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At 4/16/07 05:46 PM, Flatland wrote: A statistic is just a number. People are all individuals, and should be treated as such.

You were giving excuses to bums for the reason they didnt achieve based off of inconclusive evidence with no facts behind them. I am not going to fall into the logical fallacy that you were presenting if it has no facts behind it.

Just because a few bums seem lazy to you, it doesn't apply for the majority.

They dont work and they ask for money all day. How could anyone possibly not call them lazy even if they do have a tremendous psychological reason for them being lazy? Cmon bro;.:

Hell, If I had outdated qualifications for a job, and I lost all of my money due to an unlikely catastrophe, I'd be pretty bummed out too.

Thats great. That is not a reason for me to give anyone money.

First of all, imagine having a very up-to-date degree in teaching as a young adult, and then getting laid off due to an excessive staff count or somthing minor. You spend several years waiting for a job opening in a nearby high school, and once you get it, your degree may not be up to the current standards. Most teachers learn about new teaching curriculums and stuff
during the school year, so they're always up to date. What about you? You're still unemployed, meaning that if you had rented a small apartment, you now have no money to pay rent for it. Either you crash with family, or hit the streets. Not much of a choice, eh?

Again. I could just as easily craft a fake story saying that there was a bum who was a lazy ass mohterfucker who smoked pot all day and never worked and now begs for money all day to support his crack habit. Doesnt mean anything because its not real and does not represent the "homeless experience."

In any case, no one should assume that a person is lazy and inactive solely because they're homeless. That, my friend, is stereotyping, whether or not you realize it.

THEY BEG FOR MONEY ALL DAY. How is that possibly sterotyping? They are lazy, all you are doing is excusing their laziness because you think they all have wonderful reasons for being homeless like you highlighted.

At 4/16/07 12:24 PM, JakeHero wrote: I believe SolInvictus hit the nail on the head.

i forgot to add that lighting fires in public places/cities is generally discouraged whether you're rich or poor for obvious reasons.

At 4/17/07 12:46 AM, Demosthenez wrote:

At 4/16/07 05:46 PM, Flatland wrote: A statistic is just a number. People are all individuals, and should be treated as such.

You were giving excuses to bums for the reason they didnt achieve based off of inconclusive evidence with no facts behind them. I am not going to fall into the logical fallacy that you were presenting if it has no facts behind it.

And I forgot to add, yes, people are a statistic. That is why things like the Census Bureau exist. If people acted on everyones sob stories nothing would get done and nothing would ever get solved because you cant trend and make judgements based on individual sob stories.

At 4/17/07 12:46 AM, Demosthenez wrote: They dont work and they ask for money all day.

Hey, now. Spangeing is hard, degrading, and often cold, work! >B(

This is discrimination.
Many poor people don't have a choice.
They were born in horrible families, were maltreated, and received very little encouragement to succeed at school... If they were even put in school!

At 4/17/07 01:05 AM, Demosthenez wrote:

At 4/17/07 12:46 AM, Demosthenez wrote:

At 4/16/07 05:46 PM, Flatland wrote: A statistic is just a number. People are all individuals, and should be treated as such.

You were giving excuses to bums for the reason they didnt achieve based off of inconclusive evidence with no facts behind them. I am not going to fall into the logical fallacy that you were presenting if it has no facts behind it.

And I forgot to add, yes, people are a statistic. That is why things like the Census Bureau exist. If people acted on everyones sob stories nothing would get done and nothing would ever get solved because you cant trend and make judgements based on individual sob stories.

I don't think I've ever seen a homeless person beg. Once or twice, and they were asking for quarters. I'm not saying that every bum is good, but they aren't all bad either. How the fuck can they help themselves when they can't get a job if they wanted to, and don't have qualifications for anything?

At 4/16/07 05:21 PM, Demosthenez wrote:

At 4/16/07 01:55 PM, Brick-top wrote: I really, REALLY hope you hit bankruptcy and enjoy the rest of your life not contributing to society, then I can point and laugh when I walk into a 5 star restaurant.

You see the problem is I am not enough of a worthless piece of shit to let that happen to myself.

See your conundrum?

Orly? So being born into a lower class family is worthless? Or not getting a job because of your race or religion is your fault? Being crippled and in debt for thousands for hospital treatment makes you a worthless piece of shit? Getting treated like shit at school every single day and getting low grades which will make you stack shelves for the rest of your life is really showing the world just how much your letting it happen to you? And you can't argue back on that last one because there was a study that teachers weren't doing vertually nothing about bullying and that more people get kicked out of schools for defending themselves or getting someone back than the person who started it.

