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Think about all the arabs that hate anyone from America or the west.

Arabs have a reason, america just hates them because they hate them. I believe bumcheekcity made tha point earlier.

At 5/12/03 05:49 PM, bumcheekcity wrote:

At 5/12/03 01:08 AM, kittie_cross wrote: Ok, listen up...

I have been quiet for far too long, sitting back and listening to all of you copmlain about something you know nothing about. I hate listening to everybody complaining about Bush starting this war over oil, or as a re-election spoof, or because he as no fucking idea what he's doing... etc etc... Let me ask one question before I go on my rant: would you rather see Gore get us through this? We'd all be wearing burkas and speaking Arabic by now if that cowardly fuck were in office!

if that cowardly fuck was in office I would like America a whole lot more than I do now, the Iraq war wouldn't have happened, and Americas now tattered diplomatic relations would be better.

Your all forgeting lieberman, the king of censorship. Would you like him as the vice?

Firstly, I couldn't give a shit about the Iraqi people, the Saudi Arabian, or the Afgani people.

Neither did Hitler, about the Jews. Connection here?

Well actually hitler did give a shit, he wanted to kill them all.

All you bleeding-hearts do is whine about our military harming the "innocent" people of the Middle East, and it's making me sick. You think they care about us?

They might if we didn't bomb their families

Think back 30 years before we ever did anything to them them.

Of couse not; we've all seen the pictures of the little Mid Eastern children running through the streets carrying burning flags and yelling "Death to America!" I swear, these people are like roaches; they're paracites... They hate us and they want to destroy us!

America imposed 10 years of sanctions and millions of people starved to death. What did you have fordinner today? If you had nothing, and you knew it was because America couldn't trade with anybody because Russia put sanctions on it, would you not like the Russians or what? I know I wouldn't.

Oh come one, Iraq barely spent any money on food before the sanctions. Besides, Iraq had the oil for food program and they didnt use it to the fullest so it's thier fault.

We need to stop them before they can do any more harm!

Sorry to use this again, but that was Hitlers view on gays. To stop terrorism yuou have to make friends with them. Osama attacks you because he hates you. If he liked you, where would that leave him? There probably wouldnt be any more Al-Quieda.

Bum, they hated us since we made Isreal a state, if we didnt make Isreal a state than they would be mad at us. We have to choose our enemies.

Or am I the only one that thinks this way (I guess the real question is 'Am I the only one here with Republican views?')

No. Please have a chat with NEMESiSZ. :P

Your all insane as far as I'm concerned.

Secondly, I don't think you people would be happy with any else in office right now, or they way they would have handled the situation.

Clinton would be good. He was cool. But thats just my personal opinion and you do have to remember i was 3 years old when he was elected. But he was sstill cool and a nutter, instead of just a nutter.

Clinton wasnt very good either, we havent had a good president in years.

You think Bush is an idiot, but he's a good man. You complain about the cost of the war, but let me ask you another question: if it came down to our freedom, don't you think it is worth the cost to fight for it by all means... money or no?

Oh, dont worry about the cost of the war! Oh, no, cost is no problem. The good ol' US of A made billions out of Oil Contracts, no need to worry about money! </sarcasm>

No, we actually lost billions, we pay the companies to rebuild Iraq, the only thing we gain is economy (so far).

Once again, am I the only one the sees this??? I admit that I do not like war either, but sometimes it is necessary (like preserving our freedom!). Don't you think that is something that's worth every damn penny??

Preserving our freedom? I haven't got time for that argument. Fired from Baghdad, not one of Saddams various missiles could have reached the borders of Iraq. Thats how pathetic his military was.

You know what she is talking about Bum, and it's taht attitude that let NK get the bomb.

You think I care about money? Money can be replaced. We anti-war people care about LIFE

Than how can you justify NOT going to war, espescially seeing as how saddam killed more of his own civilians that us DURING the war.

