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At 5/20/03 11:38 AM, D2KVirus wrote: Quite possibly because that wasn't the point of me posting the link. Want to try again, just to try and understand the reason I posted it?

You said innacuracies, and since I didnt have any innacuracies I assumed you meant spelling mistakes. Of course they would seem like innacuracies to you since you have no concept of you ever being wrong.

I don't care about spelling, grammar or typos, hence the fact I haven't bagged anybody else about them, just as I don't care about their User Level. Go research.

I wasnt baggin popenfresh, all I said is he should work on his spelling. You were just out looking for a flame war and blew it way out of proportion.

And you can't get American stations in Canada? Aerials have a long transmission wavelength, and they don't just stop dead at borders. People in Holland watch BBC programming, for example. And my point that they have websites still stands (especially since you didn't even try and kick it down), and several non-station websites run TV feed. Add to this the fact there are syndicated news channels, since not all of them can be in the right place at the right time to broadcast, it is common enough for one network to broadcast reports of another.

First, theres no such thing as an american website so your point doesnt stand, and even if there were it would just make you more wrong because I know for sure that not every website is propaganda fileld. And second, since he lives in quebec I assumed that thier television didnt have programming that doesnt speak english. And you still are missing my point, it wasnt that there was no American media in Canada, it was that since he lives in Canada he couldnt possibly be able to access all the American news stations.

Ask all the people that have over the past week. There are a few.

And that makes tons of sense because automatically since I'm pro war I'm a dumbass republican, your just making youself seem more ignorant and more ignorant.

Funny, you don't act it. That covers both comments.

Name 3 issues I'm republican on? I doubt you can even name one.

And I contradict myself? You even stated that in your previous post.

Being a N00b has nothing to do with how long you have been here, and is much different from a newbie.

When they're intent on living up to it, and proving them right, yes it is.

After all, you have to look at some of the posters on this board, they are perfect american stereotypes, "shortened in order to not exceed the limit".

How many Americans do you really know? For all you know they could be Canadians posing as Americans. And yet again you stereotype, thats liek saying because a few muslims suicide bomb that they are all evil. And you cannot claim it is not becuase that is EXACTLY what you said except it was Americans instead of muslims and ranting instead of suicide bombing.

And I've been to several parts of the US in my time - New York lived up to the image, South Carolina did (they still had Black/White churches), Florida didn't even have an American in it to stereotype from, and so on for Arizona, Utah, Massachussetts, Nevada and Georgia. California is your saving grace.

Claiming to have gone to laces still proves nothing, For all I know you could have made them up and by your "facts" it seems you did.

And if that wasn't flaming, what is?

Thats why this is a flame war you dummy.

You're still trying to act all innocent, Sween, despite having a huge mass of evidence piled against you, so stop the little lamb act, OK? It isn't doing you any favours.

Where is this evidence? Overused stereotypes and things America did 50 years ago?

Ever think I was joking?

When you made up stuff about America or when you went into the best fo the week thread?

And going all out saying "you're an idiot", rather than stating facts as to why these statements about "your" country (not that it belongs to 345m of you or anything) is flaming. Do any statistics, news reports, historical documents, resources of any kind back you up as you maturely present the case for "your" nation? No, you say that their spelling is bad. Does this need to be made any clearer?

Ok I'll turn to CNN right now and wait for the first thing to come on about the war.... Ok some guy is mocking the color code system, paul begala is talking about how bush doesnt know what he is doing with homeland security and that the democrats had a homeland security bill before 9/11 but the republicans shot it down, now they just said stuff about mad cow disease in canada, and now female golfers, quincy jones, we raised to code orange, just said suicide bombings may be a lashback from the war in Iraq, saying that they might attack on memorial weekend.

Ther wasnt much about Iraq in there but for news thats completely controlled by the government and never says anything bad about the country it seems odd they would allow people to talk bad about bush and the republicans and expose weaknesses in the US's security.

Shit, did I apply to begin with? I don't remember that!!!

I dont know if you applied but you sure wouldnt get in.