My friend, there are many, many ways to become severly poor other than being lazy, stupid or just plain unlucky. When you see a fault on someone you think it is their fault and no one elses where as it's not true.

Good thing being born into a financially sable home has shown you the charitible side of life, because you wouldn't be singing the same fucking song if it was your ass in the gutter.

At 4/17/07 02:25 PM, Brick-top wrote: Orly? So being born into a lower class family is worthless? Or not getting a job because of your race or religion is your fault? Being crippled and in debt for thousands for hospital treatment makes you a worthless piece of shit? Getting treated like shit at school every single day and getting low grades which will make you stack shelves for the rest of your life is really showing the world just how much your letting it happen to you? And you can't argue back on that last one because there was a study that teachers weren't doing vertually nothing about bullying and that more people get kicked out of schools for defending themselves or getting someone back than the person who started it.

AGAIN. And there is a difference between being poor and being homeless also, you tard. Maybe you missed what I was talking about.

P.S. They were homeless people.

My friend, there are many, many ways to become severly poor other than being lazy, stupid or just plain unlucky. When you see a fault on someone you think it is their fault and no one elses where as it's not true.

Give me statistics then and stop giving me stories you have invented in your head if you know the truth about homeless people. I can invent stories just as good as you can bro but it still wont mean anything.

And I still stand by the fact homeless people are lazy. Again, I have said nothing about the reasons they became homeless and lazy but when you start sitting around on street corners all day and begging for money you are LAZY. Prove me wrong or stop redirecting the conversation to other directions.

Good thing being born into a financially sable home has shown you the charitible side of life, because you wouldn't be singing the same fucking song if it was your ass in the gutter.

What lol? You are such a goofy motherfucker because if I was born in ANY household it would kinda preclude me from being in the gutter so I fail to see the connection between being born in a financially stable home and being in the gutter.

I will repeat it again, I am not enough of a worthless peice of shit to let that happen to myself. I WILL succede. And if I didnt have the same opportunities that I had because of my grades and SAT's coming from high school I would have joined the military. Only worthless motherfuckers give excuses for themselves not achieving anything because there are so many more opportunities now than there were even 100 years ago.

And you are quite the moral specimen, you are SO morally superior to me for caring about the poor ole bums. Good for you. What you do about it? Or you just like sounding preachy on the internet so you can feel good about yourself? At least I am honest in my beliefs, I dont think about bums and I dont give a fuck about them. What about you? You do anything besides preach to the evil masses on the internet?

At 4/17/07 02:51 PM, Demosthenez wrote:

At 4/17/07 02:25 PM, Brick-top wrote:

And you are quite the moral specimen, you are SO morally superior to me for caring about the poor ole bums. Good for you. What you do about it? Or you just like sounding preachy on the internet so you can feel good about yourself? At least I am honest in my beliefs, I dont think about bums and I dont give a fuck about them. What about you? You do anything besides preach to the evil masses on the internet?

Well, what have I done?, oh yes I remember I dropped £70 of my own money into a charity bucket at Asda supermarket last week. Now I can't prove that I did that but I bought the essentials (Milk, eggs etc) and a 18 crate of Fosters, now if you wan't me to take pictures of them to prove I was there then I might have to but I don't really care if you believe me or not just as you don't care about the homeless. And I donate money to Comic relief every year. Only have a debit card though so I can only donate what is in my bank account there and then.

My friend, I am not like you. You are not like me, you can believe me or think i'm talking shit the fact of the matter is your thousands of miles away and I honestly couldn't a flying fuck what the people standing around me thinks of me let alone you.

And just to top off this post, here is some rasons to homelessness, other than 'lazyness'

Dem, go look up homelessness in wikipedia. I'm not trying to make up stories, but I'm just saying that, with most cultures, it's wrong to stereotype every single member of that culture as having certain qualities that may be offensive. Such as calling a homeless person lazy.

Hey, maybe some of the homeless civilians in your area ARE lazy, but I wouldn't blame them. They could try as hard as they want, but it'll be difficult to get a decent job and maintain a healthy financial status. They'll never get a roof over their head, unless they're renting.

Homeless people may beg, but what else can they do? I'm soo sure that Jeffery'll be able to walk into a McDonalds with two-year-old unwashed clothes and the hygene of a mongrel, and expect to get a job. I'm SURE that there'll be some kind of program that just gives them the money for a house and a job.

Most of the homeless, as I see it, can't GET help. (Unless they're homeless by choice, which IS a possibility.) Once you somehow find yourself in that situation, it'll be incredibly difficult to get out of it. Unless they can magically get the "degrees" that are required for many average jobs, they won't get far with a shitty restaurant job.

