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I am so tired of hearing this crap. This is a pissing contest so you can say "my country is better than yours" each country has its own advantages and disadvantages but it looks like no one can understand that.

At 4/14/07 11:25 AM, TheBlueNeck wrote: I am so tired of hearing this crap. This is a pissing contest so you can say "my country is better than yours"

Totally agree.

each country has its own advantages and disadvantages but it looks like no one can understand that.

I agree with you. Im trying to get other people *cough*cellardoor6*cough* to stop putting other countries down just because they are blinkered xenophobes.

At 4/9/07 10:40 PM, Eoewe wrote: I've lived in other countries and I still like the US the best. Although Germany and Ireland have a special place in my heart.

Deutschland is the shit. Too bad Jews like to slander it.

At 4/14/07 11:25 AM, TheBlueNeck wrote: I am so tired of hearing this crap. This is a pissing contest so you can say "my country is better than yours" each country has its own advantages and disadvantages but it looks like no one can understand that.

I actually agree most countries have a proud heritage, the problem is alot of foreigners mitigate the America's eminent role in the Modern Age, in order to salvage their own nationalism.

We have free speech. So we can say whatever the hell we want. I can say president Bush is an ass hole so what? I can say this country sucks big wup. Nobadys gonna shoot me for saying that.
Ya know way? 'cause its true in my words. Any place in the world is better the america. Why? 'cause there goverment isn't a bunch of money suckeing retards. The only time they actually get up and do some thing is when there is a 10$ bill on the floor.

At 4/14/07 04:06 PM, PhychWard wrote:

Ya know way? 'cause its true in my words. Any place in the world is better the america. Why? 'cause there goverment isn't a bunch of money suckeing retards. The only time they actually get up and do some thing is when there is a 10$ bill on the floor.

It amazes me that you're 26 years old.

At 4/14/07 04:06 PM, PhychWard wrote: We have free speech. So we can say whatever the hell we want. I can say president Bush is an ass hole so what? I can say this country sucks big wup. Nobadys gonna shoot me for saying that.

But you can't say or have illustrated that you are going to kill him, do any shit like that and the Secret Service come and visit you.

Ya know way? 'cause its true in my words. Any place in the world is better the america. Why? 'cause there goverment isn't a bunch of money suckeing retards. The only time they actually get up and do some thing is when there is a 10$ bill on the floor.

Not nessessarily.

Japan is much better than America, if you can get past the over-crowding. I'm planning on moving there in a couple of years.

At 4/14/07 08:49 PM, PirooftheUSA wrote: Japan is much better than America, if you can get past the over-crowding. I'm planning on moving there in a couple of years.

Let me guess. So you can jack off to more cartoon porn?

At 4/14/07 09:53 PM, Memorize wrote:

At 4/14/07 08:49 PM, PirooftheUSA wrote: Japan is much better than America, if you can get past the over-crowding. I'm planning on moving there in a couple of years.

Let me guess. So you can jack off to more cartoon porn?

Dude thats just mean

At 4/9/07 10:08 PM, DarkPhazon wrote: Everything is better thsn america.
We suck.

And I'm betting everyone's secretly got nukes aimed at us.

its not THAT bad

The reason many people think America sucks is that in the news they will select the worse parts and then the good looking and not as smart will be idolized.

Personally, I think each country has its own flaws and when features like "Jay Walking" on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno is shown, it just gives people a worse opinion of us.

I do agree though, give people a few years in a different place and they will find something to be annoyed about.

At 4/14/07 08:36 AM, Potempkin wrote: Lets face it, Europe is better than America!!

Let's face it, everyone who says that never knows what the fuck they are talking about.

And in the meantime you say that while using a computer that was invented by Americans, running software that was invented by Americans, on an American website, on the internet which was invented by Americans, while you use electricity that was discovered and harnessed by Americans. Then you're going to go watch TV that was invented by an American, watching an American show, while eating food that was preserved in the refrigerator that was invented by an American.

Then basically every appliance, every bit of technology that you use in your entire life you owe to Americans. And you like to believe Europe is superior, yet its entire existence right now is based on America, and is owed to America politically, economically, and militarily.

I burn your flag!

