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At 5/31/07 07:36 AM, cookie wrote:

At 5/31/07 12:00 AM, cellardoor6 wrote: First of all, size of the country has nothing to do with it. China has what... 30 times the population as Canada... but Canada has a few top colleges, China doesn't.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_sty le/education/article502890.ece

And where in that does it validate anything you said? Oh yeah, it doesn't because it even said that 7 of the top 10 Universities were in the US according to that study (which is 3 years old), and only the best ranking university OUTSIDE of the US was a British one.

if you have about a greater population then you should expect to have more top colleges because there will be more intellectuals.

Yeah, and that must be why China, a country with 1.3 billion has less universities on the list than the US who has 1/4th their population, yet dominates the list.

You say Oxford and Cambridge are superior to "anything in the US". For the 100th time, you're wrong.

"American institutions occupied seven of the top ten places, with Oxbridge the highest-ranked outside the United States.:

What's your point? Because you still got proven wrong. You said Oxford and Cambridge were better than anything in the US, you made that up. Like everything you say, you get proven wrong, then try and avoid it and play it off.

You don't work 20% less than the US to account for the 20% less output per hour worked you fool.

again your not listening, each industry is different and its not a useful statistic.

First of all, I don't have to "listen" to anything you say because you repeatedly fabricate false information and get proven wrong.

Secondly, it IS an entirely useful statistic. Americans produce more per hour worked than Brits do, showing that Americans are more productive on average. Which is indicative of both cultural and economic trends. It disproves the "Americans are lazy" myth as well, considering even according to you we work more, and according to the stats, we have greater productivity per hour worked. So if we're lazy, then you Brits must be extremely fucking lazy.

Haha that's funny because every country you are allied with, the US is allied with. You just have the luxury of having the US take the brunt of the dirty work. You'd be NOWHERE in international relations if it weren't for the US. Your country only follows the whims of the US.

This is not true at all, we have much closer relations with every european country, russia, china,

How so? Your country has the same stance on China and Russia that the US does, your country's foreign policy is almost identical. You Brits only like to think that your country is less hated, when really it is just as hated, but less emphasized due to the fact that the UK is widely seen as America's lapdog and has less importance than the US. You're like a child, if your bigger brother convinces you to do something naughty, you're not going to get the blame for it, he will.

and half of the middle east

Um actually the allies in the middle east that UK has are due to the fact that the US is the basis of that alliance. Jordan, Egypt, Israel, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Kuwait, all of these countries are highly allied with the US, and the US has military bases in all but Saudi Arabia, Israel, and Lebanon. The US has alot more influence there (and everywhere) than the UK does.

We are in a much better position than America on this and you cannot deny it.

I can deny it, because the US is the worlds geopolitical superpower. Your country benefits from it, that is the only reason it has the influence it has today, because you're America's right hand.

We don't need such a big military because we are less likely to go to war with people.

HAHAHAHA you're so delusional it's actually getting sad. You totally ignore reality. Your country is entirely bound to the US politically and militarily. The current relative prosperity of your country is due to the US, and due to the US military's protecting role. But while you benefit from America's perceived aggressive role (that YOU PARTICIPATE IN) you then go and pretend your country isn't as militaristic. You have zero integrity.

Your country;s military had less fratricide because it didn't fucking do anything other than sweep up after the US military came through.

are you talking about Iraq? because believe it or not there have been about 1000 other wars that the UK military has taken part in along with all the UN peace keeping.

Really? 1000 wars huh? Does that include the American Revolution in which Dutch, French, English, and German peasant farmers defeated your military?

We are normally one of the first countries in and last countries out

Um no you aren't. Your country actually hangs on to the coattail of the US military. Your country doesn't even have expeditionary capability. Your country can't fight a large scale war today without US assistance. Your country doesn't even have independent satellite navigation, you rely on US-proved GPS.

SAS is the best military division in the world.

No it's not. First of all, It's not a "division." it is a SMALL special operations unit less than the size of a battalion. Secondly it is not the best either. The US has a special operations unit of equal quality in every military branch.

Now listen closely because this is: Just because your SAS is more highly trained than normal American combat troops doesn't mean your country has a stronger military, and it doesn't mean you have better training overall. You are ignoring the difference between standard military units and special Ops units. The US has the Green Berets, the Navy Seals, Marine Force Recon, Delta Force, and several other special operations units that are EQUALLY as skilled as the British SAS but are larger.

But Special Ops don't win wars anyway, they conduct very small scale, high-importance operations. They are a tool in a larger tool box. The US military is vastly superior across the board compared to any other military in the world. Brits like to ignore this by comparing their special forces to standard US combat troops, which is ridiculous.

You obviously didn't read the links. Because all of the trident systems were funded, researched, designed and manufactured by the US.

you read the links dickweed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_nuclear_weapo ns

It's funny because if you even read it, you'll realize that it specifically states the UK's nuke systems are American. As I proved numerous times. Now read that all the way through for once. UK warheads are American, UK missiles are American ICBMS that are LEASED TO THE UK, the US actually owns them and operates them, the UK only "has access" to them.