So there's my rant... I finally got it out. I know I'm pissing off a lot of people, and I'm mostly targeting you Democratic pigs. But hopefully I've opened some eyes for those of you who aren't stupid enough to believe tabloids and vicious rumors.

Hopefully I've opened your eyes even more to idiots who believe every single word of drivel that comes out of certain Presidents mouths.

Drivel? I like that word... It's all scripted anyways, dont think Bush has one independant thought in his head.

....whoa... did I make this topic? Err, sorry people, but I really don't remember doing this at all. I guess that's what happens when I'm drunk and have a bad day. I remember wanting to start a topic, but I don't know where all that other b.s. came from that I posted... Ack! Sorry! I think what I really wanted to say was "The war isn't about oil. It's about exterminating the terrorists," but I don't remember ever thinking all that other crap. ~shrugs~ Oh well, it's a topic now, and I've managed to piss off a lot of people with my drunken logic (or lack thereof). Sorry... but, heh, this does serve as a good way to see other people's opinions. Just look at the bright side. I think I'll stay away from the politics forum for a while, or at least I won't start any topics for a good couple of weeks. </apology>

no no no.... i was angry at u... u cant just blame it on alcohol and NOW who am i suppose to be angry at???

At 5/12/03 11:03 PM, kittie_cross wrote: ....whoa... did I make this topic? Err, sorry people, but I really don't remember doing this at all. I guess that's what happens when I'm drunk and have a bad day. I remember wanting to start a topic, but I don't know where all that other b.s. came from that I posted... Ack! Sorry! I think what I really wanted to say was "The war isn't about oil. It's about exterminating the terrorists," but I don't remember ever thinking all that other crap. ~shrugs~ Oh well, it's a topic now, and I've managed to piss off a lot of people with my drunken logic (or lack thereof). Sorry... but, heh, this does serve as a good way to see other people's opinions. Just look at the bright side. I think I'll stay away from the politics forum for a while, or at least I won't start any topics for a good couple of weeks. </apology>

Holy Jeebus, you're a lot more cohehent when you're sober. That was some drunken rant. I'm not half as productive when it comes to political writing when I'm drunk. I just go out and try to get laid.

It's a shame nitro couldn't be as lucid as you...

At 5/13/03 12:44 AM, PreacherJ wrote:

At 5/12/03 11:03 PM, kittie_cross wrote: ....whoa... did I make this topic? Err, sorry people, but I really don't remember doing this at all. I guess that's what happens when I'm drunk and have a bad day. I remember wanting to start a topic, but I don't know where all that other b.s. came from that I posted...

Holy Jeebus, you're a lot more cohehent when you're sober. That was some drunken rant. I'm not half as productive when it comes to political writing when I'm drunk. I just go out and try to get laid.

It's a shame nitro couldn't be as lucid as you...

hey preacher i dont drink but when i am in lucid states i do think about current affairs and society's deterioration im trying to see the world through all aspects im not thinking about(.)(.)'s and \|/.

At 5/12/03 04:11 PM, nitroxide wrote: as cristianity and catholism are basically the same just some small changes i am not staying true to the principle of anarchy, never did i say it would work. once the goverment falls i believe in humanity establishing order for all mankind but taking on that responsibility yourself not allowing intrusion from people that want to have more than others i say it myself that society is not ready for this but that is becuase we have been shaped into feeling inferior why does mankind hate himself preacher?could it not be from implanted thoughts to realizing the shit they live in.is drugdealing a game or a way for the poor to survive police are not out protecting your stereo they are policing a society with an iron fist of laws many of wich are shit and oppresive they are just puuting more people in the prison system so they can benefit from this the prison system is a profital organization as is drug dealing anarchy will work to bring the goverment down but not to establishing a peaceful society afterwards...humanity has been fed so many lies that every lie and truth is distorted anarchy is not the answer to the world problems...but it is the best way to expose the world problems to the people.

*Sigh*
Head... hurting... too... incoherent...