I have more points, but I gotta go right now. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, as I wish to be enlightened, and not sound like an ass.

At 4/17/07 12:46 AM, Demosthenez wrote: THEY BEG FOR MONEY ALL DAY. How is that possibly sterotyping? They are lazy, all you are doing is excusing their laziness because you think they all have wonderful reasons for being homeless like you highlighted.

Damn straight Dem, this bitch is one LAZY motherfucker. Beggin' for money to support her crack habit, even though she's DEFINATELY capable of working. Just look at her, she's such a drag on society. I mean, she's definately young and fit enough to work, and she's OBVIOUSLY lying about being sick...

I would suggest certai nmembers of this thread read 'Down and Out in Paris and London' by George Orwell. It's well worth the read as it is but I believe it would also help enlighten some of the more narrow-minded amongst us.

At 4/17/07 04:08 PM, Dre-Man wrote:

At 4/17/07 12:46 AM, Demosthenez wrote:

Just look at her, she's such a drag on society. I mean, she's definately young and fit enough to work, and she's OBVIOUSLY lying about being sick...

I lol'd.

... Now I feel bad. =(

At 4/17/07 12:46 AM, Demosthenez wrote: They dont work and they ask for money all day. How could anyone possibly not call them lazy even if they do have a tremendous psychological reason for them being lazy? Cmon bro;.:

By the way, here's the simplest answer I can give for this, which is basically the only point that I'm trying to prove;

They can't GET jobs if they're homeless. Who's going to hire someone with no proof of an education who smells like shit? No one. That's why most of them resort to asking for money to get the neccessities. They don't WANT to die on the streets, but wether you believe it or not, soup kitchens can't feed all of them. They need some way to get food. Not all of them spend the money on booze or drugs, or else you wouldn't see them in the same spot a week later, because they'd probably have starved.

At 4/17/07 04:08 PM, Dre-Man wrote:

Damn straight Dem, this bitch is one LAZY motherfucker. Beggin' for money to support her crack habit, even though she's DEFINATELY capable of working. Just look at her, she's such a drag on society. I mean, she's definately young and fit enough to work, and she's OBVIOUSLY lying about being sick...

I was under the impression that it was the Republicans' job to limit social help programs.

At 4/17/07 04:08 PM, Dre-Man wrote: Damn straight Dem, this bitch is one LAZY motherfucker.

AWWWW look at the fourteen year old try to make a coherent argument. AWWW how cute.

At 4/17/07 03:52 PM, Flatland wrote: Such as calling a homeless person lazy.

I dont know if they are generally lazy people, you still miss my point. My point is that with their current occupation (begging for free shit all day) they could only be characterized as lazy. When you sit around doing nothing to better yourself all day, just like the fools that play World of Warcraft all day, you are lazy. Period.

shitty restaurant job.

I got a friend that has been working in restraunts since high school and he now makes $20 bucks an hour as a part timer. That is good fucking cash.

At 4/17/07 03:15 PM, Brick-top wrote: My friend, I am not like you.

Actually, you are. I have given cash to homeless people before and have donated to charities that feed them. Yes, I have even tithed at Church (even though I havent believed in a long time) when I go with my parents that also feed homeless.

You aint the only one that gives a few dollars to the homeless, bro. I just dont give a fuck about them at all which is why I, like you, do not do shit to go out of my way and help them.

Forgot this.

At 4/17/07 05:07 PM, Flatland wrote: They can't GET jobs if they're homeless.

I agree and I have never argued against that. But I still dont give a fuck. It is not my job to go about worrying about everyone in life. Im not exactly rich or in a position where I can care about them (not that I am sure that I would, I still think they are pushy charlatans) so I dont give a fuck about them.

Homeless people are just people who cant adapt. They may have wonderful reasons for being homeless but ultimately they gave up on themselves and stopped striving for anything. I have no pity for anyone who is like that unless you were born homeless or raped repeatedly and continually growing up or some other incredible circumstance. But if you drink or smoke yourself into the gutter or dont get a job when you still had a house over your head growing up? Fuck you, I dont owe you shit.

At 4/18/07 11:44 PM, Demosthenez wrote:

At 4/17/07 04:08 PM, Dre-Man wrote: Damn straight Dem, this bitch is one LAZY motherfucker.

AWWWW look at the fourteen year old try to make a coherent argument. AWWW how cute.

Yeah, you and your logical fallacies are really funny too. Like... stereotyping and prejudice being two of them.

At 4/17/07 03:52 PM, Flatland wrote: Such as calling a homeless person lazy.

