Immigration Policies in the US

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Here in the US, our immigration policies are crap. They contradict each other.

We started as a nation of immigrants back in the 1700s, when the whole country was immigrants. Did we do anything to immigrants back then? NO!

The next wave of immigrants came in the 1800s. Was life bad? Yes, but eventually they became a necessary part of our society and economy.

Now is another immigration thing. The Mexican immigrants cross the border into a country of immigrants. They are ARRESTED and KICKED OUT.

I have heard stories of Mexicans living in the US for over 20 years, and they were kicked out because they were not citizens.

Are we not a country of immigrants? We welcome immigration, but we make it so hard to get citizenship that nobody comes anymore.

The immigrants nowadays are doing grunt work, rather than the white collar jobs than many Americans do.

So, who here thinks that we should change these policies? I have an idea for a new policy.

Unregistered immigrants may live here as long as they wish unless they commit a crime of any sort. If what was aforementioned happens, they will be forcefully removed from the country. Registered immigrants without citizenship may live here as long as they wish and can obtain a record of citizenship after passing a series of simple tests on the fifth year of residence.

Like my idea? Any others?

It's not like any immigrants would like to come now though, seeing as Bush's conduct drove them away.

[Memorize]

One tiny difference.... It's the year two thousand fucking seven!.

[scorchin-hot]

At 4/4/07 10:19 PM, Memorize wrote: One tiny difference.... It's the year two thousand fucking seven

yeah but its still relevant.

[Proteas]

At 4/4/07 10:15 PM, navij11 wrote: Unregistered immigrants may live here as long as they wish unless they commit a crime of any sort.

Only if you can figure out a way we can tax the shit out of them.

If what was aforementioned happens, they will be forcefully removed from the country.

That would work if we just had something to keep them outside of the country... you know, like a fence.... with barbed wire and shit... and armed guards who actually ALLOWED to do their job.

Registered immigrants without citizenship may live here as long as they wish and can obtain a record of citizenship after passing a series of simple tests on the fifth year of residence.

That's more or less on the books already, though. I think you have to say here a minimum of 20 years with a clean record before you can legally become a citizen of this country.

[Memorize]

At 4/4/07 10:31 PM, scorchin-hot wrote:

yeah but its still relevant.

We fund things through taxes. Illegals pay no taxes. If we let everyone come into the country illegally, where are going to get that tax money?

[SEXY-FETUS]

Not really. We have more and more people and less and less community, because of that we've forced ourselves to require a certain level of registration of our people. Because of that we require registration of immigrants as well and through that we've built a system to keep a steady flow of immigrants that our economy can support and our economy can support them. The problem with illegal immigration is it ignores both of those requirments, so we have no documentation on them to know if we need to keep an eye on them and they also get screwed and usually get way lower pay then the work they do deserves. All that branches out into countless other problems with very little benefit to either side. As it stands our system for taking on immigrants is slow, but it insures protection for both parties and is getting faster every day.

[Joodah]

it's not immigrants that are the problem. legal immigrants are wonderful, as they add part of their culture and their ideas to america. illegal immigrants are the problem.

[cellardoor6]

At 4/4/07 10:15 PM, navij11 wrote:

Now is another immigration thing. The Mexican immigrants cross the border into a country of immigrants. They are ARRESTED and KICKED OUT.

That's because they are coming here by the tens of millions. About 1/6th of Mexicans live in the US. That's not immigration buddy, that's colonization.

They are invading and it is an act of secession. What is happening is not immigration and integration like what happened in the past by the Irish, or the Germans, or the Chinese etc...

I have heard stories of Mexicans living in the US for over 20 years, and they were kicked out because they were not citizens.

They broke the law. If they love this country so much and want to be Americans, then they need to quit disobeying our laws. If you come here illegally, you don't get to stay here, and you shouldn't get to.

Are we not a country of immigrants? We welcome immigration, but we make it so hard to get citizenship that nobody comes anymore.

