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At 4/10/07 11:50 PM, Dre-Man wrote: I love it at how you nitpick at tiny little verses, manipulate them to your own idiotic understanding, and then call other people hypocrites when they say you're wrong.

Proof? And then I also woud lliek to know if some epoel are just nit-picking or taking out of context what the Bible says about homosexuality.

At 4/10/07 11:49 PM, Memorize wrote:

At 4/10/07 11:28 PM, Bolo wrote:

And yet you quote and cite from the Old Testament as being as much a truth to Christianity as the New Testament. Just when the fancy suits you—then it becomes "not ofiicially part of the faith", eh?

Really. Since when have I quoted the old testament to fit today?

By "You" I was referring to the zealous evangelical Righties, which I lumped you with, for obvious reasons.

But where did they originate? Who's Moses, now?

Did you not read that?

I said that the reason why I follow those ones are because they are re-stated in the New Testament for people to follow. All except "keep the sabbath holy". Or did you just skip that?

But YOU ignored the real question: Where did the ten commandments originate? The Old Testament. If this is not a part of your Church's official doctrine, why are they included in the ceremonies therein?

As are many of the laws cited by modern Christians as being "Concrete Laws" that are unmovable, and supposed to be applicable in a modern context.

So, are you going to kill someone and claim "what? Those Biblical laws do not fit modern times!"?

Hey, your Church is the one who claimed the Old Testament had a figurative meaning. Perhaps "Thou shalt not Kill" is a grand metaphor for Beavers frolicking in a stream beneath Golden rainbows, whilst praising Moses.

Just when the fancy hits 'em, right? Sometimes it's "THE OLD TESTAMENT IS THE WORD OF GOD AND MUST BE APPLIED TO MODERN CODES OF ETHICALITY!"

Have I said that?

Again, "You" refers to Evangelical Righties, whom I have lumped you with. I've seen countless attempts to discredit abortion and homosexuality through the use of Leviticus and other Old Testament books, then they turn around and say that the Old Testament isn't true doctrine.

Could you please clarify this contradiction for me?

The only time people should use the Old Testament is to read how it leads up to the New.

Hurray! Stupidity knows no bounds!

Indeed. But enough personal criticism, okay? It doesn't make you cool / badass, despite what you may think. Let's stick to facts rather than emotions.

At 4/10/07 11:50 PM, Dre-Man wrote: I love it at how you nitpick manipulate them to your own idiotic understanding, and then call other people hypocrites when they say you're wrong.

Good Golly, Dre-Man! Remind you of anyone else who's posted in this thread?

Here's Looking at you, Memorize, and Dre-Man.

A tall ale!

At 4/10/07 10:59 PM, Memorize wrote: -9/10 of the commandments are stated in the New (omitted is "keep the sabbath holy")

well the Sabbath can be seen as just a holy day so Sunday for Christians should technically still be kept holy.

At 4/10/07 11:50 PM, Dre-Man wrote: I love it at how you nitpick at tiny little verses, manipulate them to your own idiotic understanding, and then call other people hypocrites when they say you're wrong.

Isn't that what the people who use the Old Testament to say homosexuality is wrong do? Nitpick at tiny little verses?

At 4/11/07 12:15 AM, Bolo wrote:

But YOU ignored the real question: Where did the ten commandments originate? The Old Testament. If this is not a part of your Church's official doctrine, why are they included in the ceremonies therein?

Not the Church I go to.

You're "lumping" every christian religion into one.

What are you saying though? That many of the New Testament 'commandments' can't be that of the Old even if the Son of God gave them?

Are you saying we should Murder? Steal? Disrespect your parents? Lie?

Face it, they're in BOTH except "keep the Sabbath Holy".

Hey, your Church is the one who claimed the Old Testament had a figurative meaning. Perhaps "Thou shalt not Kill" is a grand metaphor for Beavers frolicking in a stream beneath Golden rainbows, whilst praising Moses.

Hahaha, fucking idiot!

Again, "You" refers to Evangelical Righties, whom I have lumped you with. I've seen countless attempts to discredit abortion and homosexuality through the use of Leviticus and other Old Testament books, then they turn around and say that the Old Testament isn't true doctrine.

And I have yet to discredit abortion or homosexuality on religion at all!