So all you CAN do is burn a flag, because thats the most childish, meaningless, and primitive thing someone can do to satisfy their bias that they can't really back up with words or reason. I don't have to burn a European flag to pretend America is better, all I have to do is mention the fact that while you say what you say, you're only biting the hand that feeds you (America) because the venue through which you say it is provided to you by the US.

At 4/15/07 04:30 AM, cellardoor6 wrote: And in the meantime you say that while using a computer that was invented by Americans,

Konrad Zuse is considered to be the person who really invented the computer. He was in fact German.

If you really want to get pedantic then Alan Turing, a Brit, can also be argued to be the founder of modern computer science as well. Neither of these two are Americans.

But of course, none of the work these people did could mean anything without the formulas needed to make computers work. And for that we thank those who invented Algebra, who were in fact Arabic.

So what's your point? Even if the first PC was developed in America ( No clue if it was or not) every invention owes it's existence to work that comes before it.

Sayin that America is better based solely on the fact that we use stuff you made is stupid. 'Cause lets face it, without Europeans, a lot of those inventions never would have happened anyway as we laid the foundations for them.

If we're going to play the ' we're better than you game' then perhaps you should take things like that into consideration.

Then you're going to go watch TV that was invented by an American,

John Logie Baird created worlds first working TV. He was in fact Scottish.

Then basically every appliance, every bit of technology that you use in your entire life you owe to Americans.

Except the TV, the computer, the vacuum and the washing machine and gods knows what else. All of which aren't American and all of which are very common appliances that are found throughout the world.

And you like to believe Europe is superior, yet its entire existence right now is based on America, and is owed to America politically, economically, and militarily.

Economically? Yes. You are the worlds only super power at the moment. That won't last forever mind, so once you lsoe that status your point become moot.

Militarily?Currently, yes. But should Europe get off their asses and actually work together properly, no we wouldn't be, once again rendering your point moot.

Politically? What? Most of Europe doesn't really like America, so they don't go looking to them for political approval when they do things really. Britain is the only one that's willing to do your bidding and Britain isn't the whole of Europe.

Everything you've listed as being reasons why America is 'superior' are either Blatant idiotic generalisations, or things which mean jack shit and can change in the blink of an eye should the right circumstances occur.

If you really want to try and argue that USA is better then you should try arguing that your culture is better. But of course arguing that in the modern day is pointless. Most Western nations are influenced by each other in some way so they've all become very similar making it worthless arguing about who's better anyway.

At 4/15/07 05:29 AM, Tri-Nitro-Toluene wrote:

At 4/15/07 04:30 AM, cellardoor6 wrote: And in the meantime you say that while using a computer that was invented by Americans,

Konrad Zuse is considered to be the person who really invented the computer. He was in fact German.

Learn to read English. I said that the computer he was using was invented by Americans. And in case you dispute this, maybe you should brief yourself with the History of computers . The VAST MAJORITY of innovation in computers was by Americans, and the first functioning personal computers were invented by Americans.

And chances are, the computer that the person who said "Europe is better" uses is a PC or a Mac, both of which are American, and use American software. This is added on to the fact that the internet he is using was invented by an American, and the website he used to say Europe is better than America is American.

Sayin that America is better based solely on the fact that we use stuff you made is stupid.

No it's not. It's entirely relevant. How stupid is it for someone to say "Europe is better than America" all while they are doing this while using basically all American technology with which to say it? THAT would be stupid.

'Cause lets face it, without Europeans, a lot of those inventions never would have happened anyway as we laid the foundations for them.

And yet those Europeans never actually invented those inventions... Americans did. And either way, there has been MUCH more scientific innovation in the US in the last 200 years than ever took place in Europe.

The very foundations of the modern world; Electricity and communications, are all byproducts of American discoveries, breakthroughs, technology and inventions.

If we're going to play the ' we're better than you game' then perhaps you should take things like that into consideration.

Then you're going to go watch TV that was invented by an American,

John Logie Baird created worlds first working TV. He was in fact Scottish.

WRONG . The first functioning tube Television that is the basis of modern TV was invented by Philo Farnsworth, who was an American from Utah.

