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At 5/22/03 03:02 PM, cannibal7878 wrote:
There is a reason Charlie is still alive, there is a reason that he beat the death penalty...

Yes. They repealed the Death Penalty in California around the same time as his trial. Once they reintroduced it, they decided it would probably be a tad sadistic to put him back on Death Row (and make him a martyr in the process) and, besides, TV companies were paying through the nose to interview him on a regular basis.

So there is a reason that he is kept alive...MONEY...big surprise, that the government would be concerned about money...lol. Anyways, I still stand resoved that charlie doesn't belong in prison, and that if someone was gonna kill him, it would've happened by now.

Do you think they allow Charlie to just mingle among General Population? They let Dahmer do that, and he had his head stoved in with a broomhandle.

And I din't say the Govt. were getting the money, although I hear the office of the San Quentin Warden have a 28" plasma screen TV, DVD player, and a pool table.

Why kill what you can exploit? You can execute some bum that stabbed somebody for a sandwich, but with an issue (and pay off) that big, you have to keep them on alive. Hell, Ramirez's Death Sentence has been stretched a bit far, don't you think? Gacy and Bundy waited for 10 years before they met with their fate in the Chamber. But there is no way they can release Manson, not because he may/may not be rehabilitated, but because the issue has become a millstone, and as I first said, too hot to handle.

If Mary Bell only got anonymity last week for crimes she committed in the 60's (aged eight), is there hope for him to even gain a new life? He'd have journalists searching high and low, just to prevent it from happening, for that "exclusive" interview.

Bundy waited for 10 years before they met with their fate in the Chamber.

Correction...Bundy fried in the Electric Chair...such a shame...

I still don't understand why Manson is such a pop icon. There is a number of crimes more dreadful than what he did. He isn't an outstanding person. One of my personal theories is that the killings happened on a slow newsday.

Speaking of slow newsdays, remember that week after all the sept. 11 hype when every newstation in the world was covering stories about missing children? Im still confused as to how authoritys considered all of these kidnappings international news.

At 5/26/03 12:50 PM, cannibal7878 wrote: Bundy waited for 10 years before they met with their fate in the Chamber.

Correction...Bundy fried in the Electric Chair...such a shame...

Yes, in the Execution Chamber. I know my psychos, OK? I just skipped a bit to save time.

I know my psychos, OK?

I wouldn't consier Bundy, Dahmer, Ramirez, Manson, Fish, Gein...I wouldn't consider any of these people to be psychos...I consider them to be more elite than the rest of the population...but, that is off the topic...my topic is should Manson remain in prison, why or why not...not about any other person who has done some killing.

What day did Ted Bundy die?

Fry-day!

*ba dum-chhhhhhh*

Gein wasn't imprisoned, though - he served his time in a psychiatric institute. Which throws up the questionas to why he got off so "lightly", yet Fish, who was clearly insane, was executed. However, that's easy to answer; he killed (ate, had sex with) children, and the jury decided that he deserved to die anyway. The fact he said he'd enjoy his time in The Chair should've been a hint as to the workings of his mind, if the X-Rays of his groin showing all the corroding needles in there wasn't enough evidence already.

On the flip side, Leopold & Loeb just murdered somebody to outsmart the law and get away with it, only to screw up the (NPI) execution.

I've repeated, it isn't about whether he should or should not be released anymore, it's about whether he would or would not be able, nee ALLOWED, to enter and function within society, and the sad fact is there is little chance, be it bandwagon jumping politicians, legal loopholes, fanatics or those that wish he'd been executed, and try to do the job themselves. If he were to be kept in an isolated area to be protected from this, what difference is that from being imprisoned?

And if he were released, how much small print would be on his parole papers? How much contact with the outside world could he be allowed, before it's deemed to be violating the terms of parole, because he's starting The Family Mk.II?

At 5/21/03 12:12 PM, cannibal7878 wrote:

At 5/21/03 10:22 AM, BleedingGumsMurphy wrote: Why are any of you even debating this?

