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Im coining this phrase: "Those who cant animate, sprite animate."

At 4/3/07 10:05 PM, SensuClock wrote: LGHK

Im coining this phrase: "Those who cant animate, sprite animate."

"Those who can't animate, animate sprites." I'll quote you in my profile XD

At 4/3/07 09:57 PM, Snubby wrote: What's the different between ripping sprites from google

Who in the hell gets their sprites from google? Unlike most faggots, I actually rip my own sprites, and google? What the hell? I've never heard of anyone ripping sprites from google.

I've also never heard of sprites being animated GIFs.

Is there some OTHER way of getting sprites that I'm unaware of?

I do not hate the genre called "sprite movies", as one can always find good things in the most unlikely places.
What I hate are animations that show NO ingenuity, plot, cohesion, talent, taste, and/or quality of any kind, whether it be sprite animation, fbf, tween, claymation, cut-out, or any other form of animation out there.

People hate sprite movies because it's an easy target, simple as that.

However, trying to vindicate your sprite animations by saying, "it's hard work! I spent HOURS on Google, gimme a break!!" is truly pathetic. Lots of things take hard work in life, but it doesn't neccesarily mean it's for the greater good.

I have tried the sprite animation method, but instead of using game sprites, I had cut out pieces of construction paper, positioned them on a scanner, and made jpegs. It was used for 5 seconds of animation, and its primary purpose was to teach my brother how to motion tween. It took less than 2 hours to make. Quite simple compared to fbf, very simple compared to quality claymation, etc.

Essentially, it doesn't matter what animation style you have, or what method you use, hard work is only part of the equation when aiming for a good animation.

I actually prefere sprite videos more than animated ones.
I am currently makin a sprite video myself and I now understand how much work it takes to cut out sprites and make them into clips and etc.

I am also doin work for some collabs. Making hand animated videos takes a lot more hard work than sprite animations. For any person who makes a hand drawn animation w/o sprites earns my respect.

As for sprites, people deserve the props as well, any kind of animation with someone's hard work and determination deserves my respect.

To spritelovers:
Sprite movies are easier than frame by frame! Frame by frame animators make there own sprites/animation, we dont. Believe me its very hard to make frame by frame!

To spritehaters:
Its not alright if I put hard work into my sprite movie?

I feel this is appropriate for this topic:

http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mari oteaxz7.swf

At 4/4/07 02:11 AM, Dugh wrote: To spritehaters:
Its not alright if I put hard work into my sprite movie?

Thats fine if you work hard and get satisfaction from them.
But dont claim they are hard to create and deserve all the fanboy praise they get.

First of all, different people have different strengths and weaknesses. You may think it's hard to make a sprite movie, but think it's incredibly easy to make an FBF one. It's all different for different people. So for anyone who says "Sprite movies are easy" or "Sprite movies are hard" just shut it. Thats your opinion, you can voice it, but don't try and convince someone else, neither of you will win.

Secondly, in my opinion, if you take the sprites off the internet, you aren't drawing the characters, you are stealing someone else's. But if you make your own sprites, (which I have tried, and it is a bit difficult), then thats great. But stealing someone else's sprites is just like if i was to steal Adam Phillips' animation, and dissect it into little characters to animate.

There's my little sorta rant thing.

i animate sprites, not because i cant draw, i can draw REALLY well, spriting is just a hobby, (just for fun)
i love videogames, and i like to entertain the people who LIKE sprite movies, and i like making them

90% of the sprites movies on NG suck, tahts true LOL
BUT, 90% of the drawn movies suck ass too

some drawings in here yoshi1up.sheezyart.com

w/e, its your guys' opinion :-)

fuck sprite movies (most of them) SKEET LOL

True that. I hate MOST sprite movies too, and i hate MOST drawn movies too!

K

Now, I believe sprite movies are easier to make, in general, but for me I was always to frustrated with limitations of sprites, as those who don't make custom sprites, just have a certain pallete of movements and perspectives. Those who can make movies (that are of any enoyability) with only 12 different movements per character, definetly have somehitng going.

