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At 4/15/07 08:34 AM, cellardoor6 wrote: The US was the largest single contributor to the allied victory in WWII. If the US didn't join, the allies would have lost, and Britain would have crumbled.

How do you know what would have happened. You cant possably say how long we would have lasted.
The only successfull invasion of britain has been by romans and they built a big wall to keep people in the north out.
You can say that if the US did not support us we would have fell.
We could just have easily and did infact get support from scandinavia.

Your argument is through and after the war US air saved us and our economy when infact we could have rebuilt it quite easily ourself.
Their was lots of constrution required due to the fact lots of cities were carpet bombed theirs jobs for everyone right their.
We could easily grow our own food.

All the US main support or aid was milatairy aid. While we did have the resources we didnt have enough on hand, and it would have taken too long to get them from another source.
While not impossable the US were convienient and in time of war thats was your looking for.
The best option.

But im not arguing with you any more, its a waste of my time also its a nice sunny day again,
But you shouldnt think your better I dont think im better. Read my earlier post and tell me what you think about that.

At 4/15/07 10:49 AM, uhnoesanoob wrote: I mean, where do you spend most of your internet time? On this AMERICAN website.

Thats not true for me I dont know about the rest of the people here, yeah my time on this site has increased recently but it is no more than 30 mins a day for the 5-10 hours im on the computer.

Time to go any enjoy the sun :)
Cant believe the good weathre were having :D

At 4/15/07 11:26 AM, Jon-86 wrote:

At 4/15/07 08:34 AM, cellardoor6 wrote: The US was the largest single contributor to the allied victory in WWII. If the US didn't join, the allies would have lost, and Britain would have crumbled.

How do you know what would have happened. You cant possably say how long we would have lasted.

By the time America joined Japan had already gotton in which streched friendly forces far, the Atlantic war was being lost to the Germans, and here in the UK, Hitler wasn't traditionally defeating us he was showly chocking us to death.

Lets face it, Europe ran the 26 miles and America won by running the last 150 yards.

At 4/15/07 08:44 AM, Potempkin wrote: Says the guy who's leader is thought of as an idiot by many many people, and is spending millions on fighting in Iraq, when it was established long ago that there is no WMDs you oil-suckers!

How is this even relevant? We all know you're a fucking dumbshit, Potempkin, but we don't claim you have no voice.

This is a never ending thread.

Because you just posted and brought it back up to the top...
lol

At 4/10/07 01:32 AM, cellardoor6 wrote:

Only people who have never been to Europe and the US both will say that. Only people like you who have no point of rference.

Only an American would say that.

Europe sucks, Americans with vivid imaginations and higher IQs like to pretend otherwise and lash out against the mainstream by advocating European-style society. But then you go to Europe and you realize that the majority of Europeans are selfish, dirty ass holes. Their cities are dirty, they have horrible hygiene, their food is crap, and they have no sense of humor.

American food is fucking terrible, where were you..some ex-soviet shithole? I mean you invented like what, McDonalds? Your food sucks so much you leech off the mexicans for god sake. People here usually shower like once a day at least, so its not like everyone smells, just when our ancestors pared ways, the ones who satyed in the US started having to wash lots and lots. Maybe its not our countries that are dirty? And I can safely say you have no sense of humour. Some americans have a good sense of humour, hence funny american jokes or tv show being funny here. As for the dirty cites thing, it just sounds like you've got a really shitty tour to romania or some shit.

There is far less opportunity, far less extracurricular activities to engage in, and their society as a whole isn't as vibrant and diverse as it is in the US.

America is much more institutionally racist than the vast majority of europe, except maybe for the french every now and again. I assume you define diverse as how many Blacks and Mexicans you have in your country, but from what i see here and on other forums there are 2 types of American: -Republican and Democrat. Whatever those parties say you believe unquestioningly.

That may be a stereotype, but I've been all over Europe and I came to that conclusion based on my observation and experience. Europe is fun to visit occasionally for tourist reasons, but to live in almost any place in Europe would suck if you are used to America or Canada.

Ok, I grant you that arrogant republican bible bashers are basically not welcome in most European countries, but its pretty unfair to stereotype all Americans as having the same beleif system you do.