Well, I started this debate because it is something I feel rather strongly about...you needn't know why, just know that I am a believer that Manson never got a fair trial, and should not have to spend his life behind bars. He has spent the last 30 some odd years behind bars...He has served time now for his crimes...anyways, maybe you could do a little spelling exercises...you misspelled almost every other word...how old are you anyways? j/k I don't want to start a flame war, but feel I should point out that you really are not a good speller...however you do know some facts about Manson...so indeed I value your input, please feel free to post in reply, or if the devil strikes you, post in the DAG message board...btw, bleeding gums murphy died on the Simpsons, didn't he?

Just a few things, one I only misspelled two words, three if you count fuckin misspelled but I would consider it slang. Two, should of went after bad grammer probably worse then the spelling. Three, Why didn't you touch on my point about him helping with the second murder, all you did was make fun of my spelling. Something you lampooned someone in an earlier post for doing. And Bleeding Gums Murphy did die on the Simpsons still fav. character of all time. Sorry it took so long to get back to you on this.

Three, Why didn't you touch on my point about him helping with the second murder...

Well, on the night in question, on top of being on lsd, all Manson did was tie up the victim, then he and Linda Kasabian drove back to the ranch...like I already stated, he has served quite a lengthy sentence for this, yes, he did tie up the victim, but that was the extent of it, he never used any physical abuse, or harm to the victim. So once again, I stand corrected that Mr. Manson, should be set free...

Speaking of that Gein guy, I was just reading his biography. Turns out this guy is the model for alfred Hitchcock's Psycho and The Silence Of The Lambs Buffalo Bill. Something struck me, this guy's life sounded famillar. Then I figured it out, the tyranical mom, the seclusion, this guy was also the model for Waterboy's Bobby Boucher. I know he isnt exactly like gein, but neither were buffalo bill nor the dude from psycho. I dunno, found that kinda interesting.

...Fry-day!

HAHAH!

Okay, seriously, tho? This is silly. Rediculous, even.

Manson was an accessory, and people are put in prison for being an accessory to murder. You can bitch and moan about unfair trials all you like, Mr. cannibal. I don't know but a few things about Charles Manson. I do know that he's pretty nutty, and as far as I know, they try not to let nutty people represent themselves in a court of law.

Let's give Mr. Cannibal a hypothetical situation. What do you think would have happend if he HAD represented himself? Do you think he would have gotten off scott free?

No, I think he'd be exactly where he is now.

But what then? What would you have to defend?

"Damn that court, they LET HIM REPRESENT HIMSELF! They should have known better, a lawyer would done a better job."

At 5/28/03 08:31 PM, mrpopenfresh wrote: Speaking of that Gein guy, I was just reading his biography. Turns out this guy is the model for alfred Hitchcock's Psycho and The Silence Of The Lambs Buffalo Bill. Something struck me, this guy's life sounded famillar. Then I figured it out, the tyranical mom, the seclusion, this guy was also the model for Waterboy's Bobby Boucher. I know he isnt exactly like gein, but neither were buffalo bill nor the dude from psycho. I dunno, found that kinda interesting.

You missed The Texas Chain Saw Massacre from the list - that's an "interesting" claim to fame, being the most influential serial killer of the 20th Century.

Buffalo Bill was a composite of several serial killers; Bundy and Gein the most obvious.

If Manson would have represented himself, it would have been a lot like his parole hearings - unintelligible and insane. Have you ever HEARD the man speak at those? My god, the cheese has slid off the cracker.

At 5/29/03 08:50 AM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote: If Manson would have represented himself, it would have been a lot like his parole hearings - unintelligible and insane. Have you ever HEARD the man speak at those? My god, the cheese has slid off the cracker.