Other scientists were able to transmit very primitive video signals with mechanic devices, but the first fully functioning television was invented by an American.

Then basically every appliance, every bit of technology that you use in your entire life you owe to Americans.

Except the TV, the computer, the vacuum and the washing machine and gods knows what else. All of which aren't American and all of which are very common appliances that are found throughout the world.

Actually the TV is American, and the computer as it is today was also invented by an American as I showed. Also, the Vacuum cleaner was invented by an American and the first washing "machine" was invented by an American as well, while the first rotary washing machine wasn't.

And even then, compare that to all the other things invented by Americans:

Radar
The Radio
The internet
The personal computer
A little something called THE AIRPLANE.
The Microwave
The Refrigerator
The Submarine
The stereo, the CD, the MP3 player etc..

Economically? Yes. You are the worlds only super power at the moment. That won't last forever mind, so once you lsoe that status your point become moot.

First of all, Europe wouldn't even have an economy right now if the US didn't lift it up by the bootstraps and give it so much aide after WWII and until the last decade.

But even if the US gets ousted as the economic superpower in monatery terms (such as will happen with China in a few decades), the US will still have other economic strengths that GDP alone doesn't represent. For instance, almost all of the major stock exchanges, world financial systems and so forth are owned by the US, even if/when China becomes a larger economy, it will still rely on the access to banks and stock markets that the US allows them access to.

Militarily?Currently, yes. But should Europe get off their asses and actually work together properly, no we wouldn't be, once again rendering your point moot.

Europe will never be dependent of the US, because Europe currently is a region filled with cowardly, selfish little hypocrites that need the US to do the dirtywork so they can pretend they are blameless when they see something that the US does is bad, but so that they can reap the benefits of being aligned with the US at the same time.

Europeans like to complain about US military presence in their countries, yet this very military presence is the only reason they aren't speaking German and/or Russian right now.

Politically? What? Most of Europe doesn't really like America, so they don't go looking to them for political approval when they do things really.

Um, the mindless, powerless youth of Europe don't like the US, but European governments for the most part are entirely aligned with the US. Just because a bunch of psychotic liberal youth in Europe hypocritically attack the US for things -that are actually the same or worse in their own countries - doesn't mean that the US doesn't have political sway over their governments.

Britain is the only one that's willing to do your bidding and Britain isn't the whole of Europe.

It's not about doing the bidding of the US, that's not even what I was talking about. It's not just the political power by force, but by agreement. The US does pressure some of Europe to do things, yes, but most of Europe eagerly follows the US, or atleast their governments do. Look at all the former Soviet states, they are all allied with the US and did this the moment the Soviet Union collapsed.

That is political power, when America's former enemies immediately and giddily adopted our policies and accepted our alliance the moment Moscow relinquished control. And today, the biggest opponent of the US in the Eurozone is Russia, but even then, their sphere of former influence is dominated by the US.

Everything you've listed as being reasons why America is 'superior' are either Blatant idiotic generalisations, or things which mean jack shit and can change in the blink of an eye should the right circumstances occur.

Haha you don't know what you're talking about, it's really hilarious.

If you really want to try and argue that USA is better then you should try arguing that your culture is better.

Well I could make that argument as well seeing as how most of the world imitates American culture and eats it up like they do McDonald's, Pizza Hut etc... (pun lol). Everywhere in the world that I've been I witnessed people watching American TV, listening to American music, watching America movies etc...

So it seems even Europeans who think they are "better" than the US seem to love our culture, yet hypocritically criticize it simultaneously.

At 4/14/07 08:49 PM, PirooftheUSA wrote: Japan is much better than America, if you can get past the over-crowding. I'm planning on moving there in a couple of years.

Wapanese fanboy.

At 4/15/07 06:31 AM, cellardoor6 wrote:
And even then, compare that to all the other things invented by Americans:

Radar

Heres something on Radar.

The Radio

Do you mean Transistor radio or Walky?

The internet

Ok.

The personal computer

Now the term computer has been used so much you can't really tell who or when invented the first computer. If by computer you mean by number calculating, the first computer could be the Abacus, the slide rule, the astrolabe and the Antikythera which were all used between 150BC - 100BC.

A little something called THE AIRPLANE.