We're a country of immigrants, yes. But we need to emphasize LEGAL immigration as opposed to the ILLEGAL immigration that is damaging our country. Illegal immigration is actually causing poverty to increase among LEGAL American citizens in the bottom class. Immigrants come here, they exploit social services, they receive medical care, education, and these things cost tax payers money. This money should go to AMERICANS, not Mexicans. This causes poverty among AMERICANS.

The illegal immigrants take in a whole lot of money in income, as well as social services, and instead of paying taxes to recontribute to this country and pay back to the system, they send the money back to Mexico tax free.

Illegal immigration is a plague to this country, and you think they really just want to become Americans and belong to this country? Hell no they don't.

The MAJORITY of Mexicans don't even consider the US to be OUR LAND. They consider it to belong to MEXICO.

So yeah. GOOD IDEA you have there. Lets just let tens of millions of people to invade our country and take over our society when they don't even respect our laws, our sovereignty, or our territory.

Why would we let people come to this country and live here and exploit our compassion and resources, all while they don't even consider it to be OUR country and they are doing more damage than they do good??

What you're suggesting is suicide, not mercy or decency.

Unregistered immigrants may live here as long as they wish unless they commit a crime of any sort.

Um the very fact that they entered our country IS A CRIME. Therefore 100% of "unregistered immigrants" (really ILLEGAL immigrants) should be kicked out according to you.

It's not like any immigrants would like to come now though, seeing as Bush's conduct drove them away.

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. More people apply for LEGAL US citizenship every year than for every other country in the world combined.

It just sucks that we have to lessen the amount of legal immigrants who DESERVE to come here, just so our system can handle the influx of MILLIONS of illegal unskilled, illiterate peasants from Mexico, Central America, and South America who come here to hijack our country rather than join our country.

[charly13243]

When an employer files for his yearly tax return, employee expenses are a big part of his claim. I say the IRS should step in. If the employer can't submit valid proof of the employees' legality, he will not only not receive his employee expense tax return, but maybe receive a fine. This would force all employers to make sure their employees are legal workers. Illegals don't get hired, illegals don't cross the border. That seems pretty fair to me.

I do realize the system is pretty hard when immigrants actually do want to receive legal citizenship and therefore the RIGHT to work in the US, but that's no reason to just quit arresting and deporting illegal immigrants who have absolutely no right to be here. I have no doubt that the system probably needs to be revised, but it shouldn't be five to twenty years before someone becomes a citizes just because they've been here that long.

[Dre-Man]

At 4/4/07 10:15 PM, navij11 wrote: Here in the US, our immigration policies are crap. They contradict each other.

We started as a nation of immigrants back in the 1700s, when the whole country was immigrants. Did we do anything to immigrants back then? NO!

The Indians sure as hell did, they fought tooth and nail to keep us out of their land, do we do that to the Mexicans? NO!

The next wave of immigrants came in the 1800s. Was life bad? Yes, but eventually they became a necessary part of our society and economy.

Did they enter the country illegally as did the mexicans? NO! Did they follow all of the laws and regulations that America had for immigration? YES! Do the mexicans follow all of the laws and regulations that America has for immigration? NO!

Now is another immigration thing. The Mexican immigrants cross the border into a country of immigrants. They are ARRESTED and KICKED OUT.

They are ILLEGAL immigrants, not just regular immigrants, but ILLEGAL immigrants. They can't speak english, they don't have the neccessary skills or education to lead a prosperous life, and they sure as hell don't deserve to leech off of American tax dollars just because Lopita can't get a job and wants to live off of welfare, even though she's an ILLEGAL immigrant. And therefore NOT a citizen of the United States of America.

I have heard stories of Mexicans living in the US for over 20 years, and they were kicked out because they were not citizens.

ILLEGALS. I-L-L-E-G-A-L-S. Not only should they be kicked out, but also put in prison, for commiting a crime against the United States, by illegally crossing the border into our country.

Are we not a country of immigrants? We welcome immigration, but we make it so hard to get citizenship that nobody comes anymore.

I'm not an immigrant. I was born here. Did you know that almost every European citizen that comes over to the United States is kicked out after their visa expires? Are they simply allowed ot immigrate into the United States without being naturalized? Hell no. Shouldn't they just be allowed to swim across the Rio Grande into the U.S. just like the Mexicans?