You may think that America is the only country with any weapons but this is not true, we have 200 or so of our own nuclear missiles, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_w ith_nuclear_weapons#Estimated_worldwide_nucle ar_stockpiles

I didn't say the US was the only country with Nukes. What I did say (and what I proved) is that the UK nuclear weapons are dependent on the US, your country doesn't have an independent nuclear deterrent, it relies on the US for it. The US funded it, designed it, developed it, manufactured it, continues to maintain it, and has operational influence over it. The UK ICBMs wouldn't even work without the US because they use GPS for navigation, which the US provides to the UK.

and we also have joint projects with the french, making us possibly the most protected country on earth.

Hahahaahahahahahah!

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In the UK you can get medical insurance and dental plans, and they are getting more popular since there are more private dentists than NHS

English is the 3rd largest language by number of native speakers due to the commonwealth, but yeah having america speaking it reinforces it

the British being jealous of America is laughable, I dont understand what you have that we would be jealous of. The patriotism and casual attitude towards racism and other prejudices, and the amount of extreme christians put me off ever wanting to live there. There are lots of good things that come out of america, but I don't want to be american.

Arguing about which is better seems pretty pathetic though, who cares? it doesnt matter

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At 5/31/07 12:08 PM, DJStatika wrote: In the UK you can get medical insurance and dental plans, and they are getting more popular since there are more private dentists than NHS

In the UK you don't get free medical insurance and dental plans. You are forced to pay taxes and your government provides those services for you, at their own whim. In the US we keep our money and decide what medical and dental plans we want, and can pick and choose from a host of highly-quality private providers.

The US private healthcare is leagues ahead of any other medical sector in the world because medical companies compete in order to provide the best product. In government-controlled healthcare industries like in the UK, everyone working in medicine will get payed the same amount regardless of how they perform, therefore their is no incentive for innovation or to provide the highest quality product.

English is the 3rd largest language by number of native speakers due to the commonwealth, but yeah having america speaking it reinforces it

English is so widespread for a slew of reasons. The fact that the US has the most popular culture in the world, and is the economic hub of the world is the biggest reason. People learn English because they are exposed to American culture their whole lives, and they need to learn English in order to compete in a global market that American companies dominate.

English was widely spoken due to British imperialism, but it became the language of the world due to American culture.

the British being jealous of America is laughable, I dont understand what you have that we would be jealous of.

More money, more affluent and popular culture (Music, TV, Movies, social trends), less taxes, less government intervention, more opportunity, more overall financial and social freedom etc..

Then, another thing Britons are jealous of is the sole Superpower status the US has, the hyperpower the US wields. It buggers the hell out of Brits that the US is vastly more powerful; economically, politically, and militarily. Brits love to still hang on to the notion that they are a superpower, but they aren't, and they haven't been ever since they lost their empire.

They have this sort of inferiority complex. In order to cope with jealousy, Brits have to be incredibly blinded by it to the point that they entirely ignore reality and take things out of context to perpetuate some myth of British superiority. Brits have to have an irrational bias against the US in order to cope.

"Americans are lazy, uneducated, stupid" etc, when you look at the facts, the UK is FAR, FAR worse in those aspects. But Brits don't want to know that, because that would compromise their fragile views.

The patriotism and casual attitude towards racism and other prejudices, and the amount of extreme christians put me off ever wanting to live there.

First of all, there is far less racism in the US than the UK, and the US treats minorities far better. Brits like to emphasize the small isolated racism in the south of the US and ignore their own racism in order to create the myth that they have a more cohesive society.

I got called a "Paki" in the UK about 30 times. One time I simply asked for a light and some stupid kid said what amounted to "go back to Arabia, Muslim" even though I'm not Muslim, but Arab, and not Saudi Arabian, but Lebanese. I've never, ever been called a racial slur in the US, I've never encountered that sort of ignorance here.

One thing to note, is that the US has a well-integrated Muslim population. Muslims in the US are highly optimistic about the US, and are overwhelmingly moderate. The same can't be said about British Muslims. Go to page 9 of that PDF, compare the sentiment among American Muslims compared to the Muslims of the Britain, France, Germany and Spain.

There are lots of good things that come out of america, but I don't want to be american.

Well many British do, while probably next to zero Americans want to become British.

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At 4/9/07 09:11 PM, Errormatix wrote: Free speech,my ignorant a-hole.

and america does suck,they just live here probably because they dont have the money to move to a better government.

Europe kicks america in the shins.

and yet i live in america...

*sigh*

Then help make it better instead of bitching. Kick these politicians in the asses and maybe do something to end corruption and buyouts and bribery instead you bitch maybe you should try to do something about it like Che and Fidel. ( Not that a mean a violent uprising you try that shit here the UUS military will stomp your ass.)