Why do I hate abortion? Because of it's hypocrity and irresponsibility!

Homosexuality? I personally don't care. Why? Because that's not my life and no one is being hurt, though I don't agree with it.

I don't like religion in politics, but nothing pisses me off more than when a bunch of idiots like to trash on something of which they know nothing about. First, you generalized all christians into one. Second, you claim all of these things while probly having read nothing of the Bible.

I practically agreed with everything you said! that there are those who will do as you say. However, why are you bitching about the 10 Commandments when all but 1 are repeated in the New Testament? As if some laws can't be kept?

At 4/11/07 12:14 AM, JoS wrote:

At 4/10/07 11:50 PM, Dre-Man wrote: I love it at how you nitpick at tiny little verses, manipulate them to your own idiotic understanding, and then call other people hypocrites when they say you're wrong.

Proof? And then I also woud lliek to know if some epoel are just nit-picking or taking out of context what the Bible says about homosexuality.

The bible says that homosexuality is sin in Leviticus, but the bible ALSO says that all sins are equal. So we're all just as much a sinner as any homosexual is. The bible ALSO says that if we repent our sin and ask forgiveness from our saviour that our sins will be cleansed. So even if I do happen to get a haircut, I can ask forgiveness for wronging my God.

THAT is what Jesus did for us, he is the forgiver of sin. He was the ultimate sacrifice for the sin of man, the last lamb to be slain, the last man to be put to death for sin. Before Jesus, men were punished in earthly ways for their sins, such as death and sacrifice. Read the book of Job, read the book of Leviticus, and THEN read the 4 books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. And THEN come to a conclusion about what the Bible does and does not say about sin and how it is dealt with. As a matter of fact, you might as well read the whole fucking Bible.

You may view such things as cutting your sideburns and wearing clothes of mixed threads being sin as very silly things, but they are still wrong, and I don't see anything wrong with them being wrong, as a matter of fact, letting my sideburns grow out and my clothes to be 100% cotton, would really never bother me at all.

I thought that would be clear to anyone who sat down to read the Bible for more than an hour or two, but apparently not.

So you are fine with someone being homosexual as long as theya sk for forgiveness, just as if they got a hair cut?

THANK YOU! Finally a sane person! I thought I was alone around here!

Listen dumb-shits, this is important:
I am sick and FUCKING tired, of people ripping on MORAL PEOPLE. You make me sick. All you do is pretend that you're so self rightous and prance around attacking the Bible. Well listen here "dude". You people just pick out small verses, shape them, twist them, blow them out of proportion, stuff it up your ass, and crap it out on every good christian on the planet. And for what? What? What is the point? So you can go around screwin horses? So you can get a cheap little laugh? Do you know whaat the world would be like without christianity? Europe, Asia, the USA? They wouldn't exist. Think about.

I garentee you that this post will be deleted or I will be banned again for this kind of thing.

At 4/11/07 12:22 AM, Memorize wrote: Not the Church I go to.

If I may ask without being intrusive, What church DO you go to?

You're "lumping" every christian religion into one.

They all believe in essentially the same thing. There's Catholics on one side, Protestants on the other. I ASSUME you are the latter, but it doesn't really matter. All of the protestant religions are pretty much the same, except for how often you receive communion, and other minutiae.

What are you saying though? That many of the New Testament 'commandments' can't be that of the Old even if the Son of God gave them?

I'm saying that it's a contradiction by the Churches to claim that the Old Testament is "unaffiliated" with the belief system of the Church, but then they go and cite passages, and crib philosophies almost word-for word to emphasize points made for political aspirations.

Are you saying we should Murder? Steal? Disrespect your parents? Lie?

Face it, they're in BOTH except "keep the Sabbath Holy".

Yeah, they're in both. Thus, you believe in both testaments.

Hey, your Church is the one who claimed the Old Testament had a figurative meaning. Perhaps "Thou shalt not Kill" is a grand metaphor for Beavers frolicking in a stream beneath Golden rainbows, whilst praising Moses.

Hahaha, fucking idiot!

Nothing like a friendly little scenario to brighten your day! :)

Again, "You" refers to Evangelical Righties, whom I have lumped you with. I've seen countless attempts to discredit abortion and homosexuality through the use of Leviticus and other Old Testament books, then they turn around and say that the Old Testament isn't true doctrine.