Why would I want to be a member of a collective that considers themselves to be "political", when their roster contains yourself, implodinggoat, and other flamers that think they're doing good, since their reality button malfunctioned? You don't have to be a member to have an opinion about politics. Thinking about it, that would be an added bonus.

So now anyone that disagree's with you is a flamer? And they seems to do alot less flaming than you.

Think of that one when you castigate the French for being chickenshits, Arabs for all being terrorists, and Mexicans for being dirty and/or lazy. Stereotypes, much as they simplify situations, have a grounding in fact. And, by the way, nice little point, try and get somebody that cares about your little crusade thinking I'm like Hitler. Isn't polarising opinion such an American thing to do?

I have no problem with people saying Americans are fat and lazy, but dont expect me to not say anything, just as you stand up for Canada when AmericanBAdass makes fun of it and just as a Frech man would if someone called french chickens. And making a whole topic about it is even worse, espscially when you are just making up stuff.

At 5/20/03 01:47 PM, el_foka wrote: No no, D2k. As a jouranlist, I'm incredibly curious as to your views of your area of intrest.

To get right to the very kernal of the subject, finding truly objective journalism is the most difficult thing of all.

We have NewsCorp pushing Murdoch's agenda; the only man that can politically Glory Seek - he was Pro Tory for over a decade, then suddenly switched to Blairism (not that he was romping home in the polls), then wanted to go back Topry, but didn't want to support William Hague, and the same for IDS. Even the sports coverage in Murdoch papers is biased, as he owns 11% of Manchester United, and it's a regular occurance how much editing goes on for match highlights - specifically anything that makes them look like a bunch of cheating, fouling, diving bastards. Which is on average 40 minutes per game.

Yet even the liberal media pushes an agenda. I've seen Undercurrents (a must for Anti-capitalists to pore and get irate over), and it is so biased the other way, and dictates an agenda that is just as ficticious. or just explains the bleeding obvious and expects us to react with surprise ("what, you mean Multinational corporations run everything?")

Don't use one main source for news; find several (I use a news tracker, with several sources from numerous agencies around the world, from BBC, to CNN, to al-Jazeera, to ones you haven't heard of), and that gives an overall situation, and from there you get to the heart of the matter. Or, just strip away the bullshit. As I said yesterday, not one British paper ran with the Norwegian prime minister filing a complaint against Blair about the Sellafield nuclear plant, and I only heard about it from the Around The World section of Ceefax. It was presented on the BBC, but was it in the news section? No, apparently the dwindling bumblebee population is more important than the fact Blair is risking the health of us and Norwegians with radioactive emissions.
(So far, the best solution to this was by Thatcher: Instead of being the Windscale plant, she changed the name to Sellafield and hoped it would go away. Truth.)

Find the discourse that is held, then question the reasons for it, and problems in upkeeping it in the face of mounting evidence.

Which reminds me; last night, ITN reported on the "forgotten war" in the Democratic Republic of Congo. How do you forget about a fucking war?!? Why not have the caption "Well, the US weren't bombing the place, and we got bored with SARS coverage, we dictated the Millionaire fraudster was guilty, what now? Oh, a war!"

Galtung and Ruge nailed it on the head.

At 5/20/03 05:22 PM, jimsween wrote:
You said innacuracies, and since I didnt have any innacuracies I assumed you meant spelling mistakes. Of course they would seem like innacuracies to you since you have no concept of you ever being wrong.

What, I imagined you calling me, and I quote, "Pro Islamic State", as well as stating that I believe all Arabs are "Potential Terrorist Scum"?

Those aren't innaccuracies...

I wasnt baggin popenfresh, all I said is he should work on his spelling. You were just out looking for a flame war and blew it way out of proportion.

Not that you repeatedly do so. Why not learn to read better? It't the same argument: You obviously need to work on your literacy. See, pointless, annoying, and not welcome.

First, theres no such thing as an american website so your point doesnt stand, and even if there were it would just make you more wrong because I know for sure that not every website is propaganda fileld. And second, since he lives in quebec I assumed that thier television didnt have programming that doesnt speak english. And you still are missing my point, it wasnt that there was no American media in Canada, it was that since he lives in Canada he couldnt possibly be able to access all the American news stations.