The immigrants nowadays are doing grunt work, rather than the white collar jobs than many Americans do.

Exactly, not only are they making the same amount of money here as in Mexico, but they're also leeching off of American tax dollars, and lowering the quality of living in the US. So remind me again why they're here?

So, who here thinks that we should change these policies? I have an idea for a new policy.

Unregistered immigrants may live here as long as they wish unless they commit a crime of any sort. If what was aforementioned happens, they will be forcefully removed from the country. Registered immigrants without citizenship may live here as long as they wish and can obtain a record of citizenship after passing a series of simple tests on the fifth year of residence.

By crossing the border without beeing registered, given a visa, or otherwise being naturalized, they have already commited a crime. Which is why they are ARRESTED and KICKED OUT.

Like my idea? Any others?

I think you don't know a flying shit about what the Mexicans do to wherever they're the majority. They turn it into their old quality of living! I live in El Paso, with an 80% majority of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS in the population. Guess what it's like here? It's the second poorest country in the United States. The quality of living sucks here. The houses are crap, the shops are crap, hell, Wal-Mart is the nicest store you can find in the whole damn city. Applebee's might as well be like dining in Paris.

Not only that, but almost every single fucking thing here is in spanish. If you can't speak spanish here, YOU'RE the freak, and YOU'RE the ass hole for not speaking their language to them even though they're in YOUR country. They come over here, ruin everything, make our cities and our states poorer, expect US To change to THEIR language even though it's THEM coming over HERE.

Why the fuck do you think we kick them out?

It's not like any immigrants would like to come now though, seeing as Bush's conduct drove them away.

What the fuck are you talking about? Bush supports your kind of policy more than anyone else.

Guess we should just piss away our immigration laws and allow everyone to come here whenever the fuck they feel like it, eh? That'll work out great, I bet.

You're an idiot.

[JoS]

Why would a company list hiring illegals on their taxes? The US needs to enforce the laws on the books and punish those who hire illegals. Under the Bush admin I believe there was only 1 employer punished for hiring illegals in his first term. Under Clinton there were many more.

Allow the INS to do its job. Have them go into workplaces to see who is hiring illegals and don't just give them a slap on the wrist, hit them with huge fines or even jail terms. If the jobs dry up fewer people will jump the border.

Start with the construction industry, then agriculuter.

[Leeloo-Minai]

Someone breaks into your house while you're on vacation. They clean and tidy it up. Once you get back from vacation, they demand payment for their service.

Are you obligated to pay them?

[Dre-Man]

At 4/5/07 12:44 PM, Leeloo-Minai wrote: Someone breaks into your house while you're on vacation. They clean and tidy it up. Once you get back from vacation, they demand payment for their service.

Are you obligated to pay them?

The only problem is that these "someone's" break into your house, steal everything, change everything the way they want it to be, turn it into a shithole, and THEN expect payment for their "services".

[Nav]

At 4/4/07 10:40 PM, Proteas wrote:

That's more or less on the books already, though. I think you have to say here a minimum of 20 years with a clean record before you can legally become a citizen of this country.

Well, we saw this movie in SS class about Japanese immigrants. It said that after 45 years of living here, they were still denied citizenship. 45 FREAKIN YEARS! That is pretty screwed up to me.

Also, if we use a plan I thought of for the running of the government, then the taxes they pay will barely be needed. Here it is:

Make the upper class pay a bunch of taxes. Make the lower class pay less taxes.

Bush has reversed this.

[zzzzd]

Every country is a country of immigrants. My country England, First Prehistoric man, then Celts, then Romans,Saxons,Angles,Vikings .Ect
It's the same as the English, Irish, german waves of immigrants America had. (Minus the invasions.)

But it comes a point when a country can't support any more immigrants. The US can't just let loads and loads of immigrants in, a certain number is benificial but eventually there won't be enough jobs and they start cloggin up the sytem.

[36Holla]

Im torn on this issue. I think that immigrants who are already in the country and are doing nothing but work should be left alone. On the other side, I dont want new illegal immigrants coming into the country.

If anything I think we should be focusing on ways to improve the Mexican economy and creating better jobs there, so they wouldnt be trying to come into the US.