Make wise cracks all you want fucker...Stick to the topic here...I am postulating that Son of Man, (Manson in you terms) should not be in prison...I am asking why or why not you believe it should or shouldn't be. Stick to the fuckin topic. I don't give a fuck if he is crazy by your standards or not...Just because a man is "crazy" doesn't mean he deserves to sit in prison. Second, yeah, the court fuckin denied him to represent himself in the trial...yeah real fair, where did that freedom go, oh gee, out the window...yeah, stay on topic dickcheese...I still say MansoN should be set free, could care less if you disagree

At 5/31/03 12:06 AM, cannibal7878 wrote: Make wise cracks all you want fucker...Stick to the topic here...I am postulating that Son of Man, (Manson in you terms) should not be in prison...I am asking why or why not you believe it should or shouldn't be. Stick to the fuckin topic. I don't give a fuck if he is crazy by your standards or not...Just because a man is "crazy" doesn't mean he deserves to sit in prison. Second, yeah, the court fuckin denied him to represent himself in the trial...yeah real fair, where did that freedom go, oh gee, out the window...yeah, stay on topic dickcheese...I still say MansoN should be set free, could care less if you disagree

Miranda rights "You have the right to defend YOURSELF in a court of law"

sons of bitches, Cannibal's drunken ass has a point. He may be an evil, manipulative, insane, drug dealing, murder inspiring bastard, but he wasnt given a fair trial. Why must justice be so damned complicated? I say we rounds us up a posse and just lynch his ass good and dead (hillbilly accent).

evil, manipulative, insane, drug dealing, murder inspiring bastard,

Finally, thank you...
Though Innocence was denied in my lord's presence...Manson of course...yeah...

Ok, maybe Manson shouldn't be in prison, but theyr'es no fucking way hes being integrated in society. I think the very best her could hope for is an asylum for the criminally insane.

Check out his ugly mug

At 5/31/03 12:19 AM, mrpopenfresh wrote: Ok, maybe Manson shouldn't be in prison, but theyr'es no fucking way hes being integrated in society. I think the very best her could hope for is an asylum for the criminally insane.

Check out his ugly mug

God bless Mr. Manson...I am not debating his return into a normal society, I am just saying he should not remain in prison...there is like a half way house for him or something to get worked back into regular life...

you got to admit mansn was a genious, and was able to make other people kill for him which many of us could not. Yea he got a couple of screws loose, but he is human being and a verycreative man.

Okay, so...I'm going to state the obvious.

Does anyone else see a serial killer in the making?

This guy calls Manson 'Son of Man' and 'my Lord'...good God, thank you for not making this kid my next door neighbor.

At 5/31/03 08:28 PM, House_Of_Leaves wrote: Okay, so...I'm going to state the obvious.

Does anyone else see a serial killer in the making?

This guy calls Manson 'Son of Man' and 'my Lord'...good God, thank you for not making this kid my next door neighbor.

Yeah, you wouldn't want me as a neighbor...I would be roasting my guests on the grill, and the smell of burning flesh might aggravate your nose...Forgive me for stating the obvious...Manson...Son of Man...sad you don't see it like that...

This was apart of a DAG discussion posted by Cannibal…..