So, CNN, NBC, CBS et al don't have websites? FUCK!!! What have I been sourcing?!? I even put it in B&W - websites roll newsfeed. I've used websites for essays with archived news footage, be it the No WTO riots, Gulf War II, or just the World Cup.

Besides, there is:

http://www.america.com

Welcome to Postmodernism: everything's just an image, reproduced ad nauseum for your consumption, intended or otherwise.

And that makes tons of sense because automatically since I'm pro war I'm a dumbass republican, your just making youself seem more ignorant and more ignorant.

Take the word "Republican" out...

Name 3 issues I'm republican on? I doubt you can even name one.

Well, since you just handed me the Pro War sentiments, there we go. Then there's you entries in the "Afghanistan" thread, which makes two (and also another bout of childish comments, thank you). I don't have the time or tolerence to scoot through every post you ver made. Still, at least you weren't being all Christian Fundamentalist in the "Suicide" thread.

By the way, do you think drugs should be legalised? You missed that one, so I'm using it as a tie breaker.

Being a N00b has nothing to do with how long you have been here, and is much different from a newbie.

And I care either way.

How many Americans do you really know? For all you know they could be Canadians posing as Americans. And yet again you stereotype, thats liek saying because a few muslims suicide bomb that they are all evil. And you cannot claim it is not becuase that is EXACTLY what you said except it was Americans instead of muslims and ranting instead of suicide bombing.

Plenty.

And why in the name of FUCK would a Canadian pose as an American? Doesn't national pride hold any meaning for you? Well, you seem intent on dying protecting your country...on message boards, but don't you think there are canadians that think the same? And French? Etc.

It's one thing for all the 14 year old townies running around trying to mimick American culture at the moment, but that's a phase, and eventually they might realise what country they live in, and grow out of it. If not, can you keep thm in West Texas somewhere, please?

Interesting stereotype, though: To be more appreciated, Canadians pose as Americans. Because people LOVE Americans, especially me. Obviously. Commander...

And it isn't just Muslims that suicide bomb. Catholics have, Protestants have, I'm sure Agnostics, Athiests, and people that managed to forget what religion is have.

And work out the parts when I'm being sarcastic, it tends to work out better when you reply that you aren't going OTT about an off the cuff remark.

Claiming to have gone to laces still proves nothing, For all I know you could have made them up and by your "facts" it seems you did.

What, do I need to scan and post all my ticket stubs and passport stamps as well, do I? I have thousands of witnesses, from passport control, immigration, stewardesses, people checking my ID, hotel clerks, and people I've chatted to that I've been there, as well as companions I was with.

Considering 80% of your fellow Americans don't have passports to see the rest of the world with, therefore remaining apathetic to other cultures (and, as I've experienced, wondering why they aren't the same, down to details like the menu at fucking Burger King - in Copenhagen), you skate on very thin ice.

A bit of a bugger Kim "Bullshit" Howells (our unclutured Culture Minister) rips off my material, though. If you find his rant against "gung-ho Hollywood stars that are too wussy to come to England in case terrorists kill them" grandstanding, it's a must read. Bob Dorner has an English rival...

Thats why this is a flame war you dummy.

Didn't you wade into it? You can just stop typing, you know.

Where is this evidence? Overused stereotypes and things America did 50 years ago?

Start with 50 days ago.

When you made up stuff about America or when you went into the best fo the week thread?

I don't recall claiming that America produced well-balanced, mature, educated people...

Ok I'll turn to CNN right now and wait for the first thing to come on about the war.... Ok some guy is mocking the color code system, paul begala is talking about how bush doesnt know what he is doing with homeland security and that the democrats had a homeland security bill before 9/11 but the republicans shot it down, now they just said stuff about mad cow disease in canada, and now female golfers, quincy jones, we raised to code orange, just said suicide bombings may be a lashback from the war in Iraq, saying that they might attack on memorial weekend.