[JakeHero]

At 4/5/07 12:38 PM, JoS wrote: Why would a company list hiring illegals on their taxes? The US needs to enforce the laws on the books and punish those who hire illegals. Under the Bush admin I believe there was only 1 employer punished for hiring illegals in his first term. Under Clinton there were many more.

Umm, the employers aren't the ones bringing the illegals over here, are they?

Allow the INS to do its job. Have them go into workplaces to see who is hiring illegals and don't just give them a slap on the wrist, hit them with huge fines or even jail terms. If the jobs dry up fewer people will jump the border.

It's a funny straight of the leftwing to identify the problem and attack the wrong source.
"Illegals coming here? We can't allow this! Arrest anyone who ahires illegals and leave the illegals alone."

Start with the construction industry, then agriculuter.

Perhaps you'll have room to talk when Mexico attempts to takeover and colonize your nation.

[Memorize]

At 4/5/07 04:16 PM, navij11 wrote:

Well, we saw this movie in SS class about Japanese immigrants. It said that after 45 years of living here, they were still denied citizenship. 45 FREAKIN YEARS! That is pretty screwed up to me.

So you're now saying any illegal should be capable of becoming a citizen in a couple of months?

Sounds pretty screwed up to me.

Make the upper class pay a bunch of taxes. Make the lower class pay less taxes.

Bush has reversed this.

And you, are a moron. For the poor are not paying more taxes. And you would realize this if you actually looked into his economic policy which gives tax cuts to every class.

[Nav]

At 4/5/07 10:58 PM, Memorize wrote:
So you're now saying any illegal should be capable of becoming a citizen in a couple of months?

No, those Japanese immigrants were registered and legal.

Sounds pretty screwed up to me.

It would be.

And you, are a moron. For the poor are not paying more taxes. And you would realize this if you actually looked into his economic policy which gives tax cuts to every class.

He should NOT be cutting taxes for the upper class. They actually have more money to give. They should be giving to charity, which results in a tax deduction, but those stingy bastards should support the government with their 500 million dollars.

[Dre-Man]

At 4/5/07 04:16 PM, navij11 wrote:

At 4/4/07 10:40 PM, Proteas wrote:

That's more or less on the books already, though. I think you have to say here a minimum of 20 years with a clean record before you can legally become a citizen of this country.

Well, we saw this movie in SS class about Japanese immigrants. It said that after 45 years of living here, they were still denied citizenship. 45 FREAKIN YEARS! That is pretty screwed up to me.

A little analogy, if you would indulge me. If I shot somebody in the head 45 FREAKIN YEARS ago, would it be wrong if I was given the chair if they found out about it today?

[troubles1]

At 4/4/07 10:15 PM, navij11 wrote:

Sure here is a few Ideas to protect our country.

# Build the wall, electrify it if necessary
# Fine and jail every employer who hires illegal aliens
# No in-state tuition for illegals
# Illegal aliens attempting to vote in any Federal, State or Local election shall be imprisioned for 10 years in our tent-city jails and put to work in the fields, followed by deportation
# No more anchor babies for illegals - no automatic citizenship
# No visa increases for importing cheap foreign labor
# No government funded multilingual programs for anyone - legal or illegal
# No health care for illegals unless it is a true emergency
# Remaining health care costs for illegals shall be billed to their home country
# No food stamps for illegals
# Eliminate all multicultural programs in government funded schools
# No amnesty for illegals
# No taxpayer funded K-12 education for illegals
# Outlaw the display of foreign flags except at embassies and consulates
# No drivers licenses for illegals
# Add a 50% tax all on all money sent to home countries by illegals
# No bank accounts or credit cards for illegals
# No guest-worker scams for illegals
# No home mortgages for illegals
# Add a 50% tax on transfers by money laundering companies like Western Union
# Force all Mexican consulates to shut down in every state.
# Eliminate tax-exempt status for radical hate groups like LULAC, MEChA, etc.
# Authorize all local police to enforce federal immigration laws
# Demand full cooperation from foreign countries
# If they don’t comply, cut off all foreign aid
# Repeal anti-American trade pacts like NAFTA, CAFTA
# Replace every traitor in government with America First patriots
# Always put the interest of America and Americans first - if our government won’t do it, who will?
# And more…

[troubles1]

At 4/6/07 12:52 AM, troubles1 wrote:

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[JoS]

At 4/5/07 09:02 PM, JakeHero wrote: Umm, the employers aren't the ones bringing the illegals over here, are they?