But I actually don't consider sprite animation animation, rather "film editing" or "film making" which to be proffecient at requires a different set of skill then animation. Those who make sprite movies can go about their business, and I'll continue t ovote on how much fun I had watching it, but saying your an animator, is a false statement. Your a film editor (you could stretch it to maker, but your not directing the actions so editor suits better)

And overall sprite movies take less time and energy to make, but southpark takes less time and energy to make than the lion king 1.5, and what got more attention? Something doesn't need to require alot of time and energy to be good.

sprite movies are easy to make if u dont put effort into it
drawn movies are easy to make if u dont put effort into it

silly rant topic :\

heres are the haters in NG:
Sprite
Clock/Glock/Lock etc
Stick
Foamy
Piconjo
Jerry Jackson
Mario
Anime
Hentai
NG(LOL)

LETS JUST MAKE A TOPIC ABOUT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE HUH?

dur

Just to clear this up.
I dont refer to sprites as pixels.
I refer to sprites animation frames/stills used in video games.

When you say make your own sprites.
That doesnt mean pixel, that would technically mean game animations.

I have nothing against pixel animation.
In fact i absolutley love it. i thinks its fantastic.

but its stealing someone elses graphics that gets me annoyed.

What about voxels (C&C games etc.)

Voxels aren't lazy shit, it takes hours to collect about 20 voxel sprites using XCC, and you can't get them anywhere else. Seriously, it took me 5 days to animate one scene using voxels

Spending a week looking on google or whatever for some fucking characters that you didnt draw yourself does not mean that you have put effort into producing any kind of movie. It means that you have gone out of your way and tried harder to rip off someone other guys hard work into an original character.
Draw your own fucking characters and animate properly.

So... You guys are saying, if it's drawn then it deserves praise no matter what? And if it's sprites, then it should get no praise and be deleted?

Well, I have to disagree with that. I've some really crappy drawn movies. Does that mean they deserve praise because it's drawn? Not by me.

I've seen some really good sprite movies. Does that mean they deserve no praise because it's sprites? Hell no.

You can't judge a movie by how the graphics were made. You judge it by how much effort and time was put into it to make it perfect. If a flash movie, whether it was made with sprites or hand drawn, has a good plaot and keeps you entertained, it deserves to be praised.

At 4/4/07 09:59 AM, chillyphilly wrote: Spending a week looking on google or whatever for some fucking characters that you didnt draw yourself does not mean that you have put effort into producing any kind of movie. It means that you have gone out of your way and tried harder to rip off someone other guys hard work into an original character.
Draw your own fucking characters and animate properly.

Sprites are there for you to use. That's why there are websites like the Spriters Resource and the ShyGuy Kingdom. They have Collabs of sprites for people to use to make sprite movies. And therefore it's not stealling if they allow you to use them and you give them credit.

At 4/4/07 10:06 AM, MasterSage01 wrote:

Sprites are there for you to use. That's why there are websites like the Spriters Resource and the ShyGuy Kingdom. They have Collabs of sprites for people to use to make sprite movies. And therefore it's not stealling if they allow you to use them and you give them credit.

Maybe if you actually read my post properly i didnt say anything about stealing. My point is it may not be stealing but if youd rather use someone elses drawings becuase you're too shit or too fucking lazy to draw them yourself then you shouldnt have flash at all. And gay 13 year old kids should realise that good movies have effort that was put into it right from the very start of a blank stage with their own fucking created characters.

Sprite movies do have effort put into them all the way from the start of a blank page. You should know that the effort doesn't come from the drawing. It comes from how you express the plot. Let's you have a hand drawn movie with really good graphics but is 5 minutes of shitty plot, and a sprite movie that was not drawn and ripped off of the internet but is 5 minutes of extremely well, thought-out, and entertaining plot. Which one do you think took more effort? I say the sprite movie.

I think Mastersage have right..
If you working hard on a flash, it disurve to get a high score! Its doesn´t matter if it a sprite or frame by frame movie!

At 4/4/07 11:27 AM, Dugh wrote: I think Mastersage have right..
If you working hard on a flash, it disurve to get a high score! Its doesn´t matter if it a sprite or frame by frame movie!

yeah.

its just for entertainment! i mean, i already know im not gonna get a lot of money off of any of this LOL, its just fun for me and the fans of it

and everyday in the portal i usually see atleast 7 good drawn movies, i rarely see any good sprite movies, maybe once every 3 days

I like to play around with sprites but I don't put any on newgrounds. I do ask some of my sprite making friend though who make their own for certain characters like they draw their own versions of mario or some one like that and they let me use them and it makes it less crappy.

"Lol, Sprite movies automatically have no effort put into them at all because they suck lolol and they steal sprites from google, because god knows that's where everyone magically get's their sprites!"

