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At 4/16/07 01:28 PM, DancingTomato wrote: This is NOT a Columbine #2. At least 22 people were killed and at least 21 wounded. More dead then Columbine. Holy shit this sucks. I hope any NG members were not killed or wounded in the shooting.

RIP

there actually 28 wounded. In comparaison to colombine that got 14 death.

At 4/16/07 01:28 PM, DancingTomato wrote: This is NOT a Columbine #2. At least 22 people were killed and at least 21 wounded.

I'm hearing on the news that it's 29 dead.

At 4/16/07 01:37 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:

At 4/16/07 01:28 PM, DancingTomato wrote: This is NOT a Columbine #2. At least 22 people were killed and at least 21 wounded.

I'm hearing on the news that it's 29 dead.

cnn linked the death a 22.

They should've allowed guns on campus in the first place. The overall total would've been substantially smaller.

At 4/16/07 01:37 PM, Earfetish wrote: They should've allowed guns on campus in the first place. The overall total would've been substantially smaller.

So that the students could shoot the shooter?

At 4/16/07 01:37 PM, Earfetish wrote: They should've allowed guns on campus in the first place. The overall total would've been substantially smaller.

Even though such a thing is counterintuitive in a sense, that is actually correct. If the school faculty were allowed to carry guns, the gunman would have been neutralized a lot earlier.

At 4/16/07 01:38 PM, DancingTomato wrote:

At 4/16/07 01:37 PM, Earfetish wrote: They should've allowed guns on campus in the first place. The overall total would've been substantially smaller.

So that the students could shoot the shooter?

Ten points to Gryffindor!

They should put a rotting corpse at the front door, maybe these kids just wanted to crack open a cold one?

Somehow I knew when I saw it on Yahoo! News that it was gonna be a big topic on NG.

Yahoo says 21 deaths btw. At least we know it was 20-something.
Anyone found a motive on this guy yet?

At 4/16/07 01:41 PM, WilliWowza wrote:

At 4/16/07 01:38 PM, DancingTomato wrote:

So that the students could shoot the shooter?

Ten points to Gryffindor!

You know, you pissed me off about 20 minutes ago. But then you said that and totally redeemed yourself.

At 4/16/07 01:37 PM, Earfetish wrote: They should've allowed guns on campus in the first place. The overall total would've been substantially smaller.

I could see the logic in allowing on-site staff to carry hand guns, but are you suggesting that a broad "Students can have guns on campus" policy would be beneficial? At all universities?

At 4/16/07 01:39 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:

At 4/16/07 01:37 PM, Earfetish wrote: They should've allowed guns on campus in the first place. The overall total would've been substantially smaller.

Even though such a thing is counterintuitive in a sense, that is actually correct. If the school faculty were allowed to carry guns, the gunman would have been neutralized a lot earlier.

Meh, wouldnt happen, cause the school would have to spend extra money to train the teachers how to handle the guns properly, and some teachers might not want to carry a gun and refuse. Also, there are some teachers who ive had, that if they had a gun, I'd just be scared.

At 4/16/07 01:43 PM, 36Holla wrote:

At 4/16/07 01:39 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:

At 4/16/07 01:37 PM, Earfetish wrote: They should've allowed guns on campus in the first place. The overall total would've been substantially smaller.

Even though such a thing is counterintuitive in a sense, that is actually correct. If the school faculty were allowed to carry guns, the gunman would have been neutralized a lot earlier.

Meh, wouldnt happen, cause the school would have to spend extra money to train the teachers how to handle the guns properly, and some teachers might not want to carry a gun and refuse.

That's not true at all. I'm sure a lot of teachers would take it upon themselves to do this, and I'm sure a lot of teachers already own firearms and have concealed to carry permits, alot of Americans do. All the teachers would need is the permission from the school board or district. It could work, and it should work if it was implemented.

Also, there are some teachers who ive had, that if they had a gun, I'd just be scared.

Well teachers are more worried about pestering you and tormenting you, they wouldn't really want to shoot you and end their fun prematurely.

At 4/16/07 01:43 PM, Mr-Pope wrote: I could see the logic in allowing on-site staff to carry hand guns, but are you suggesting that a broad "Students can have guns on campus" policy would be beneficial? At all universities?