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"More money, more affluent and popular culture (Music, TV, Movies, social trends), less taxes, less government intervention, more opportunity, more overall financial and social freedom etc.."

Whether or not americans have more money I dont know, I doubt many people feel like americans have more money in general. I think british people would be more jealous of other british people with more money. British TV is popular all around the world, but that doesnt really matter, in britain in general people enjoy both british tv shows and american imports, there is no feeling that what comes out of america is better, there are some good shows and some bad one. America has a good movie industry, but its not something we are jealous of. American social trends spread around because of american TV and movies, but again, I dont see why anyone would be jealous of it. And the rest of the things on your list there, I doubt many are aware of the differences in tax etc

"Then, another thing Britons are jealous of is the sole Superpower status the US has"
I dont think this is true, I think this is just what patriotic americans assume everyone will be jealous of. I think the problem people around the world have with this is the america often bullies other countries in order to get their own way

"They have this sort of inferiority complex. In order to cope with jealousy, Brits have to be incredibly blinded by it to the point that they entirely ignore reality and take things out of context to perpetuate some myth of British superiority"

A few people do on the internet, but this is only because of the constant bragging you see on US tv about america being the greatest country in the world and being the land of the free etc, when you see someone banging on about how they are the best its only natural for a few people to try and knock them down a peg or 2

""Americans are lazy, uneducated, stupid" etc, when you look at the facts, the UK is FAR, FAR worse in those aspects. But Brits don't want to know that, because that would compromise their fragile views."

this is just a stereotype brought about by americans that cant find their country on a world map etc. I know someone that went to america and someone asked them if they had running water in the UK. From what Ive heard there are quite a few people in america who dont know much about what goes on outside america, so you could understand how it seems sometimes. Whatever the stats are or how you measure it, most people arent gonna know

"First of all, there is far less racism in the US than the UK, and the US treats minorities far better. Brits like to emphasize the small isolated racism in the south of the US and ignore their own racism in order to create the myth that they have a more cohesive society."

The average brit is shocked by racism, and its at the point where you are worried to even mention someones skin colour when describing them (which is a bit stupid), but on american tv you get comdians making racial jokes all the time, and even on NG you get people judging people by their race, which in my experience you dont generally get here in the UK.

"I got called a "Paki" in the UK about 30 times. One time I simply asked for a light and some stupid kid said what amounted to "go back to Arabia, Muslim" even though I'm not Muslim, "

I honestly find that hard that hard to believe, I work in a town with lots of muslims. In my office at the moment I have a muslim from morroco and a nigerian, and both have said very positive things about the attitude towards race in this country. On tv recently there were 40000 compaints because on a reality show someone called an indian girl "poppadom". Yes there is some racism here, but on the whole its very frowned upon. I wonder which part of the UK you experienced this? If it is true it sounds like you are judging us all by a small minority

"Well many British do, while probably next to zero Americans want to become British."

Well I know of quite a few people that have left britain to live in france, spain and australia. But I dont know anyone who has left to live in america. Whereas I have heard a lot of americans say that they admire the british, but then Americans are probably too patriotic in general to give up america

Dont get me wrong though, I'm not trying to say the Britain is better than america, just that its not as bad as the warped idea of britain you seem to have and we are certainly not jealous

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At 5/30/07 11:59 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: I would never, ever think about becoming a UK citizen, that would be a huge step down.

That's like saying: "I wouldn't become an American citizen, that would make me a fat, ignorant war monger", which we all know is false.
Your 20 year old ego is just like a 45 year olds Corvette, I'm willing to bet you get wood degrading other nations huh?

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At 6/1/07 08:07 AM, bcdemon wrote:

At 5/30/07 11:59 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: I would never, ever think about becoming a UK citizen, that would be a huge step down.

That's like saying: "I wouldn't become an American citizen, that would make me a fat, ignorant war monger", which we all know is false.

I said that becoming a UK citizen would be a step down. That doesn't mean that this would make me an inferior person, it would just mean that I would be becoming the citizen of an inferior country. I would be willfully squandering something better.

After education, observation, and a clear point of reference I come to the conclusion that living in the US is a lot better for various reasons. Hence my analogy - an American moving to the UK would be like someone trading a chateau for a shack. I didn't say that this would change the person or make them less of a person.

Your 20 year old ego is just like a 45 year olds Corvette, I'm willing to bet you get wood degrading other nations huh?

Maybe mental wood. But I don't take joy in degrading someone's country unless they deserve it. If someone gave an honest and educated reason for their view than I wouldn't have to crush it. But people like Cookie boil my blood because in order to salvage their nationality and maintain their entirely false anti-US views, they have to lie, repeat myths, and continue to ignore reality even when it's displayed right in front of them. Only then does 'degrading' their country become fun for me. Though, I don't consider it degradation, I consider it to be education.

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There are just as many if not more "America is better than ____" comments as well :/