Acually my good man, a New Zealand gentleman called Richard Pearse, flew 9 months before the Wright brothers. However he did not have as good as control or flying time.

The Microwave

By Percy Spencer, who died in 1970. Yes he was American.

The Refrigerator

Acually it was a German gentleman called Carl von Linde, who formed the basis of refrigeration technology in 1876.

The Submarine

The first military submarine was invented by an American genltman, in 1775. But the very first submarine was invented in 1620 by a Dutchman.

The stereo, the CD, the MP3 player etc..

Too vague.

First of all, Europe wouldn't even have an economy right now if the US didn't lift it up by the bootstraps and give it so much aide after WWII and until the last decade.

Oh my God give it a rest. Europe discovered and colonised your country, yet who cares will pass my ears if I tell anyone around me (Real people not on the internet) And still who cares dont seem to have passed yours.

This thread is starting to drag and become a flame war.

At 4/15/07 06:31 AM, cellardoor6 wrote: First of all, Europe wouldn't even have an economy right now if the US didn't lift it up by the bootstraps and give it so much aide after WWII and until the last decade.

No you didnt win WW2 so stop thinking you did.
The only reason the US got inviloved was because of Pearl Harbor
And if you didnt Britain still had thousands of troops and conscripts all over the world that it hadnt deployed.

Im not taking anything away from the poeple that fought because they fought well but you are claiming they done more than they did.

At 4/15/07 07:40 AM, Brick-top wrote:

At 4/15/07 06:31 AM, cellardoor6 wrote:
And even then, compare that to all the other things invented by Americans:

Radar

Heres something on Radar.

Here's something else

The first radar to be produced that actually WORKED and was practical was created by an American. The British and the US improved upon it together, it is a myth that Radar is a British invention.

The Radio

Do you mean Transistor radio or Walky?

I mean the fact that the first practical wireless communcation via radio waves was pioneered by an American. Now, I'm sure you might say "well it was Nicola Tesla who did that". But he became a US citizen and did most of his work in the US.

Now the term computer has been used so much you can't really tell who or when invented the first computer. If by computer you mean by number calculating, the first computer could be the Abacus, the slide rule, the astrolabe and the Antikythera which were all used between 150BC - 100BC.

I was referring to the computer that a user was using. I said that he was using a computer invented by Americans in order to pretend Europe is better than America. And since it is almost entirely certain that he is using either a Mac or a PC, then it is certain that his computer is American-invented.

A little something called THE AIRPLANE.

Acually my good man, a New Zealand gentleman called Richard Pearse, flew 9 months before the Wright brothers. However he did not have as good as control or flying time.

Um the first SUCCESSFUL Airplane was invented by the Wright brothers.

Even then, it's not entirely proven that Richard Pearse actually flew it, it's just speculation, it wasn't documented with credible eyewitnesses, in fact the eyewitnesses of his supposed first flights were school children

The Refrigerator

Acually it was a German gentleman called Carl von Linde, who formed the basis of refrigeration technology in 1876.

Wrong. The first person to demonstrate artificial refrigeration was a Scottish man named William Cullen, but the first refrigerator machine was invented by an American named Oliver Evans, while the first practical refrigerator was created by Jacob Perkins.

Therefore, the refrigerator, as I said, was invented by an American.

All Carl Von Linden did was patent liquefying gas as a party of the theory of artificual refrigeration.

At 4/15/07 08:12 AM, Jon-86 wrote:

At 4/15/07 06:31 AM, cellardoor6 wrote: First of all, Europe wouldn't even have an economy right now if the US didn't lift it up by the bootstraps and give it so much aide after WWII and until the last decade.

No you didnt win WW2 so stop thinking you did.

The US was the largest single contributor to the allied victory in WWII. If the US didn't join, the allies would have lost, and Britain would have crumbled.

The only reason the US got inviloved was because of Pearl Harbor

Actually the US was involved way before Pearl Harbor because the US provided the majority of war material to the allies. Britain especially couldn't even supply, fuel, and even feed it's troops without American support, long before the US entered with military force.

And if you didnt Britain still had thousands of troops and conscripts all over the world that it hadnt deployed.