Heres an example; In the US if your car needs a jump-start, the average American guy will say "sure thing" he'll help you out, do a little chit chat, etc etc. Then when your car is running you'll offer him money and he probably won't accept it in return. Americans are nice for the most part, even if they refused to help you they aren't going to be angered and offended by the fact that you did ask them.

But if you did this in Europe and they'll tell you to fuck off and appear as if you just asked them to suck your balls. Either that or they'll demand a hefty fee for their assistance. This is a perfect example of our cultural differences. Usually the more rural Europeans are nicer, but most young urban Europeans are selfish assholes, they are brutally selfish.

Thats just not true. Its complete bullshit, thats not what its like at all. First of all it doesn't happen that much because European cars tend to work in the first place, but if that has not happened to you i'm going to put it down to xenophobia, and if it has happened to you i'm going to put it down to your approach/personality.

Europeans are cold and have no manners for the most part. You think Europe is a social, happy utopia la la land? It's not. You think cities like Paris are beautiful romantic places filled with smiling people? Hell no it's not, it's filled with greedy, selfish, rude assholes who barely ever smile, and who would just as quickly jack your wallet as they would give you directions.:

Unlike Detroit of course, which IS a "happy utopia la la land" or New York. Or LA.

The only place in Europe I would EVER consider living is Dusseldorf, Germany because that's where I stayed as an exchange student. But the only reason they are tolerable is because they are probably the most Americanized Europeans, and therefore have adopted American behavioral patterns.

haha, typical fucking hick." The only place I would ever go is the place I have already been to and actually quite like."

Maybe you just don't like feeling like a foreigner? Either way, do us all a favour and stay put, we don't want you anyway.

I've lived in America for most of my life, about 12 years, I'd say. But I also lived in Germany for about 3 years... and, lemme tell ya folks. European culture > Illegal Immigrants + MTV Rap Culture. I'm moving back to Stuttgart in June, and lemme tell ya, I can't wait.

We've got the highest obesity rate, and the best fast food in the world.

Europe is the porn capital of the world, and has the best wine and beer.

In that respect... Europe > America

Europe advertises pornos (without censors) on T.V. from 10:00 at night until 3 in the morning.

Here we occasionally get a Girls Gone Wild commercial (with censors) from like midnight until one.

In that respect... Europe > America

In Europe, the average family meal is a trip to a french restaurant with food that would be considered supreme cuisine here.

Here, mommy orders a pizza, maybe takes you out to get some KFC, or on a rare occasion, Olive Garden.

In that respect... Europe > America

In Europe, you've got awesome rock bands like Rammstein, Juli, and Tokio Hotel.

In America, pop, rap, and girly rock reigns... The most popular music is like, Linkin' Park, P Diddy, and Blink 182.

In that respect... Europe > America

Do I really need to go on?

Fuck, sounds like I live in america and never realised lol

America isn't the greatest nation, nor is it the worst. Overall, we're up in the top six countries, maybe even eight.. For every bad thing we've done, there's at least one thing we've done to make up for it. No country is perfect, and only the natives of that country should have the rights to criticize it, since we're the only ones living here. =/

We have many basic comforts which we take for granted, while other countries aren't as lucky as we are. AND we've practically NEVER started any wars (at least without reason), except for one. Most of the countries that claim we're assholes are probably the ones who have tried to conquer/kill us once before, many of them having no reason. Forgot which one, but it wasn't completely our fault. The japanese attacked the US for no reason, and they paid for it in WW2, didn't they?

We should've gone back to isolationism a LONG time ago. Maybe then we wouldn't have so many foreign assholes in the country, reaping the benefits of our countries while they criticize us. Not all foreigners are bitter, but many are. I've heard of an indian who runs a 7/11 nearby, being fifteen to thirty minutes away from my home, and he wasn't paying his taxes. He was making millions off of hotels and delis, and he was swindeling our government. The funny thing is, he hates americans. Why is he in the country if he hates us? Wouldn't he be better off in India? =/

And, another thing that irks me is the fact that all foreigners seem to think that americans are all fat. Sure, many of them are obese, but most are within a reasonable range. Not every american needs to be greased up before walking through doorways. And, not everyone eats at McDonalds and similar restaurants. I, for one, eat at healthier establishments, and I'm skinny as a rail. Funny thing is, some people get fat because of their genetics and metabolism. Me? I can eat 25$ worth of McDonalds and gain nothing. That's just my metabolism. It breaks those things down VERY quickly. Others aren't so lucky.