And I have yet to discredit abortion or homosexuality on religion at all!

Like I said, it's not you personally, rather the evangelical base as a whole.

Why do I hate abortion? Because of it's hypocrity and irresponsibility!

Homosexuality? I personally don't care. Why? Because that's not my life and no one is being hurt, though I don't agree with it.

Alright, perhaps I was wrong to group you as a blind follower, but the fundamentalist Evangelicals as a whole believe in the points stated above, and I have seen them attemept to discredit homosexuality as a sin, based on passages from the old testament.

I don't like religion in politics,

Hey, we have something in common.

but nothing pisses me off more than when a bunch of idiots like to trash on something of which they know nothing about. First, you generalized all christians into one. Second, you claim all of these things while probly having read nothing of the Bible.

I used to BE a Catholic. Never super-hardcore or anything. But I DO know a thing or two about the Bible.

At 4/11/07 12:38 AM, AmishGangster wrote: Listen dumb-shits, this is important:
I am sick and FUCKING tired, of people ripping on MORAL PEOPLE.

penis?

Go ahead, rip me apart. Tell me I'm uncalled for. Call me an asshole. Get pissed. BAN ME!!! I don't even fucking care anymore.

**Oh no! He double posted! What are we gonna do?**
- Can't find the "edit" button asshole.

Chill out Amish Gangster. I haven't been ripping on the bible or moral people. I've been ripping on the fact that people use little sections from the bible to justify their bigotry to people who have done nothing wrong.

At 4/11/07 12:50 AM, SyntheticTacos wrote: Chill out Amish Gangster. I haven't been ripping on the bible or moral people. I've been ripping on the fact that people use little sections from the bible to justify their bigotry to people who have done nothing wrong.

Sorry man, misread you. But you know what I mean.

out

At 4/11/07 12:38 AM, AmishGangster wrote: Listen dumb-shits, this is important:

Oh, come on. Get off your high Horse. if you can swear ten tiems in a single post, I'd hardly consider you a moral person.

I am sick and FUCKING tired, of people ripping on MORAL PEOPLE.

Stop it. I'm not ripping on moral people. I consider myself a moral person. I'm just not "moral" in he sense that is defined by the bible—an unquestioning follower of the faith, that is.

You make me sick. All you do is pretend that you're so self rightous

Haha, irony much?

and prance around attacking the Bible.

And what do you consider yourself as doing? Isn't it just the inverse?

Well listen here "dude".

If you're talking to me, and I believe that you are, I don't understand why you put "dude" in quotation marks. I never said it. Thus, it makes no sense to quote me on it. That's called "libel"—in quotation marks, mind you. You can quote me on that. you might look it up in the dictionary. just be dman glad you aren't a reporter. :)

You people just pick out small verses, shape them, twist them, blow them out of proportion, stuff it up your ass, and crap it out

What does a preacher do with every sermon?

on every good christian on the planet. And for what? What? What is the point?

Proving to the world that it ISN'T necessary to live in constant fear, and that we can finally start to make advancements to humankind that have been largely absent or stagnated due to religion. I'm not talking about small achievements, either. You'll notice that as the Church's influence has slipped over the past 200 years or so, more technological / agricultural / scientific advancements have been made, including the Industrial Revolution, MEDICINE, Aviation, and too many others to list.

So you can go around screwin horses?

What does that even mean, haha?

So you can get a cheap little laugh?

Laugh? Hardly. Hope for the future? Definitely.

Do you know whaat the world would be like without christianity? Europe, Asia, the USA? They wouldn't exist. Think about.

Think about religion's influence today in comparison with 200 years ago. It isn't nearly as powerful as it used to be, ESPECIALLY Catholicism. And what has occurred as a result? The rise of the United States, and other Democracy-based states. Au revoir, theocracy.

I garentee you that this post will be deleted or I will be banned again for this kind of thing.

I doubt it. If it were about 250 words shorter, then I'd agree with you.

At 4/10/07 11:50 PM, Dre-Man wrote: I love it at how you nitpick at tiny little verses, manipulate them to your own idiotic understanding, and then call other people hypocrites when they say you're wrong.

