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At 4/10/07 05:21 PM, Wills4545 wrote: The biggest problem is that by completing this equation, you would have changed the outcome of everything, because the equation requires a static univrse.

So therefore the equation is moot since by the time you do it, its wrong. It tries to predict the future, but it predicts a future that didnt happen (since the universe changed) and so does not in fact predict the future.

Therefore we have no free will technically, but we feel we do. If i go up and put my fist through my wall, i think, who coulda predicted that? but 10 years in the future i could say, 10 years ago i... etc.

Thats looking back at what happened. You cant prove that we are all part of some massive preordained system by looking in a history book.

And most importantly, wait till ur 18 before having sex.

w00t. 16 in the UK!!

At 4/8/07 03:49 PM, vic000 wrote: I've been doing some reading and it turns out that Quantum theory tells us that particles are controled by chance.

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I agree.
If your going to a store down the street.
You usually drive your truck.
Today, its avery nice day. So you pull a quarter out of your pocket ,flip it into the air, heads you drive tails you walk.
What ever side of a randomly picked coin,it lands on decides how your going to move.
Random chance.
The freedom to be able to make that distinction, freewill.

At 4/11/07 11:21 AM, Boltrig wrote:

At 4/10/07 05:21 PM, Wills4545 wrote: The biggest problem is that by completing this equation, you would have changed the outcome of everything, because the equation requires a static univrse.

So therefore the equation is moot since by the time you do it, its wrong. It tries to predict the future, but it predicts a future that didnt happen (since the universe changed) and so does not in fact predict the future.

Therefore we have no free will technically, but we feel we do. If i go up and put my fist through my wall, i think, who coulda predicted that? but 10 years in the future i could say, 10 years ago i... etc.

Thats looking back at what happened. You cant prove that we are all part of some massive preordained system by looking in a history book.

And most importantly, wait till ur 18 before having sex.

w00t. 16 in the UK!!

I don't think you quite understand...IF, we coud do this equation instntly, we could predict what would have happened if we HADN'T, so we were predicting the future, and in all probability, a lot of it will come true, but again, a lot of it is stuff like, will the earth keep spinning and will the sun keep shining etc. All of which is provable in oter ways. But what i was saying, was that whatever i do now can be known in the future, through memory of what happened and evidence of what happened. So therefore i can never change what happened. What happened, happened. So if i were to go back to the beginning of everything, i could say, in this point of time, this happened. period. Or at the end of the universe, i could say the same thing. I can hardly wrap my mind around it myself, and i'm sure i'm not doing Hawkings justice with my explination, but hopefully you can kind of understand?

I used to live in England... Does that mean i have legally have sex at 16 too? Duel Citizenship rules!

At 4/14/07 12:20 PM, Wills4545 wrote:

I don't think you quite understand...IF, we coud do this equation instntly, we could predict what would have happened if we HADN'T, so we were predicting the future, and in all probability, a lot of it will come true, but again, a lot of it is stuff like, will the earth keep spinning and will the sun keep shining etc. All of which is provable in oter ways. But what i was saying, was that whatever i do now can be known in the future, through memory of what happened and evidence of what happened. So therefore i can never change what happened. What happened, happened. So if i were to go back to the beginning of everything, i could say, in this point of time, this happened. period. Or at the end of the universe, i could say the same thing. I can hardly wrap my mind around it myself, and i'm sure i'm not doing Hawkings justice with my explination, but hopefully you can kind of understand?

I tihnk youre saying if you were to go back to like 1900 with a knowledge of all that was to come, you could predict it all? Thing is with that, your presence would change that. Things get said, people get shot and all the little changes add up = P

I used to live in England... Does that mean i have legally have sex at 16 too? Duel Citizenship rules!

Nah, Local rules apply.

...Free will...

The ability to make ones own decisions through a processing variables and possible outcomes.

Do we as people have it? Do we as living beings have it?... And what makes it so, that only people have such freedoms... Do animals make decisions? Or do they follow only instinct...

All these questions...How many answeres are there?

Our spirits follow a single path, the one we set ourselves upon. Yes, free will is real. Our brain may be made up of atoms and what not, but it is inhabited by a powerful force. A spirit... Qi (or chi) is the force within us that grants us our powers to decide what is, and is not.

Remember; Atoms cannot tell someone to fight darkness, Atoms cannot tell darkness to come against light...

These are choices, we as people make...

to the one above me:

oh....
........my
............. god!

There is a difference between choice and ability. You can choose anything you want, as long as it obeys the laws of physics. You can choose to jump out of a plane and fly, you just wont be able to fly.

well every action has a reaction so it might be posible to predict the future if you know exactly how everything started and works

your "will" is basicly part of your mind. your mind is based on past experiences that you have had, so if someone knew everything that hapened to you before then they could (if they know how the mind works ) predict how you will react to something

At 4/14/07 04:44 PM, Ash-Darkmoon wrote:
Remember; Atoms cannot tell someone to fight darkness, Atoms cannot tell darkness to come against light...

Thank you Obi-Wan Kenobi. It's all clear to me now.

At 4/15/07 12:46 AM, Ravariel wrote:

At 4/14/07 04:44 PM, Ash-Darkmoon wrote:
Remember; Atoms cannot tell someone to fight darkness, Atoms cannot tell darkness to come against light...

Thank you Obi-Wan Kenobi. It's all clear to me now.

ROFL...Its alright my son, thats my job..

Free will is essentially one's ability to perform actions based on that same individual's thinking active brain, which does have certain laws attached to it which cant be changed.

More over it's a persons ability to be controled by their own thoughts and not dirrectly by the thoughts of others . [Aka, there's no such thing as mind control]

Influence however is another thing, influence is also assosiated with the thinking individuals brain, who receives information from somone else, interprets it in their own way based on the way that the brain things and works, and may or may not change the way that the brain things and thus changing the way that the brain works.

Free will could also be described as one's ability to temporarilly fight some of the automatic reactions of the body, examples including holding your breath, staring contests, and placing your hand on a hot stove for a long period of time, etc. etc.

But it seems that our brain is dictated by a set of some permenent and non permenent laws, for example, it could be part of the human program [hypathetically] that when a person says What is your favorite color, Your brain is programmed to automatically say orange. [it's not though, you can choose when to say those things] so when they asked, you would shout orange.

Non free will is like your brain is essentially programed to say orange and is fully aware of this, but for some reason whenever asked the same question, they say Blue.

That's my take on free will.

Some free will concepts can be overriden by certain brain overrides contious or otherwise. For example, it's your nature to argue, but if somone has a gun to your head your brain, knowing what a gun is and that it can indanger your life, will try to change what you do.