You might have notticed the "war" finished a few weeks ago. You don't get ratings talking about old news. Read some galtung and Ruge, then try and talk to me about my subject. Would you have had that two months ago?

I dont know if you applied but you sure wouldnt get in.

Damn, I won't get to play with panik. I'll just go home and drown myself in the bathtub...

So now anyone that disagree's with you is a flamer? And they seems to do alot less flaming than you.

Way to take quotes out of context!!!

Read it again, realise I never said any of those words, admit your dumbassity. Then realise you're just another NEMESiSZ.

I have no problem with people saying Americans are fat and lazy, but dont expect me to not say anything, just as you stand up for Canada when AmericanBAdass makes fun of it and just as a Frech man would if someone called french chickens. And making a whole topic about it is even worse, espscially when you are just making up stuff.

You have to type?

I castigate AmericanBADASS not because of what he says about Canadians, but because he's a dick, to be brutally honest. Who wants some little shit trying to instigate the Global IQ Reduction, and not making any points apart from "Wade, ban my sorry ass"?

The French aren't chickens, steamrolled their country (since they left the border of Belgium unguarded - guess where the Germans invaded from?), the stereotype of them is a bunch of arrogant snobs that hate the English. Considering they have the Centre of Frenchness (or whatever it's called) deciding if words are "French" enough to be included in the lexicon, is there any way you can't pick up this viewpoint?

And making stuff up? Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not. You just ran out of decent comebacks, excuses, and counter-arguments.

Just like clockwork...

At 5/21/03 12:01 PM, D2KVirus wrote:

To get right to the very kernal of the subject, finding truly objective journalism is the most difficult thing of all.

I believe you err in that. True journalism is simply the news. Objectiveness towards a subject leads to biased. Truly objective is a pointless way of going about it.

more points

Very intresting, but in the same context you keep touching on how inviable the media aspect of our news is. The question I pose is this " Would rather have biased news, or no news?" I can't live with either of those, then might I ask "Where should we go with the injustice we know of? Report it to the newstations?"

Oh, and Jim, and D2k. both of you shut up in context to one another, you're whiny arguements on the same rehashed points are vastly becoming stale, and time consuming to read. D2k, your "fight" is now with me and I'm not going to whine about spelling.

At 5/21/03 04:07 PM, el_foka wrote:

Oh, and Jim, and D2k. both of you shut up in context to one another, you're whiny arguements on the same rehashed points are vastly becoming stale, and time consuming to read. D2k, your "fight" is now with me and I'm not going to whine about spelling.

Just to point out an interesting fact, jim started bitching after me and d2k_virus, and that all in the same thread.

At 5/21/03 04:42 PM, mrpopenfresh wrote:

Just to point out an interesting fact, jim started bitching after me and d2k_virus, and that all in the same thread.

No, you started bitching, you might want to read the thread before you make stuff up.

At 5/21/03 05:03 PM, jimsween wrote:

At 5/21/03 04:42 PM, mrpopenfresh wrote:

No, you started bitching, you might want to read the thread before you make stuff up.

Heres to sum up pretty much every replie you ever wrote; You obviously dont watch the news or you make stuff up or the occasionnal oh yeah? prove it.

At 5/21/03 05:03 PM, jimsween wrote:

At 5/21/03 04:42 PM, mrpopenfresh wrote:

No, you started bitching, you might want to read the thread before you make stuff up.

May i direct your attention to the first response of this thread?

At 5/21/03 12:42 PM, D2KVirus wrote: What, I imagined you calling me, and I quote, "Pro Islamic State", as well as stating that I believe all Arabs are "Potential Terrorist Scum"?

Those aren't innaccuracies...

I never stated you belived that, I siad those were your words, and how do you define pro islamic state, since you are for it than you must be pro islamic state.

Not that you repeatedly do so. Why not learn to read better? It't the same argument: You obviously need to work on your literacy. See, pointless, annoying, and not welcome.

No its not pointless, if people didnt critisize constant spelling errors than everyoen would be posting like H-Dawg.