How is it any more manipulative than what you're saying?
It's true that in some things aren't as followed through. Such as everything as that letter said.

We can attribute that to several changes the teachings of Jesus who was, oddly, breaking all the rules of his time. (Yet, he claims that he isn't breaking them... but fulfilling them...)

And the rest on post-Jesus influenced indoctorations such as the Epistles and etcetra, etcetra...

You claim nitpicking...
But I say you're just part of the crowd.

Follow through with the Old Testatment, or the New Testament.
Otherwise, it's just plain hipocritical to take a few things from the older one, because it suits your tasts, and fill in the rest with the other.

You're only speaking about a tiny speck in their eyes, my fellow...

most people follow what they want in the bible.

they see homosexuallity, they say "it is wrong, says so in the bible"
you take another thing, like burning a bull, they go "well thats rediculus" you say its in the bible and show it then they say "well, the bible was made a long time ago, we dont have to follow that one"

the bible isnt straight foward. it has alot of holes and sometimes contradicts itself.
that is one reason i dont follow a religioun. im not athiest, im spiritual. i do believe there might be some god or some energy out there that could govorn the universe, wether it be a supreme being or a fource of nature.

i also believe that why ever you believe in is true, as long as it doesnt harm others. like if you believe there are multiple gods, then there are. if you believe there is one god, then there is. if you believe there is no god, then there isnt. if god is a supreem being, then why does he/she/it/? have to be one thing. a supreme being could be multiple things at once, and each one is singular.

i also believe that what come around goes around, aka karma, or a form of karma.

i also beleive that it doesnt matter what you belive in. you belifes dont define you, it is what you do that does.

i dont challenge other's belifes and say that they are wrong because we wont know for sure till we are dead.

and i also believe that if there is a heaven, to get in you dont have to be straight, christian, or follow the bible word for word, you just have to be a good person.

do i think i am right, well i dont know. as i said, wont know for sure untill we are dead.

i dont want people to belive in what i believe in, i want people to belive in what they belive in.

Bolo, ya know what? I can swear for a good enough reason. I don't do it regularly.

I've been good to people all my life and all I've gotten for the past few years is shit. Constant crap. You know my reasons for saying what I say, don't act like you don't. It wasn't even directed toward anyone specific. Think bigger than yourself.

Hell, I don't even know any of you people. But this is where somone like me can say what he thinks without being shut up or banned or delet- wait, that's what happened to me. Guess I better keep looking.

I'm going to do something to bring the world to a realization of where it's going, and how that will end. I just don't know what to do yet. So fuck you, fuck the internet, fuck Newgrounds.

At 4/11/07 01:20 AM, AmishGangster wrote: Bolo, ya know what? I can swear for a good enough reason. I don't do it regularly.

But you sure seemed comfortable doing it so excessively.

I'm going to do something to bring the world to a realization of where it's going, and how that will end. I just don't know what to do yet. So fuck you, fuck the internet, fuck Newgrounds.

Oh goodie, goodies. Next I suppose you'll plant yourself on the nearest street corner...

Honestly, if you're that annoyed, just leave.

At 4/11/07 01:36 AM, Bolo wrote: Honestly, if you're that annoyed, just leave.

he may be here for the long haul.

The Old Covenant no longer apply to Christians. You are supposed to come to an understanding of why those laws were written and keep to the underlying principles, but should not worry about the specifics of the law itself.

So, in deciding whether or not homosexuality should be condemned, we should ask what the underlying principle is. The Old Testament calls homosexual acts "wicked" and an "abomination." Only the latter is used in the context of the statement of a law, whereas the former seems to render a moral evaluation of the act.

Romans refers to homosexual acts as "degrading," "shameful," and perverse. Romans says that sodomites (i.e., homosexuals) will not receive the kingdom of God..a harsh condemnation of the homosexual lifestyle.

All in all, there is no other conclusion than that the Bible condemns homosexuality, although I also believe that the Old Law condemns it. It says homosexual acts are an abomination to God, which is apparently the reason for the law. Did homosexual activity cease to be an abomination when the Old Law expired?