All or nothing. It should either be a UK-style gun policy, where it's difficult to get a gun, especially one that isn't for sports purposes, or a free for all with everyone allowed to carry registered guns all the time, because anything other than than the extremes is a bad idea.

In the UK, the kinds of people who do school shootings or kill innocent people for self-gratification can't find guns, only gangsters can, and they only rent them. And only a couple of select cops are allowed guns, not just any old cop, because the police are idiots. This is quite a sensible policy. The Americans are too pussy about gun control to allow their policy to be equally sensible.

At 4/16/07 12:46 PM, Mr-Pope wrote: In a country where you can be given a gun for opening a bank account it's hardly a surprise you get occurrences like this on a semi-regular basis.

Gun-toting maniacs.

And you dear sir have been played by a violin by Michael Moore. If you watch the documentary "Michael moore hates America" you will actually see that Michael moore edited the footage, first he simply aquired about the gun policy, then he went to a different place to aquire the actual gun and edited the footage in a way to make it look like he got it from the bank in one day. In fact it took quite a while with the background checks etc.

Theres a reason that most people who do a documentary with Michael Moore resent him in some way after seeing the finished product.

At 4/16/07 01:47 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: All the teachers would need is the permission from the school board or district. It could work, and it should work if it was implemented.

Well then propose this bill to your congress rep., and im sure you'll back from them in a bit...or not.

At 4/16/07 01:50 PM, TommyGun wrote: Theres a reason that most people who do a documentary with Michael Moore resent him in some way after seeing the finished product.

Michael Moore's an idiot who can't be trusted with a camera. He does stupid things like go up to politicians asking if they would let their sons go to iraq, as if the guys have control over an adult son. He also is incredibly biased, which allows me to see the maggot he really is.

The teachers would stand a chance with guns, as human shields don't always stay still.
We are all maggots, destined to be eaten by maggots but some maggots apparently think life is a choice and death is another.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/656 0685.stm

Looks like it'sbad, this is a linkie form the bbc news. Just wnated to add another side to it

At 4/16/07 01:48 PM, Earfetish wrote: All or nothing. It should either be a UK-style gun policy, where it's difficult to get a gun, especially one that isn't for sports purposes, or a free for all with everyone allowed to carry registered guns all the time, because anything other than than the extremes is a bad idea.

It would be putting an absolutely massive social responsibility on everyone, particularly students - "You are allowed a gun but only to kill murderers".

And although school shootings would possibly end up in less fatalities within each particular incident, I'd imagine the actual amount of them would rise, because bringing a gun into a university wouldn't be a problem, and getting hold of a gun would be even less of a problem. There's probably been loads of would-be physco's who haven't gone through with it because they haven't been able to get hold of one.

I don't have any answers that I think would be feasible like, put placing a gun in everyone's hand would be risky business. And I think UK style law would probably take decades to work well, because of the sheer amount of guns already in circulation.

At 4/16/07 01:48 PM, Earfetish wrote:

At 4/16/07 01:43 PM, Mr-Pope wrote: I could see the logic in allowing on-site staff to carry hand guns, but are you suggesting that a broad "Students can have guns on campus" policy would be beneficial? At all universities?

All or nothing. It should either be a UK-style gun policy, where it's difficult to get a gun, especially one that isn't for sports purposes, or a free for all with everyone allowed to carry registered guns all the time, because anything other than than the extremes is a bad idea.

See that is my point, the UK-style policy wouldn't work in the US because we are bordering Mexico (which is a staging point for arms smuggling) and Canada (where gun laws are actually relatively lax) and there are already millions of guns in the US.

Therefore, making UK-style gun control law wouldn't actually address the problems because all it would do is make guns inaccessible to law-abiding Americans who are unlikely to commit gun violence in the first place. This would take place while the criminals who DO commit gun violence can attain guns through other means, and would obey no such law that prohibited ownership of certain firearms.

Gun control just simply cannot work in the US unless we became a virtual Island, and had a magical device that could find every gun in the US and dispose of it.

The Americans are too pussy about gun control to allow their policy to be equally sensible.