No, but they knowingly hire people who are illegally in the country. That violates US law. But why shoud employers get off scott free when they break the law.

It's a funny straight of the leftwing to identify the problem and attack the wrong source.
"Illegals coming here? We can't allow this! Arrest anyone who ahires illegals and leave the illegals alone."

Okay, first off I am not leftwing. I also never said to leave illegals alone. I love how you accuse me of things I never said. I think people who are in the country illegally should be removed, whether it be 4 days or 4 decades they have been here (or perhaps some sort of process in which they can apply for a green card for being here 40 years, not citizenship, but legal status for the latter).

Perhaps you'll have room to talk when Mexico attempts to takeover and colonize your nation.

See this is the problem with they way the Department of Homeland Secuirty approaches this issue. They are simply militarizing the border, bigger fences and more guns, which do not get me wrong is neccisary, but alone it will not solve the problem, or even close to it. Why do they come here? For jobs. Take away the jobs and they is less incentive to come. It will dramatically decrease the number of people coming across, and decrease the amount of risk they are willing to take. Think of it like the lottery, the bigger the jackpot the more likely you are to play and the more money you would be willing to pay.

Why do you think we should not tackle the issue of hiring illegals? These businesses are breaking the law.

[Memorize]

At 4/6/07 01:04 AM, JoS wrote:

No, but they knowingly hire people who are illegally in the country. That violates US law. But why shoud employers get off scott free when they break the law.

Why should the illegals be capable of suing the company that fired them after finding out they were illegals?

Dun dun duuuuun

[Dre-Man]

troubles1, I love you. I'm nominating you for President!

[JoS]

At 4/6/07 01:27 AM, Memorize wrote:

At 4/6/07 01:04 AM, JoS wrote:

No, but they knowingly hire people who are illegally in the country. That violates US law. But why shoud employers get off scott free when they break the law.

Why should the illegals be capable of suing the company that fired them after finding out they were illegals?

Dun dun duuuuun

When did I ever say the employee's get to sue the company. I am pretty sure I specifically said fines or even jail terms for people who knowingly or shoudl know they are hiring illegals. Please show me where I said they could sue their employers.

Why is everyone distoring what i say in this thread?

[godsman11]

At 4/4/07 10:15 PM, navij11 wrote:
Now is another immigration thing. The Mexican immigrants cross the border into a country of immigrants. They are ARRESTED and KICKED OUT.

I have heard stories of Mexicans living in the US for over 20 years, and they were kicked out because they were not citizens.

i 4 1 am completly 4 kikin those ilegals out. NOTE: wat comes next is only aimed at the damn ilegsls no one else should care!!!!!!
if there are any wetbacks redin this get ur ass back in the river go back to mexico become legal here and learn som damn english or because u can read this begin speakin it when around true americans. once legal here im perfectly ok with. and all this is camin from a 13 year old.

[sparksme321]

What i dont understand is why do mexicans come to America and commit more crimes? They should be happy that they are not in mexico. But they come to America and think they can walk all over the Americans. Mexicans are always causing trouble with drugs and gang violence.

mexican kids go to American schools and are aloud to speak spanish! i could not believe that. School is not the time to speak spanish. Schools offer ESL to spanish kids to learn english but why do they offer spanish to americans? We shouldnt have to learn a language just for illegals!

[Elfer]

At 4/4/07 10:40 PM, Proteas wrote:

At 4/4/07 10:15 PM, navij11 wrote: Unregistered immigrants may live here as long as they wish unless they commit a crime of any sort.

Only if you can figure out a way we can tax the shit out of them.

Although a good point you have there, it sure goes against the idea that no illegal immigrants pay any taxes, eh?

[sparksme321]

yea your right about that