At 4/10/07 07:25 PM, Dre-Man wrote:

At 4/10/07 07:20 PM, SyntheticTacos wrote: Hey hey hey Dre, how's it going? Actually, for your information I used to be a mainstream regularly-churchgoing Episcopal Christian, and I did go to catechism classes and read pages and passages from the bible, I heard sermons all the time and learned a lot about the Christian faith. Why don't you ask me about my religious background before you assume that I have no connection to Christianity at all?

The fact that if you knew a fuck about the life of Jesus you would have never even have considered to make this thread.

you know...maybe he doesn't care about jesus.
maybe he saw the real truth, that christianity is full of hypocrits and hypocrisy...
and he wanted to tell us all about it. maybe, he doesn't give a fuck about people like you.
and maybe, just maybe, neither do i.

i hate it when stupid assholes get on here and assume they know everything, and that everyone else is a fucking retard. if you're gonna call someone out on something, make sure you actually DO know everything. otherwise, get the fuck off of newgrounds.

Some liberals never die.

They just smell that way.

At 4/11/07 12:57 AM, Bolo wrote: an unquestioning follower of the faith

Call me "unqestioning" again, and I swear, I will find someway to track your IP, and beat the living atheism out of you.

How dare you call ME unquestioning, I OFTEN find myself questioning my beliefs just like EVERY SINGLE OTHER CHRISTIAN ON THE PLANET does.

Again, your prejudice, ignorance, and stereotypes show through. Do yourself a favor and shut the fuck up.

Bolo VS Dre-Man? This is an unexpected move. But anyways Bolo, he has the right to believe in whatever thing he wants to, and ya know what? Don't be a prick like you usually are because you dislike his faith. That is a very hateful way to live.

I'm curious what the Bibles stance is on sex with alter boys?

At 4/11/07 11:14 AM, JoS wrote: I'm curious what the Bibles stance is on sex with alter boys?

Read my new topic, "Ah, can you smell it?"

It answers all of the questions that this thread raises, and also has a little touch of humliation in it for the topic starter :).

At 4/11/07 12:42 AM, Bolo wrote:

If I may ask without being intrusive, What church DO you go to?

Church of Christ.

Yeah, they're in both. Thus, you believe in both testaments.

I believe both, but the Old was then and I follow the New.

I even said said that I didn't follow the old 10 commandments because that was in the Old Testament. I follow 9 because they are repeated in the New.

At 4/11/07 11:29 AM, Memorize wrote:

At 4/11/07 12:42 AM, Bolo wrote:

If I may ask without being intrusive, What church DO you go to?

Church of Christ.

Yeah, they're in both. Thus, you believe in both testaments.

I believe both, but the Old was then and I follow the New.

Memorize, even Jesus told us that the Old Testament was still in effect, just not in the way it used to be. Now, think of a State and a county government. Jesus is the state, and the Old Testament is the county. So, they're both in effect just as they were, but some of Jesus's law has overwritten what some of the Old Testament law put into place.

I even said said that I didn't follow the old 10 commandments because that was in the Old Testament. I follow 9 because they are repeated in the New.

You should definately follow all ten.

At 4/11/07 11:43 AM, Dre-Man wrote:

Memorize, even Jesus told us that the Old Testament was still in effect, just not in the way it used to be. Now, think of a State and a county government. Jesus is the state, and the Old Testament is the county. So, they're both in effect just as they were, but some of Jesus's law has overwritten what some of the Old Testament law put into place.

That explains the animal sacrifice in my front yard.

Wait a minute...

You should definately follow all ten.

Keep the Sabbath Holy? Ok... that was a Jewish law from the Old Testament, which fell on a Saturday. Today we are told to "reserve a day for the Lord".

*raises hand*

Yeah, I don't care who answers this just so long as I get an answer. Why is it that on this forum, you can EASILY bring up the search bar and find any one of the over 1400 religion christianity, bible, and Jesus topics to bump and post in, yet you whiny little assholes KEEP FUCKING MAKING NEW TOPICS ABOUT THE SAME DAMN THING OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN?!

You know what? I'm not apposed to making an official religion topic anymore! Because at this point, I'd love to send several dozen of you little shits off on vacations from the BBS so you can quit bogging down this place with the same tired old "TEH BIBLE SUXXORZ LOLZ" topics, and we can get BACK to discussing real issues!