So, CNN, NBC, CBS et al don't have websites? FUCK!!! What have I been sourcing?!? I even put it in B&W - websites roll newsfeed. I've used websites for essays with archived news footage, be it the No WTO riots, Gulf War II, or just the World Cup.

Would you mind pointing out where I said they do not have websites? Nice way of ignoring my post because you cant think of an argument so instead you isolate one thing avoiding having to reply to the whole thing.

Besides, there is:

http://www.america.com

Thats not neccesarily an American website, just because it is based on America doesnt mean that the creator couldnt be living in some other country. And how does this prove that ALL American media is proporganda, a person that uses Fox news as an example of American media is just as stupid as someone who uses Hitler as an example of the german people.

Take the word "Republican" out...

So now people that have opposite views from yours are idiots, well that makes you sound very smart yourself.

Name 3 issues I'm republican on? I doubt you can even name one.

Well, since you just handed me the Pro War sentiments, there we go. Then there's you entries in the "Afghanistan" thread, which makes two (and also another bout of childish comments, thank you). I don't have the time or tolerence to scoot through every post you ver made. Still, at least you weren't being all Christian Fundamentalist in the "Suicide" thread.

Pro war is not a republican stance, many of the democratic party members are pro war so that's not an example at all. The Afgahnistan would go along the same lines as war and it still wouldnt matter because niether party has an official stance on it.

By the way, do you think drugs should be legalised? You missed that one, so I'm using it as a tie breaker.

Maybe marijuana but no others, and I dont know how that could be used because niether party is pro legalization of drugs.

And I care either way.

So you admit you were wrong?

How many Americans do you really know? For all you know they could be Canadians posing as Americans. And yet again you stereotype, thats liek saying because a few muslims suicide bomb that they are all evil. And you cannot claim it is not becuase that is EXACTLY what you said except it was Americans instead of muslims and ranting instead of suicide bombing.

Plenty.

I'm pretty sure I know more.

And why in the name of FUCK would a Canadian pose as an American? Doesn't national pride hold any meaning for you? Well, you seem intent on dying protecting your country...on message boards, but don't you think there are canadians that think the same? And French? Etc.

Maybe some Canadians went insane and wanted to pretend to be Americans on NG so they could act like jackasses and make Americans seem bad. And your one to talk about national pride, espescially since you critisize me for defending my country agaisnt stereotypes.

It's one thing for all the 14 year old townies running around trying to mimick American culture at the moment, but that's a phase, and eventually they might realise what country they live in, and grow out of it. If not, can you keep thm in West Texas somewhere, please?

What are you talking about?

Interesting stereotype, though: To be more appreciated, Canadians pose as Americans. Because people LOVE Americans, especially me. Obviously. Commander...

Your just taking up space now arent you?

And it isn't just Muslims that suicide bomb. Catholics have, Protestants have, I'm sure Agnostics, Athiests, and people that managed to forget what religion is have.

You jsut keep proving my point, yet another reason why the stereotype is wrong.

And work out the parts when I'm being sarcastic, it tends to work out better when you reply that you aren't going OTT about an off the cuff remark.

Hard to tell when people are being sarcastic, SINCE WE ARE TYPING NOT TALKING!!!

At 5/21/03 05:16 PM, mrpopenfresh wrote:

At 5/21/03 05:03 PM, jimsween wrote:

At 5/21/03 04:42 PM, mrpopenfresh wrote:

No, you started bitching, you might want to read the thread before you make stuff up.

Heres to sum up pretty much every replie you ever wrote; You obviously dont watch the news or you make stuff up or the occasionnal oh yeah? prove it.

Why dont you turn it to CNN right now? You cant go 5 minutes without them saying something bad about some aspect of America, and you certainly dont hear them say anything good about it. How can you debate a complete lie?

At 5/21/03 05:22 PM, jimsween wrote:

At 5/21/03 12:42 PM, D2KVirus wrote:

Maybe some Canadians went insane and wanted to pretend to be Americans on NG so they could act like jackasses and make Americans seem bad. And your one to talk about national pride, espescially since you critisize me for defending my country agaisnt stereotypes.

I am really baffled by were this argument came from.