But, I'm not worried, because other countries are catching up; Japan and other foreign countries are building similar fast-food restaurants, which dissappoints me, since Japan has such healthy food. Definetly not good for them.

This is how I currently feel.

Please, If anyone feels as though I'm wrong in any perspective, correct me. I don't wish to sound ignorant, and I wish to become more intelligent. I'm not here looking for arguments, just debates, if anything.

At 4/17/07 03:33 PM, Dre-Man wrote:

Do I really need to go on?

Cost of living, incredibly high taxes, overcrowding, breakdown of local culture, breakdown of religion, rising crime rates ect ect.

Unlike Detroit of course, which IS a "happy utopia la la land" or New York. Or LA.

Alright, you just dropped 5 pts on my "respect-o-meter" for that comment. Detroit is about as fun, exciting, and utopian as cancer....

Hopefully your comment was meant to be sarcastic.......

At 4/17/07 07:11 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 4/17/07 03:33 PM, Dre-Man wrote:

Do I really need to go on?

Cost of living, incredibly high taxes, overcrowding, breakdown of local culture, breakdown of religion, rising crime rates ect ect.

Okay, I know that they have a high cost of living, taxes, whatever. But explain to me the local culture breakdown, religion breakdown, and rising crime rates. Because while I was there... crime rates were high only in Italy and some of the more eastern countries.

At 4/17/07 07:18 PM, Dre-Man wrote:

At 4/17/07 07:11 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 4/17/07 03:33 PM, Dre-Man wrote:

Okay, I know that they have a high cost of living, taxes, whatever. But explain to me the local culture breakdown, religion breakdown, and rising crime rates. Because while I was there... crime rates were high only in Italy and some of the more eastern countries.

Violent crime rates are rising in the UK and other nations.

Immigrants that are coming into the country have started to not assimalate into the native culture or even adopt some of it.

France has shown these problems, the UK has shown these problems.

And Europe has increasingly been leaving the religous realm, somewhat of a loss of morality. Thats why the Pope keeps preaching on Europe to regain it's Christian heritage.

At 4/17/07 07:26 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 4/17/07 07:18 PM, Dre-Man wrote:

At 4/17/07 07:11 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 4/17/07 03:33 PM, Dre-Man wrote:

Okay, I know that they have a high cost of living, taxes, whatever. But explain to me the local culture breakdown, religion breakdown, and rising crime rates. Because while I was there... crime rates were high only in Italy and some of the more eastern countries.

Violent crime rates are rising in the UK and other nations.

Sources, and specification please.

Immigrants that are coming into the country have started to not assimalate into the native culture or even adopt some of it.

Hmmm... which country of mine does that remind me of? Ah yes, doesn't America have a very horrible problem with ILLEGAL immigration right now? Don't we have almost every product, every public announcement, and even television channels that are either bilingual or in pure spanish?

Do you think that these ILLEGAL immigrants come over to America with an English/Spanish dictionary in hand, an American flag risen over their patio, and an extremely efficient work ethic?

Europe might be having some problems with the Turks, but at least they aren't coming over illegally, stealing european jobs, and lowering the quality of living considerably.

Mexicans live off of American tax dollars with their welfare checks and their food stamps, have kids that they send to American schools without paying American taxes (who also recieve a free citizenship to the U.S. free of charge!), and then COMPLAIN when WE don't learn THEIR language!

Turks clean european shit off of the walls with their tongues if they have to do it to make a living, learn the native language of the country, support their children with their own money, and pay the extremely high european taxes.

Now, which country would you say has the better immigration policies?

France has shown these problems, the UK has shown these problems.

Really? Sources and specification please.

And Europe has increasingly been leaving the religous realm, somewhat of a loss of morality. Thats why the Pope keeps preaching on Europe to regain it's Christian heritage.

Only in the UK is there a major lack of religious activity. There are an enormous ammount of devout Christians (even though they're mostly roman catholic) in many countries across Europe.

At 4/17/07 08:15 PM, Dre-Man wrote:

At 4/17/07 07:26 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 4/17/07 07:18 PM, Dre-Man wrote:

At 4/17/07 07:11 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 4/17/07 03:33 PM, Dre-Man wrote:

Sources, and specification please.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/51 13248.stm
http://archive.thisisworcestershire.co.uk/200 4/7/29/75647.html
http://archive.bridportnews.co.uk/2006/10/21/
120275.html

Now, which country would you say has the better immigration policies?