And yet Britain and the allies were losing on every front before the US entered the war.

Im not taking anything away from the poeple that fought because they fought well but you are claiming they done more than they did.

No I'm not, I actually didn't even bring up who won WWII initially, you only assumed I did. What I was actually referring to the post-war aid that the US gave Europe. The US was responsible for the economic reconstruction of Europe, the US gave enormous amounts of money, food, clothes... everything to the displaced Europeans whose cities were destroyed and who were starving. The US rebuilt Europe free of charge.

And even then, the US did do the most. The US fought in every theatre of the war, supplied all of the allies when they couldn't do so themselves, and the US won every major campaign it fought during the war, while every single time in Europe when the British planned an operation it lost (Operation Market Garden most notably). The US fought in Africa, the Mediterranean, Europe, and the Pacific in a larger degree than any other ally. The US single handedly defeated the Japanese, was equal to the British in Africa, did more in the Med and in Western Europe. While the Brits and Russians didn't fight the Japanese, the Russians only fought on the Eastern front.

The US did the most. Anyone who actually has any clue what they are talking about will acknowledge this. Only dumb people who want to ignore reality to salvage their anti US bias, or people who have absolutely no education in the matter, will say otherwise.

Nothing is sadder than a pretentious intellectual.

At 4/15/07 06:31 AM, cellardoor6 wrote:

At 4/15/07 05:29 AM, Tri-Nitro-Toluene wrote:

At 4/15/07 04:30 AM, cellardoor6 wrote:

So it seems even Europeans who think they are "better" than the US seem to love our culture, yet hypocritically criticize it simultaneously.

Says the guy who's leader is thought of as an idiot by many many people, and is spending millions on fighting in Iraq, when it was established long ago that there is no WMDs you oil-suckers!

Interesting point Cellardoor. If we really wish to list all the technological/scientific breakthroughs between America and Europe then I think you'll find we have you at an advantage there. Of course you could argue that we've had more time but even in the last two hundred years or so I'd say most credit to europe. While we're at it most of your 'inventions' are really just improvements or embellishments on principles pioneered by the europeans. The concept of generating electricity, for example, goes to Faraday who was an Englishman. The internet was also created by an Englishman, his name was Tim Berners-Lee so I'm afraid you're mistaken on that account as well.

The language you use to boast about America's superiority, your own lineage, the vast majority of the items that you use throughout your life, the laws and the form of government that regulates you can all be traced back to europe. Either they've ben embellished upon or improved upon, but they're all based on principles pioneered by european scientists, politicians, philosophers, writers, musicians, playwrights, linguists and even the general populace.

This doesn't make us any better, however; or at least I wouldn't say it did. It was people who created these things, not countries on the whole so to say that "we're better because someone who created something happened to be of my nationality" is frankly ridiculous.

Oh and a final note not all europeans are rude, such sweeping generalisations are the bane of rationality.

At 4/15/07 08:44 AM, Potempkin wrote:

Says the guy who's leader is thought of as an idiot by many many people, and is spending millions on fighting in Iraq, when it was established long ago that there is no WMDs you oil-suckers!

You're either a moron or you suck at satire.

The latter?

i like melbounre but im stuck in WA you bitches are lucky

At 4/15/07 08:15 AM, cellardoor6 wrote: your chatting shit.

Oh C'mon, your bending the truth a little there my friend.

Settle down gentlemen. I just hate people who think America is worse then any other place. If we could just stop making 'America suxors!' topics we would be a whole lot nicer. And, America is not so bad, I mean, where do you spend most of your internet time? On this AMERICAN website. So, before you bash on us any futher, keep that in mind. Oh, and no bashing on the Bahamas either. Or Ireland. Or England. Or anything. Bash on people, not governments.

We spend time on it because its good, but I could quite easily go on a European one thats just as good, I just like newgrounds...

At 4/15/07 10:49 AM, uhnoesanoob wrote:

. Oh, and no bashing on the Bahamas either. Or Ireland. Or England. Or anything. Bash on people, not governments.

You've just put the idea's into my head now.

Umm let me think.........Your beaches are nice, there gay!
Ireland is full of drunks and nutters with guns!
And England has Royals, and Polish people in it!