Charles Manson
Saturday night on August 9th, in the year 1969, 7 people were brutally murdered. Shock and horror gripped the world, but who was the culprit behind these savage crimes? History, and Vincent Bugliosi would have you believe Charles Manson was the perpetrator. In fact, most people actually think that Charles Manson committed these crimes himself. This could not be further from the truth. Charles Manson is currently serving out a life sentence in a California prison for these crimes. He has spent the last 33 years locked up there, for a crime he never committed. Do I have your attention now? Allow me to repeat, he is locked up for a crime he never committed. He had others commit the crimes for him. He never physically hurt any of the victims. Yes, it is true that he did tie up 2 of the victims, but after he did this, he drove back to his ranch. The others carried out the evil deed. You might be asking yourself what kind of individual commits this kind of crime, so heinous and hideous? Well, the people that Charles had attracted were generally young women, who were troubled, and were rebelling against their parents, and rebelling against society in general. It can be said that his followers were weak willed people, who also were extremely naïve, gullible, and extremely easy for him to lead. Charles had convinced his followers that he was the Messiah, the chosen one, and that during “Helter Skelter” he and his followers would live in the desert, be safe from the war that would be ensuing the world. It is true that Charles did not actually kill anyone, however, he did tell people to do this for him. On the night of the murders Charles was quoted as saying “Do it witchy”, referring to the murders. By this, you are probably thinking well, he is a psycho, and he told them to do it. My reply to that is, just because you don’t like someone, or think that they might be insane, does not mean that they belong in prison. Furthermore, he has served 33 years in prison for telling his followers to commit these crimes. He never physically made anyone do anything. He said he wanted these things done, and his followers were eager to do these atrocious deeds. I believe that they are the ones who should remain in prison for what happened. Furthermore, during the trial, Charles pleaded numerous times to represent himself, and every time Charles pleaded with the judge, he was denied, and when he was denied, he was not given a reason as to why the judge would not allow Manson to represent himself. This was unjust. It seems that he was judged before the trial even began. The judge never gave him a fair chance. The prosecuting attorney was Vincent Bugliosi, a young, but highly gifted prosecutor. He was very persuasive in this trial, and created this elaborate picture of the evil Charles Manson. As you research this trial, you find that his followers were constantly yelling, and disrupting the trial. At one point, Charles himself jumped at the judge, saying he would cut his head off. O.k., sure that was pretty extreme. But, if you notice, Charles always acts crazy, and says and does some pretty insane stuff. He does this because it is his defense mechanism. At another point in the trial, Charles stood up, and showed the jury the newspaper, which showed Nixon declaring Manson guilty. Instantly the lawyers motioned for a mistrial. Which again, no surprise, the judge denied. Manson was judged before he even entered into court. Furthermore, his right to defend himself was denied by the judge, for no explicit reason. Sure, what Charles had people do for him was pretty messed up, I am not arguing that. I am not arguing for you to like Charles, nor am I arguing that I even like Charles, I am arguing that he should not remain in prison. He has served over 30 years for him telling his followers to murder people. He has done his time for that. Where is the justice? His followers were all to eager to murder, all he did was implant the idea, they carried it out all to happily. That’s fine if you think Charles is evil, or if you hate him. I think his is pretty evil too, however, just because he may be evil, that doesn’t mean he should remain locked up forever. I am not saying he should be released directly into our society. I believe that he should be transferred to a halfway house, then make a transition back to normal society. Remember just because you dislike someone, or think they are “insane” doesn’t mean that they belong locked up, and hidden from society forever. In the end, it is unlikely Charles will ever be set free, I implore you to rethink your opinion on this man, look at the unfair way he was treated during the trial. His freedom and rights were stripped from him, the way a person snatches candy from a baby. I implore you not to like this man, or think him good, or even like the things he had others do for him, I implore you to realize this man never received a fair trial, and deserves his freedom for his time already served. Free Charles Manson.

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Wow, I am surprised that NG let this topic stay here. Yeah Shrike, I did get the info from crime library, how witty of you to point that out.

At 6/13/03 08:59 PM, cannibal7878 wrote: Wow, I am surprised that NG let this topic stay here. Yeah Shrike, I did get the info from crime library, how witty of you to point that out.

Wow, this thread is still here? And yeah, I got my stuff from crime library. What can I say? Its the best site for serial killers/mass murderers.

At 5/31/03 12:19 AM, mrpopenfresh wrote: Ok, maybe Manson shouldn't be in prison, but theyr'es no fucking way hes being integrated in society. I think the very best her could hope for is an asylum for the criminally insane.

Check out his ugly mug

What do you look like?

At 6/13/03 11:33 PM, cannibal7878 wrote:

At 5/31/03 12:19 AM, mrpopenfresh wrote: Ok, maybe Manson shouldn't be in prison, but theyr'es no fucking way hes being integrated in society. I think the very best her could hope for is an asylum for the criminally insane.

Check out his ugly mug

What do you look like?

Im gonna update my profile with an actual pioc of me. I got a digital camera, but for some reason I never got around to actually taking a picture of me. Actually I have, but not recently.

Till we see you, can't say much about Manson...k?