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2005/france.riots /
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/70009 71053
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/paris_riots /

Really? Sources and specification please.

France ones above. I mean really, google search French Riots and you'll get numerous sites. Hey, when have the mexicans started to burn cars in our country, riot in massive numbers, attack officers etc etc.

From what I saw of them, they held nice peacefull rallies and protests, which is quite different then what is happening in France or...

Europe
http://www.ismi.emory.edu/Articles/SpanishPre ss/lv072502.html

And CNN had a very good on on the UK
http://edition.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/siu/shows /war.within/

Only in the UK is there a major lack of religious activity. There are an enormous ammount of devout Christians (even though they're mostly roman catholic) in many countries across Europe.

And while this link may be a opinion and editorial it helps.
Eastern Europe is still religous and in touch with the Orthodox Chuch, the West is increasingly leaving it's religous roots.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editoria ls/2006-01-08-faith-edit_x.htm

Your links didn't provide answers to my questions about the immigration, quote everything I said and respond to it.

Americans are dumb. Russia is the country that beat Germany. They also paid for it more than anyone else. The west just jumped in when they realized that russia was going to take control of all of europe. Part of why the nukes were dropped on japan was to stop russia from taking japan as well, cuz they were well on their way.

On a related note, this is why Iran needs nukes. The usa won't dare touch them if they get their hands on some nuclear weapons.

At 4/17/07 10:17 PM, ForkRobotik wrote: On a related note, this is why Iran needs nukes. The usa won't dare touch them if they get their hands on some nuclear weapons.

Can you just uhh... worry about Canada?
And no if Iran gets nukes it is much more likely for us to take action on them.

At 4/17/07 10:16 PM, Dre-Man wrote: Your links didn't provide answers to my questions about the immigration, quote everything I said and respond to it.

You didn't read the links did you?

At 4/17/07 10:24 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 4/17/07 10:16 PM, Dre-Man wrote: Your links didn't provide answers to my questions about the immigration, quote everything I said and respond to it.

You didn't read the links did you?

You didn't read what I said, did you?

At 4/17/07 10:19 PM, SuperDeagle wrote:

At 4/17/07 10:17 PM, ForkRobotik wrote: On a related note, this is why Iran needs nukes. The usa won't dare touch them if they get their hands on some nuclear weapons.

Can you just uhh... worry about Canada?
And no if Iran gets nukes it is much more likely for us to take action on them.

Like you took action on North Korea? So you're saying it's not okay for iran to have nukes, but it's okay for the traditional world powers, plus Israeal/India and the dictatorship of Pakistan? How much do you actually know about Iran, anyway?

At 4/17/07 10:17 PM, ForkRobotik wrote: Americans are dumb. Russia is the country that beat Germany. They also paid for it more than anyone else. The west just jumped in when they realized that russia was going to take control of all of europe. Part of why the nukes were dropped on japan was to stop russia from taking japan as well, cuz they were well on their way.

We entered when japan attacked us. We droped nukes on japan (I don't agree with this) to get them to surrender.

At 4/17/07 10:26 PM, Dre-Man wrote:

At 4/17/07 10:24 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 4/17/07 10:16 PM, Dre-Man wrote:

You didn't read what I said, did you?

Once again, you didnt' read the links now did you?

I'm going to take it as a no, since your reply came to minutes after my post.

Come back to me when you read them. Then we can have a nice little chat and find out where your wrong again.

At 4/17/07 10:34 PM, ForkRobotik wrote: Like you took action on North Korea?

Once again can you just worry about Canada and not the US?

So you're saying it's not okay for iran to have nukes, but it's okay for the traditional world powers, plus Israeal/India and the dictatorship of Pakistan?

I didn't say that now did I?

How much do you actually know about Iran, anyway?

How much do you?

At 4/17/07 10:39 PM, LordJaric wrote:

At 4/17/07 10:17 PM, ForkRobotik wrote: Americans are dumb. Russia is the country that beat Germany. They also paid for it more than anyone else. The west just jumped in when they realized that russia was going to take control of all of europe. Part of why the nukes were dropped on japan was to stop russia from taking japan as well, cuz they were well on their way.