No... Americans who own firearms legally and don't commit crime find it pointless that they would be discriminated against by the laws, but the ACTUAL SOURCE OF THE CRIME would not be addressed, and CANNOT be addressed by legislation.

I personally own firearms, including assault rifles. I am a law-abiding citizen with no propensity for violence and yet the law would target people like me, while the criminals around me who can get guns through the black market wouldn't obey the law, while I would. This would happen nation wide and would only embolden terrorists who could then prey upon a disarmed citizenry without fear of highly armed people defending against them.

All gun control in the US would do and has done is strengthen the criminals and weaken law abiding citizens.

At 4/16/07 02:03 PM, Mr-Pope wrote: There's probably been loads of would-be physco's who haven't gone through with it because they haven't been able to get hold of one.

I would say most of the massive killing sprees have been in places where guns are banned, and gun-toting maniacs choose such places out because guns aren't allowed there. If the gunman thought that it was likely someone would shoot him if he went on his killing spree, he wouldn't have done it, or he would've been more specific in who he shot at least. The gunman was definitely aware that guns were banned on campus, and thought it would be a good idea to shoot up the residences and the classrooms because of that exact reason; in fact, he probably thought, with all those students in such close proximity and with no guns around for a mile, I'll be able to break the records, thank God for the no guns on campus rule. Every US spree killer tries to some extent to stop getting killed although they all know they'll probably be caught and die at the end of it, and introducing law abiding citizens holding guns into the equation next to them, they get their just desserts.

At 4/16/07 12:09 PM, Warrickneff wrote: Anyone from Newgrounds go to Virginia Tech?

penisstar

hope he's alright

At 4/16/07 02:10 PM, BareNakedMike wrote:

At 4/16/07 01:48 PM, Earfetish wrote: The Americans are too pussy about gun control to allow their policy to be equally sensible.

If it werent for the NRA we would have better gun control, trust me I have no idea where you get off saying that, but the NRA gets stupid people on their side to vote for things in their favor.

You should have almost no gun control at all, other than, if you have a serious mental health problem or a history of violent crime, you're not allowed a gun, and if you're caught with one you get arrested. Laws against concealed carrying, against guns in public places like malls and schools and restaurants and anywhere else make no sense, because they attract spree killers. There should be massive consensus that they have to accept and embrace guns into their culture, the way gun crime is in the US; I don't see why the gun control lobbyists can't see that they're wrong and the USA is already lumped with guns, they may as well face it.

At 4/16/07 02:08 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: All gun control in the US would do and has done is strengthen the criminals and weaken law abiding citizens.

You worded your post perfectly, i'm glad people like you exist.

Snap. When I first heard that there was a super-bad shooting at a Virginia school, I panicked because I have a friend there. Ended up being a different school, but shit, still really bad. Hope that no Newgrounders or their friends/families were hurt in this.

At 4/16/07 02:17 PM, wilker wrote:

At 4/16/07 02:08 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: All gun control in the US would do and has done is strengthen the criminals and weaken law abiding citizens.

You worded your post perfectly, i'm glad people like you exist.

Well at least someone around here appreciates my contribution.

At 4/16/07 01:22 PM, FailGrounds wrote:
lolfail.

NOT FUNNY!

Say something worthwhile or shut the fuck up.

Your no consciouses bullshit isn't needed in society or here.

This is shocking and sort of hits close to home since I knew someone who went there.I'll have to make sure he is alright

So many people died its just shocking.

At 4/16/07 02:22 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:

At 4/16/07 02:17 PM, wilker wrote:

At 4/16/07 02:08 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: All gun control in the US would do and has done is strengthen the criminals and weaken law abiding citizens.

You worded your post perfectly, i'm glad people like you exist.

Well at least someone around here appreciates my contribution.

I also agree with you about this issue.

I am in the tiny percentage of people in the UK who agrees with the NRA. About the USA, only, that is. Although I want a gun. I'd like shooting. I've got a catapult. I might join a rifle club, get one legally.

Will cellardoor and earfetish and whoever else please shut the fuck up!?

This is not about your countries laws.
This is about dead students, some psycho, NG empathizing, and trying to get updated news.
Go to the political forum and debate about who's country has better gun-control laws.