Ok, look-

Once the government falls, we won't all come together and hold hands, singing "Kumbaya." Regardless of whether or not it's the responsibility of the individual to the species, there are too many people concerned with nothing but their own survival to care about the species. The belief that humans won't degrade to their base instinct of self over all else is completely asinine, and naive, to boot.

You're right in the fact that the human race isn't ready for this, but your pedomorphic assumption that the Human Race will some day be able to accomplish this task and overcome this "feeling inferior" without the advent of mind-control or mass-propoganda (a la' Alduous Huxley), is fucking ridiculous.

You're right. Mankind doesn't hate itself, nor has it ever. Tell that to the 3 million Jews exterminated in WWII; tell that to all the murdered/displaced/enslaved Native American Indians; Tell that to a black man; or a gay man; or a woman, for that matter.

Hell, I'll even go so far as to say "Tell it to the POOR."

These people weren't hated, for the most part, upon the hating group living in a shitty situation (The Jews, however, were unfairly blamed for Germany's shitty situation, to which I will concede as an example of your skewed logic).

What are you talking about with the whole drug dealing thing? The fact it might be hard for a poor person to get legitimate work only supports my theory about how mankind hates itself. Yes, plenty of poor people resort to selling drugs to make ends meet because of the increased costs of living coupled with the difficulty to find work if one is poor to begin with. I know this. Just ask one of the several members of my family who have done time (my last name, sadly, is synonomus with "drug dealing" in the small town I originally come from. Thanks, Dad). But poor people being forced to sell drugs to make ends meet is a far cry from "being ruled with an iron fist of laws."

Courtesy of dictionary.com-

iron fist
n.
Rigorous or despotic control: as in "ruled the nation with an iron fist."

despotic

\Des*pot"ic\, Despotical \Des*pot"ic*al\, a. [Gr. ?: cf. F. despotique.] Having the character of, or pertaining to, a despot; absolute in power; possessing and abusing unlimited power; evincing despotism; tyrannical; arbitrary. -- Des*pot\"ic*al*ly, adv. -- Des*pot\"ic*al*ness, n.

The US is a tyrannical government, now, is it? Have you ever even talked to a police officer? Sure, everyplace has it's corrupt officers (more support of the human race hating itself on a personal level), but most police officers are generally good. Regardless of what you say, they are protecting my stereo. They are cutting down the amount of rapes, murders, and thefts. Even if this "iron fist of laws many of which are shit" combined to make a "benefit" from this "profital prison system," you still have a bunch of murderers, rapists, and thieves locked away in jail (where they can't steal my stereo), and that seems to me to be worth any benefit that would perhaps be entitled to me.

The bottom line is, that even if the cops benefit, I still feel safe knowing that there's a bunch of murderers and rapists in jail, due to this "iron fist of shitty laws."

So, you want to bring down the government with a drug dealing anarchy? To bring truth to the people? How will you do this? Everyone will all just get high after the collapse of the United States? There's no doubt in my mind that the US government has lied to us. Some of it was for our benefit, and some of it was for their own, I'm sure. But truth, well, truth is a powerful thing, not to be taken lightly. Wars are fought over the definition of what's "true". In fact, many people could and would argue that truth is relative. Just look at the crusades. Or any religious war, for that matter.

Fuck, just take a look at Sept. 11th! Those guys thought they were doing the right thing for chrissakes! Everyone in the US thinks they'll be burning in Hell, and do you know what? NOBODY REALLY KNOWS.

A person is smart. People are stupid. K- Men In Black
K brings this up to prove a point that the "truth" about alien life in MIB would only cause panic and dissent among the populace. This is an example of a constructive lie. As much as I hate being in the dark about things, there really are just too many stupid people in the world to unleash such truths. Just imagine what would happen if there were concrete proof God did not exist.

All you can do to bring "truth" to the people is carve out your own niche in society. Become a newscaster, and report on actual news, and not just the story about some guy rescuing a kitten from a tree, or Robert Downey Jr.'s new trip to rehab. Become a writer. Become a filmmaker. Don't become an anarchist, and don't bitch about the government if you aren't willing to back up your argument and do something other than getting stoned and saying "Yeah, man, the government sucks." Shit or get off the pot, because I'm fucking tired of hearing whiny bitches like you complain about one of the best places to live in the world.