We entered when japan attacked us. We droped nukes on japan (I don't agree with this) to get them to surrender.

Well, although I think it stopped a lot of deaths within our military, I agree with your answer. The problem with America is that we stick our heads out for other countries, when we should keep to ourselves and tell them to fuck off. We're getting way too deep into other countries' situations. By bombing Japan, we stopped them from conquering all of asia.

At 4/17/07 11:03 PM, Flatland wrote:

At 4/17/07 10:39 PM, LordJaric wrote:

At 4/17/07 10:17 PM, ForkRobotik wrote: Americans are dumb. Russia is the country that beat Germany. They also paid for it more than anyone else. The west just jumped in when they realized that russia was going to take control of all of europe. Part of why the nukes were dropped on japan was to stop russia from taking japan as well, cuz they were well on their way.

We entered when japan attacked us. We droped nukes on japan (I don't agree with this) to get them to surrender.

Well, although I think it stopped a lot of deaths within our military, I agree with your answer. The problem with America is that we stick our heads out for other countries, when we should keep to ourselves and tell them to fuck off. We're getting way too deep into other countries' situations. By bombing Japan, we stopped them from conquering all of asia.

I forgot to add that if it was the japan deciding wether or not to bomb us, then they'd do it for the sake of their people. We wouldn't, because we think about EVERYONE. That's what we need to change. The japanese don't live in THIS country, and our government should be looking out for us only.

At 4/17/07 10:43 PM, SuperDeagle wrote: Once again can you just worry about Canada and not the US?

I can have an opinion on whatever i want, and you should support my rights, if you support freedom.

So you're saying it's not okay for iran to have nukes, but it's okay for the traditional world powers, plus Israeal/India and the dictatorship of Pakistan?

I didn't say that now did I?

You said the usa would have to take action(attack?) against iran if they had nukes. The usa has not taken action against any other country that has nukes, and has actually supplied technology to countries like India and Israel...your answer implies the obvious.

How much do you actually know about Iran, anyway?

How much do you?

A fair amount. Also, i asked you the question, because you seem to think that Iran shouldn't have nukes, and i would like to know why you think that about a country like Iran.

I can have an opinion on whatever i want, and you should support my rights, if you support freedom.

As long as you're chillin up there in Canadialand, we don't gotta do shit for you.

And supporting your right to express an opinion is different from agreement/disagreement of that opinion. For someone claiming to be 27, I think this point should have been rather obvious......

At 4/17/07 11:11 PM, ForkRobotik wrote:

At 4/17/07 10:43 PM, SuperDeagle wrote: Once again can you just worry about Canada and not the US?

I can have an opinion on whatever i want, and you should support my rights, if you support freedom.

I am obligated to support the freedoms of US citizens.

So you're saying it's not okay for iran to have nukes, but it's okay for the traditional world powers, plus Israeal/India and the dictatorship of Pakistan?

I didn't say that now did I?

You said the usa would have to take action(attack?) against iran if they had nukes. The usa has not taken action against any other country that has nukes, and has actually supplied technology to countries like India and Israel...your answer implies the obvious.

Didn't say 'would' have to. I said it would be likely.
Also theres a difference between allys and questionables.

How much do you actually know about Iran, anyway?

How much do you?

A fair amount. Also, i asked you the question, because you seem to think that Iran shouldn't have nukes, and i would like to know why you think that about a country like Iran.

I'm sure you could figure out the obvious reasons on your own.

Sorry I'm tired.

At 4/17/07 11:17 PM, Imperator wrote:

I can have an opinion on whatever i want, and you should support my rights, if you support freedom.

As long as you're chillin up there in Canadialand, we don't gotta do shit for you.

Don't misinterprate me, i saw what you did for Iraq and Afghanistan, and i'm very thankful that you "aint done shit for me." Dumbass.

And supporting your right to express an opinion is different from agreement/disagreement of that opinion. For someone claiming to be 27, I think this point should have been rather obvious......

Clearly english is a second language to you. Please read what i wrote again. My right is to have an opinion and to be able to express it. It was in reply to his post, asking me not to have an opinion on "his" country. And please stop looking at my profile to try and "dig something up" on me, it's pathetic and sad.