At 5/21/03 12:44 PM, D2KVirus wrote: What, do I need to scan and post all my ticket stubs and passport stamps as well, do I? I have thousands of witnesses, from passport control, immigration, stewardesses, people checking my ID, hotel clerks, and people I've chatted to that I've been there, as well as companions I was with.

If you were there you obviously are extremely biased against Americans or else you would ahve realized that majority of us are not uninformed fat lazy oil hungry people who hate all other countries. But either way you obviously dont know Americans as well as you say you do.

Considering 80% of your fellow Americans don't have passports to see the rest of the world with, therefore remaining apathetic to other cultures (and, as I've experienced, wondering why they aren't the same, down to details like the menu at fucking Burger King - in Copenhagen), you skate on very thin ice.

So the fact that we dont have passports makes us uninformed and ethnocentric, than I guess you can say that about almost everyone in the world then. Most Americans dont get passports because they dont have the time to go anywhere, we get 2 weeks vacation a year and I doubt anybody would want to go sightseeing in India or Africa. It seems the more you talk the more stereotypical you get, you might as well quit while your behind.

A bit of a bugger Kim "Bullshit" Howells (our unclutured Culture Minister) rips off my material, though. If you find his rant against "gung-ho Hollywood stars that are too wussy to come to England in case terrorists kill them" grandstanding, it's a must read. Bob Dorner has an English rival...

LMFAO, sounds exciting!

Didn't you wade into it? You can just stop typing, you know.

Wade into what?

Start with 50 days ago.

And the Iraqi's are so worse off now, espescially since we took away that great saddam hussien who happened to have killed more of his civilians DURING this war than we did. When is the last time you heard about lootings or water shortages?

I don't recall claiming that America produced well-balanced, mature, educated people...

Uhhuh... yeah your veeerry funny, I wonder how long it took you to come up with that. I guess it's true, you Canadians are boring. *thinks back to the simpsons when the canadain kid was in special ed because they thought he was slow but it turned out he was just canadian.*

You might have notticed the "war" finished a few weeks ago. You don't get ratings talking about old news. Read some galtung and Ruge, then try and talk to me about my subject. Would you have had that two months ago?

I happen to have watched the news during the war ALL THE FREAKING TIME, that is why I find it so laughable that somebody would claim American news never says anything bad about the war when they do all the time, all the stations predictid is would last much over a month and highly underestimated US progress. When (ironically) in the end, Fox news was the closest with thier war lenght and ended up (Amazingly enough) being right most of thier time in thier predictions.

Damn, I won't get to play with panik. I'll just go home and drown myself in the bathtub...

*In monotone* Oh no... Please dont go...

Way to take quotes out of context!!!

Now you know what it feels like.

Read it again, realise I never said any of those words, admit your dumbassity. Then realise you're just another NEMESiSZ.

Really? The only difference I can find between you two is instead of calling people dumbass Democrats and not at all allowing any thought that your wrong, you call people dumbass rebublicans.

You have to type?

I castigate AmericanBADASS not because of what he says about Canadians, but because he's a dick, to be brutally honest. Who wants some little shit trying to instigate the Global IQ Reduction, and not making any points apart from "Wade, ban my sorry ass"?

So you would never stand up for your country? Well in that case, Canadia sucks.

The French aren't chickens, steamrolled their country (since they left the border of Belgium unguarded - guess where the Germans invaded from?), the stereotype of them is a bunch of arrogant snobs that hate the English. Considering they have the Centre of Frenchness (or whatever it's called) deciding if words are "French" enough to be included in the lexicon, is there any way you can't pick up this viewpoint?

ARRRGGHH!!! I Said outright that those were STEREOTYPES, I didnt say I believe them!

And making stuff up? Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not. You just ran out of decent comebacks, excuses, and counter-arguments.

To your made up stuff, Unfortunately unlike you I dont make up stuff so I'm sorry if the things that I say are true doesnt mean that thier lack of dazzle makes them irrelevant. Your world you live in may be fun but it sure isnt real.