Word. No, fuck that. Double Word.

preacher please dont qoute me wrongly i never said hey man the goverment sucks...i have backed up my ideas do not generalize me as a pot head anyone would look at me and never see that i do drugs yet i do daily and i am just as much of a slave as all man but i dont give up like you have you believe they lie to you yet you dont fight...i may do drugs but dont think i dont have a job i work in a company with great pay i dont lack anything i am independent i have lived and worked on my own since i was 16 i have a beautiful wife i am happy and healthy i have a great sex life and social life but it is sad that becuse the image that AMERICA has implanted in your head you think im just some hippy that talk like chong man you dont know me dont catagorize me or judge me i love all man and that is why i can believe that morals can become its own goverment but only after anarchy i dont expect the whole world to embrace and rejoice after the goverment falls i expect them to work together to establish utopia a heaven on earth...is this so bad what i want a life based on understanding following a principle of karma caring towards all man not america but worldwide.

The absence of laws would only work if we all embraced a standard code of personal ethics. We would need to define what constitutes an unethical act. There would have to be an effective, internal motivation to act respectfully towards one another. Spirituality could provide this incentive, but many people have become spiritually empty.an unethical act is anything done which results in predictable harm or manipulation of other people, when it's not necessary for immediate survival or self-protection.so what if there was proof that there is no god i see that proof everyday but ethics and morals are in every man even without god i dont believe in god yet i dont kill steal or hurt my fellow man my body is my temple let me do as i please with it.Our worst problems do not actually result from any particular political system. Unethical acts are performed around the globe in the name of environmental activism, patriotism, and righteous retaliation.

It's a shame that more people don't believe in karma, the automatic balancing function of the universe. According to karmic law, there is no possibility of any act going undetected. Automatic consequences are built into every human action or inaction. As long as its basic premise is accepted, karma could appeal even to the most logical among us.

At 5/12/03 06:11 PM, Kenney333 wrote: Freedom is not worth lives

Ohh YES it is!!!!!!

But again, our freedom is not the issue.

At 5/13/03 01:44 AM, PreacherJ wrote: Word. No, fuck that. Double Word.

TRIPLE WORD

PJ, that post was fucking beautiful.

At 5/13/03 02:17 AM, nitroxide wrote: preacher please dont qoute me wrongly i never said hey man the goverment sucks...

No, it's true. You didn't. But you did advocate bringing the government down, and said it was "ruled with an iron fist of laws most of which are shit." Sorry if I cut that down to "sucks."

:i have backed up my ideas do not generalize me as a pot head anyone would look at me and never see that i do drugs yet i do daily and i am just as much of a slave as all man but i dont give up like you have you believe they lie to you yet you dont fight...

I'll just let everyone read this post and take it at face value. You're right. I was wrong to generalize you as a pot head. It appears that I am completely off base in the assumption that drugs haven't altered your ability to, say, string together a simple sentence. I don't "fight" as you so asininely put it, because there's no NEED for me to "fight." I'm content with the job that they're doing, and I don't feel like a slave. Maybe the US government has just institutionalized me to the point where my slavery becomes my freedom. I'm one happy slave, then, if to be free I need to do what you're suggesting.

:i may do drugs but dont think i dont have a job i work in a company with great pay i dont lack anything i am independent i have lived and worked on my own since i was 16 i have a beautiful wife i am happy and healthy i have a great sex life and social life

This is totally off topic. I never said you weren't a productive member of society. Your wife and sex life have no relvance to this conversation at all. Good job in your triumph over adversity and in becoming normal despite your continued drug use.