I dont know if they are generally lazy people, you still miss my point. My point is that with their current occupation (begging for free shit all day) they could only be characterized as lazy. When you sit around doing nothing to better yourself all day, just like the fools that play World of Warcraft all day, you are lazy. Period.

shitty restaurant job.

I don't want to get served by a guy who smells like rotten cabbage anywhere, even Rod's Hickory Pit. Most of them are sick, most of them are disabled, most of them can barely beg for enough money to feed themselves, and you think that they don't WANT to work? You are a sick motherfucking faggot.

I once saw a girl in the streets of Rome, standing outside of a God damn CATHEDRAL, she had bilateral club foot and hands... couldn't walk, write, she couldn't get an education, she couldn't work, she was obviously extremely ill... and you know what? I saw at least 500 people pass by her without so much as a glance to her condition, they didn't care, they weren't compassionate, they were sick ass holes like you who think they're so much better than everyone else in this world. You know what they came to do?

They came to go into the Cathedral for service, and you know what? Instead of doing God's work, they passed by a chance to do the righteous and the honest thing, and then they actually DARED to pretend that they were reverent people by disgracing that church with their greed and apathy. I hope they ask forgiveness for that day, that they passed by the chance to actually do something, instead of walking into a Cathedral to have their empty hearts preached to. My guess is, that for all the times they went to church for service, they never ONCE heard the word of God.

That day, I took every penny that I had in my wallet, and gave it to that woman. Because you know what? 40 dollars spent keeping a lame woman alive is better than 40 dollars spent on an Xbox game, or an iTunes card. And you fail to see that.

I hope that it is YOU who asks for forgiveness, for actually DARING to pretend to be righteous, by holding yourself higher than the average homeless person, who begs for a bag of chips to stay alive. YOU are lazy, YOU are greedy, and YOU are far worse than any homeless beggar I've ever met in my life.

So don't you dare try coming back to say that homeless people are generally lazy and greedy, because you'd be describing yourself perfectly.

Here's a little card for you: Shut the fuck up until you actually can comprehend what the hell you're talking about.

I got a friend that has been working in restraunts since high school and he now makes $20 bucks an hour as a part timer. That is good fucking cash.

Yeah, I'm sure a person who's had their arms burned nearly off, a cripple, or a sick old woman would make a fine specimin as a waiter.

You aint the only one that gives a few dollars to the homeless, bro. I just dont give a fuck about them at all which is why I, like you, do not do shit to go out of my way and help them.

Yeah, way to go proving my point. Ass hole.

At 4/19/07 12:15 AM, Dre-Man wrote: Yeah, you and your logical fallacies are really funny too. Like... stereotyping and prejudice being two of them.

Is my insensitivity making you angry? So s

You are a sick motherfucking faggot.

LOL WTF? HAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAH

And you fail to see that.

Actually I generally spend it on alcohol and drugs and porn. The trifecta. Cant go wrong with the Holy Trinity.

Yeah, I'm sure a person who's had their arms burned nearly off, a cripple, or a sick old woman would make a fine specimin as a waiter.

I dont know, if you stick like a metal rod with a magnet attached to said rod on a burned out arm stub and stuck it to one of those metal trays I think it would work pretty good. *shrug*

Yeah, way to go proving my point. Ass hole.

You is a fiesty little kitten. RAWR. Watch out ladies, Dre Child is on the prowl.

SOUTH PARK FTW

At 4/19/07 12:34 AM, Demosthenez wrote: Actually I generally spend it on alcohol and drugs and porn. The trifecta. Cant go wrong with the Holy Trinity.

Yeah, I hope that the porn gives you ED, the alcohol gives you cirhossis, and the drugs give you AIDS.

Bye now, greedy son of a bitch.

At 4/19/07 01:43 AM, Demosthenez wrote: SOUTH PARK FTW

I DON'T HAVE ANY CHANGE, I DON'T HAVE ANY CHANGE!!!

I loved that episode.

Jeeze, people seem over concerned with homeless people.

If we just don't pay attention to them, they'll all eventually die off.

Thus, the problem is finished.

Sarcasm obviously intended.

In jail, these people would get clean clothes, a place to sleep, free meals, an opportunity to get a job, and (best of all) all at the taxpayer's expense.

There was this thing in 60 minutes in Australian (60 minutes is a current affairs kind of show). It was about ice/ crystal meth. sum fkn homeless couple got paid their dole and they immediately spent it on ice. they even let demselves get filmed doing it. they weren't sorry that they were wasting my taxes on sum fkn drugs. so screw the homeless. its their own fault theyre poor. get a job at mcdonalds or KFC.