America, i was bashing your shitty policies in iraq, because they are shitty, and they are failing iraqis in that country.

They're not our policies, we didn't make them up, the higher-ups in the govt. did, and if approval ratings are any clue the majority of the U.S. doesn't agree with them.

Sorry, i thought it was implied that i was talking about the government when i said policies. I'm well aware that americans don't really get to pick a whole lot of policies for themselves.

[Altarus]

Fork, the topic was originally about the media coverage of the deaths at VT as opposed to the deaths in Iraq, not about American foreign policy.

Ah fuck it, every topic ends in an American bashing flamefest anyways. Proceed.