:but it is sad that becuse the image that AMERICA has implanted in your head you think im just some hippy that talk like chong man you dont know me dont catagorize me or judge me i love all man

I wasn't really generalizing you as a hippie. You're doing a pretty good job of fulfilling that stereotype. You're ranting about the government implanting ideas in my head, advocating drug use, claiming I'm categorizing and judging you, and you claim to love everybody. If that isn't a hippie, the only thing I think that could complete the set is a VW van and a tie-dye shirt.

:and that is why i can believe that morals can become its own goverment but only after anarchy i dont expect the whole world to embrace and rejoice after the goverment falls i expect them to work together to establish utopia a heaven on earth...

Alright, after the government falls, you don't expect everyone to embrace and rejoice, but you DO expect them to work together to establish a Utopia. That's in-fucking-sane. What I've been trying to say is that people WON'T work together. They'll be reduced to the lowest common denominator- Themselves, and their families.

:is this so bad what i want a life based on understanding following a principle of karma caring towards all man not america but worldwide.

No, it isn't. I never said it was wrong. You misunderstood me. Again. It's a great idea, and concept. Very noble. Just painfully, painfully naive, and very unrealistic.

:The absence of laws would only work if we all embraced a standard code of personal ethics. We would need to define what constitutes an unethical act. There would have to be an effective, internal motivation to act respectfully towards one another. Spirituality could provide this incentive, but many people have become spiritually empty.an unethical act is anything done which results in predictable harm or manipulation of other people, when it's not necessary for immediate survival or self-protection.

You see, this is all well and good, but the thing is, NOT EVERYBODY WILL CONFORM TO YOUR HAPPY-GO-LUCKY "MORALS!" I've been trying to say that the Human race is entirely too selfish to give a rat's ass about moral structure. Rioting would ensue. A government would rise from the ashes.

:so what if there was proof that there is no god i see that proof everyday but ethics and morals are in every man even without god i dont believe in god yet i dont kill steal or hurt my fellow man my body is my temple let me do as i please with it.

*sigh*

This was merely an example of the repurcussions of a so-called "truth" becoming unveiled. Religion would collapse. I guarantee that would have a pretty big fucking impact upon the world in general.

:Our worst problems do not actually result from any particular political system. Unethical acts are performed around the globe in the name of environmental activism, patriotism, and righteous retaliation.

Well, then. Perhaps you should consider this fact before you go off calling the US an iron-fisted tyranny.

It's a shame that more people don't believe in karma, the automatic balancing function of the universe. According to karmic law, there is no possibility of any act going undetected. Automatic consequences are built into every human action or inaction. As long as its basic premise is accepted, karma could appeal even to the most logical among us.

Yes, it's true. And it is a shame. But by that same token I could say it's a shame N*Sync has a musical career, and I'm not married to a doublejointed supermaodel who owns her own brewery and has access to free concert tickets who loves me no matter what I do, even if it happens to be her hotter, younger sister. I'm done here. Think your arguments through and pick up an English book before you say anything to me about politics.

Word again. (To mop up any remaining vestiges of your logic).

At 5/13/03 03:40 AM, PreacherJ wrote: lots of really badass shit, totally shutting down a stupid argument without grammar or logic

I got to go ol' school on this one, and when I mean old school, I MEAN old school

logos

Thanks, FUNK.

At 5/12/03 06:53 PM, jimsween wrote: Your all forgeting lieberman, the king of censorship. Would you like him as the vice?

I'd prefer him to Bush.

Well actually hitler did give a shit, he wanted to kill them all.

He didn't give a shit about the Jews living. Probably badly worded by me.

Think back 30 years before we ever did anything to them them.

I am. And they liked or were indifferent to us. It's when we start pissing around with peoples lives that they hate us.

Oh come one, Iraq barely spent any money on food before the sanctions. Besides, Iraq had the oil for food program and they didnt use it to the fullest so it's thier fault.

The Oil for Food program? You know that was just for cheap oil as well as I do.

Bum, they hated us since we made Isreal a state, if we didnt make Isreal a state than they would be mad at us. We have to choose our enemies.