I rip my sprites from the game myself. Does that mean I put more effort? Yes. Does that mean I deserve more praise? No. I make customs nowadays for my sprites. Does that mean I put in effort? Yes. Do I automatically deserve more praise? No.

I make sprite movies not because I can't draw, lip sync or animate (in fact I've proven I could on numerous occasions) but because I find it comfortable to work with characters I used to control every night playing video games.

There are so many points I want to get across in this post that I don't even want to bother.

Just think what you want, but don't automatically vote zero just because it's sprites. I don't automatically vote zero on a game that uses the same graphics as a previous version, or a certain genre of game I don't like, or even a preference for animation style. If I think it sucks, I vote 0. If I think some effort was put into it and it either looks clean, makes me laugh, or is done well I vote higher.

Whatever, this topic is getting annoying. Why not make a topic like "Why does everyone hate locks" or "Why does everyone hate glocks" or any other kind of -ock, or even a TREND of animation.

Saying all sprite movies suck is like saying "All tweens suck" or "All FBF is crap"... it just doesn't stay the same level over the whole 'population' at all, they're all different. Granted, the MAJORITY of sprite flashes suck balls, but so do the MAJORITY of drawn animations. Seriously, take a look in the portal, right now. I guarantee that you will find more than one drawn animation that sucks, "proper" or not.

It's stealing others, sometimes copyrighted, work.

At 4/4/07 10:48 AM, MasterSage01 wrote: s 5 minutes of extremely well, thought-out, and entertaining plot.

There are no sprite movies that contain this.

Sprite movies are divided into 2 categories:

1) Mario does stupid shit (farting, eating bombs, SOOPER MARIO PARONDIES)

2) (video game character A) murders (Videogame character B) thus causing (videogamecharacter C) to go on a long talk-filled journey to get revenge on (video game character A). Extra points for ripping diologue off of an anime.

At 4/4/07 02:54 PM, ZekeySpaceyLizard wrote: There are no sprite movies that contain this.

Yeah there are. I've seen lots of them. The Rise of the Mushroom Kingdom, Super Mario Bros. Z, Four Swords Misadventures, Final Fantasy Sonic X, etc.

Sprite movies are divided into 2 categories:

1) Mario does stupid shit (farting, eating bombs, SOOPER MARIO PARONDIES)

Those are the ones I don't watch.

2) (video game character A) murders (Videogame character B) thus causing (videogamecharacter C) to go on a long talk-filled journey to get revenge on (video game character A). Extra points for ripping diologue off of an anime.

I've never seen any of these on Newgrounds.

And there's a third category. That's the category where the movies stated above fall in. The well thought-out sprite movies.

I will always stand by that there are a lot of good sprite movies, but the sprite section gets hated becuase of the 90% of crap sprite movies.

Lets be real for a minute, Stick movies are hated becuase it's not real drawing, but there are some really awesome stick fight movies that get praise. With sprite movies it's the exact same thing. No mater what you do there will be haters, but a really well done sprite movie is much better than a poorly drawn movie.

Now 100% custom sprites, I'm getting into the habit of that. It destroys almost all of the reason to hate sprite movies. It's your original work and you're not stealing it from anyone. Yet they still get the usual 'BOO OMG SPRITES SUX', just becuase it's sprites. You put a lot of work into it? Don't give a shit. No Sticks No Sprites No Blam.

If you guys can actually come to a conclusion for this I'd be surpised.

At 4/4/07 02:54 PM, ZekeySpaceyLizard wrote: (video game character A) murders (Videogame character B) thus causing (videogamecharacter C) to go on a long talk-filled journey to get revenge on (video game character A). Extra points for ripping diologue off of an anime.

OMG WUT WHO TOLD YOU MY NEXT PLOT? >:(

At 4/4/07 04:16 PM, Psycosis91 wrote: Now 100% custom sprites, I'm getting into the habit of that. It destroys almost all of the reason to hate sprite movies. It's your original work and you're not stealing it from anyone. Yet they still get the usual 'BOO OMG SPRITES SUX', just becuase it's sprites. You put a lot of work into it? Don't give a shit. No Sticks No Sprites No Blam.

i think that would be the hordes of noobs that now think they are cool by hating sprites, when in fact they are missing the whole point.

I think we should stop writing in this topic. There will always be haters and lovers! We cant change that. Stop write back.