This just in: Canadian officails have announced thier plan to dominate thier world, they have officially requested that anyone under 10 be tortured and killed Immedeatly.

Wow, so thats what it's like when you talk......

Just like clockwork...

Canadians have clocks!!!! I didnt know you people possesed the technology to make things like that.

At 5/21/03 05:30 PM, mrpopenfresh wrote:

I am really baffled by were this argument came from.

So it's impossible any Canadians to something like this?

At 5/10/03 06:46 PM, mrpopenfresh wrote: I believe that american television DOES equal propaganda, like it or not.

I wouldn't like it, if it were true. there is some mainstream media that behaves the way you describe (FOX News), but not enough to consider it all propoganda.

First off there is the kind of propaganda that is to show how good and important the war is to the people of whatever country the american troops are fighting in, this is seen in some,if not all, news reports. Oh, and lets not forget shows like the o'reilly factor and whatnot.

I agree with your stand on the O'reilly factor, but once again it is not enough to Consider all talk shows propoganda.

Secondly, there is the twisting of the truth, or manipuation if you will. This is to make the "good side" look like its winning when actually it isnt. This is a little exampl (NOTE, the following text is entirely fictionnal, im just using it to prove a point); Lets take two countrys, say France and the united states because for some reasons americans dont seem to be very fond of them these days. The two countrys decide to go head to head in a bike race, the winner is France. Later that day, American television stations cover the story and say this;"Earlier today, a breathtaking bicycle race was disputed. The french had a deceiving before last place while the americans took a spectacular second place!"

This doesn't make much, if at all, sense.

Its just that easy.

I sincerely doubt it is.

At 5/21/03 06:04 PM, jimsween wrote:

At 5/21/03 05:30 PM, mrpopenfresh wrote:

I am really baffled by were this argument came from.

So it's impossible any Canadians to something like this?

But you just spontaniously started talking abut this.

At 5/21/03 09:17 PM, mrpopenfresh wrote:

At 5/21/03 06:04 PM, jimsween wrote:

At 5/21/03 05:30 PM, mrpopenfresh wrote:

I am really baffled by were this argument came from.

So it's impossible any Canadians to something like this?

But you just spontaniously started talking abut this.

It might help to read the first post on this page.

At 5/21/03 05:22 PM, jimsween wrote: I never stated you belived that, I siad those were your words, and how do you define pro islamic state, since you are for it than you must be pro islamic state.

Funny, saying "Pro Islamic State" were *drum roll please* YOUR WORDS!!! And, I seem to recall, my point was:
A.) Missed.
B.) Who were the US to say that the Iraqis couldn't just vote out the Ba'ath? Wouldn't it be a better symbolic resolution that, hey, they decided to vote for somebody else, because they had the choice?

No its not pointless, if people didnt critisize constant spelling errors than everyoen would be posting like H-Dawg.

It is pointless, get used to the fact, and stop trying to justify yourself.

Would you mind pointing out where I said they do not have websites? Nice way of ignoring my post because you cant think of an argument so instead you isolate one thing avoiding having to reply to the whole thing.

Funny, I seem to recall you not making a valid point, and randomly threading some statements together.

:a person that uses Fox news as an example of American media is just as stupid as someone who uses Hitler as an example of the german people.

Didn't I write that three days ago?

So now people that have opposite views from yours are idiots, well that makes you sound very smart yourself.

No, people that continue to spout slogans, and resort to childish name-calling are not only wrong, but moronic. People that live to whine against people that disagree with them, they're just wasting organs that other people need more than they do.

Pro war is not a republican stance, many of the democratic party members are pro war so that's not an example at all. The Afgahnistan would go along the same lines as war and it still wouldnt matter because niether party has an official stance on it.

I think they do. generally, if you instigate a war, they counts as a "stance".

Maybe marijuana but no others, and I dont know how that could be used because niether party is pro legalization of drugs.

One word: "Fence."

So you admit you were wrong?

No, I'm just waiting for Steven Hawking to sign up, post the Meaning of Life, and receive the "STFU n00b" treatment.