They? The Jews, I take it. We took land from people without their permission and gave it to another group of people. No matter how oppressed they are/were it didn't give us the moral right to do that and it doesn't give the Jews the moral right to behave like bastards now either.

Clinton wasnt very good either, we havent had a good president in years.

Clinton was brilliant. People liked him. People dont like Bush because he is a moron, quite simply. Clinton was very clever and a charming man, by all accounts. His foreign policy may have been crap but nobody hated you because of it because he always did things with a grin on his face and the bomb behind his back, instead of the bomb in front of him, ready to detonate like Bush.

No, we actually lost billions, we pay the companies to rebuild Iraq, the only thing we gain is economy (so far).

You're forgetting. A certain Western country is making BILLIONS from oil.

You know what she is talking about Bum, and it's taht attitude that let NK get the bomb.

Drivel? I like that word... It's all scripted anyways, dont think Bush has one independant thought in his head.

Even worse. I'd prefer personalised drivel. I'd also like the President of the most powerful country in the world to have at least one independant thought in his head, thankyou very much.

At 5/13/03 05:07 PM, bumcheekcity wrote:

At 5/12/03 06:53 PM, jimsween wrote: Your all forgeting lieberman, the king of censorship. Would you like him as the vice?

I'd prefer him to Bush.

Do you really even know who he is? I'm sure if he had the chance he would commit mass genocide since he is VEEEERRRYYY religious (in a way that thinks all religons but his are wrong).

Well actually hitler did give a shit, he wanted to kill them all.

He didn't give a shit about the Jews living. Probably badly worded by me.

Actually he did, he didnt want them to live so he did give a shit.

Think back 30 years before we ever did anything to them them.

I am. And they liked or were indifferent to us. It's when we start pissing around with peoples lives that they hate us.

No, they hated us for Isreal.

Oh come one, Iraq barely spent any money on food before the sanctions. Besides, Iraq had the oil for food program and they didnt use it to the fullest so it's thier fault.

The Oil for Food program? You know that was just for cheap oil as well as I do.

But it was food nonetheless, I thought you said it was our fault they were starving.

Bum, they hated us since we made Isreal a state, if we didnt make Isreal a state than they would be mad at us. We have to choose our enemies.

They? The Jews, I take it. We took land from people without their permission and gave it to another group of people. No matter how oppressed they are/were it didn't give us the moral right to do that and it doesn't give the Jews the moral right to behave like bastards now either.

We didnt take any land, the people who lived there didnt have to move, and how exactly could you justify taking the land from them now when that does exactly what you said is wrong above.

Clinton wasnt very good either, we havent had a good president in years.

Clinton was brilliant. People liked him. People dont like Bush because he is a moron, quite simply. Clinton was very clever and a charming man, by all accounts. His foreign policy may have been crap but nobody hated you because of it because he always did things with a grin on his face and the bomb behind his back, instead of the bomb in front of him, ready to detonate like Bush.

Nobody hated us but nobody took us seriously, I would rather be feared and hated than ignored and treated like a goof.

No, we actually lost billions, we pay the companies to rebuild Iraq, the only thing we gain is economy (so far).

You're forgetting. A certain Western country is making BILLIONS from oil.

No, they dont get the oil they rebuild the derreks and leave. The oil goes to Iraq (or the rebuilding of it).

You know what she is talking about Bum, and it's taht attitude that let NK get the bomb.

Drivel? I like that word... It's all scripted anyways, dont think Bush has one independant thought in his head.

Even worse. I'd prefer personalised drivel. I'd also like the President of the most powerful country in the world to have at least one independant thought in his head, thankyou very much.

Which is better, one man who controls the country or a group of men who control the man who controls the country?

does Liberman want to ban any violent Movies/tv shows/games?

At 5/13/03 07:18 PM, Jiperly wrote: does Liberman want to ban any violent Movies/tv shows/games?

all of them...

Dont forget ANY sex in the media.

Liberman- A shiny example of the politican blaming the Media for a violent and dangerous Society, rather than the parents.......