You're trying to score points off the difference between "n00b' and "newbie"? Doesn't that seem just a little bit desperate right now?

I'm pretty sure I know more.

Well whoop-de-shit, you think you know more!!! That's a fine basis for an argument!!! tell me, how many Iraqis do you know? Germans? French? Because, guess what, i think I know plenty more of them than you do! Therefore, can I go and slag them off at every given opportunity, Mr. Jim, Sir?

Jim pisses off dozens of people with this statement.

What are you talking about?

In other words, you're ignorant of British culture? Stop wagging that finger, then.

Interesting stereotype, though: To be more appreciated, Canadians pose as Americans. Because people LOVE Americans, especially me. Obviously. Commander...

Your just taking up space now arent you?

No, you just didn't have an answer. It's a valid point - if you want to be appreciated, it's a good idea to pretend to be American? Why?

Hard to tell when people are being sarcastic, SINCE WE ARE TYPING NOT TALKING!!!

Just a little lateral thinking is all I ask. And since when did everyone have to be po-faced when typing, for God's sake? is that in the BBS rules? OF COURSE IT FUCKING ISN'T. Excuses, excuses...

At 5/21/03 06:00 PM, jimsween wrote:
If you were there you obviously are extremely biased against Americans or else you would ahve realized that majority of us are not uninformed fat lazy oil hungry people who hate all other countries. But either way you obviously dont know Americans as well as you say you do.

Ever been to Utah?

"If"? I believe if you stretch to your full length, you might just get a hand on those darn straws...

So the fact that we dont have passports makes us uninformed and ethnocentric, than I guess you can say that about almost everyone in the world then. Most Americans dont get passports because they dont have the time to go anywhere, we get 2 weeks vacation a year and I doubt anybody would want to go sightseeing in India or Africa. It seems the more you talk the more stereotypical you get, you might as well quit while your behind.

Funny, the British working year isn't too different, yet we have passports, and we go on holidays. Same can be said of the French, the Germans, the Swiss, the...in fact, just name a country that isn't among the world's poorest (Afghanistan etc), and you'll find people have passports, and regularly visit other countries. Epcot just doesn't have the same ring to it, y'know.

Wade into what?

If you're so darn Anti Flame War, why are you still here, sounding more and more like a little bitch by the syllable?

And the Iraqi's are so worse off now, espescially since we took away that great saddam hussien who happened to have killed more of his civilians DURING this war than we did. When is the last time you heard about lootings or water shortages?

So, an outbreak of Cholera in Basra just two weeks ago was a benefit, was it? And, as I have said, if the news covers a story two weeks after the logical conclusion, you're imagining it. And please, prove that Saddam killed more civillians than the US Forces of Greatness and Good did, don't just pluck spamtistics out of the ether.

Uhhuh... yeah your veeerry funny, I wonder how long it took you to come up with that. I guess it's true, you Canadians are boring. *thinks back to the simpsons when the canadain kid was in special ed because they thought he was slow but it turned out he was just canadian.*

On the question of nationality, would you like to take another guess?

Goddamn, it's even on my profile, which just goes to show just how factually clued up you are, Sween.

I happen to have watched the news during the war ALL THE FREAKING TIME, that is why I find it so laughable that somebody would claim American news never says anything bad about the war when they do all the time, all the stations predictid is would last much over a month and highly underestimated US progress. When (ironically) in the end, Fox news was the closest with thier war lenght and ended up (Amazingly enough) being right most of thier time in thier predictions.

This still is no excuse for you declaring that, a month after an event, it is shocking that CNN don't have any Pro War coverage.

Besides, what criticism was there? I want sources, Sween, SOURCES. Any notes about the inability to hit a target vaguely military? Any notes about the inability to hit a target vaguely Iraqi? Any notes about, hey, what was the point? How about, $64,000 at the ready, how they decided it wasn't about nukes etc after all, but "freeing the people from tyranny"?

Really? The only difference I can find between you two is instead of calling people dumbass Democrats and not at all allowing any thought that your wrong, you call people dumbass rebublicans.

Didn't I already call you just plain "dumbass"?

So you would never stand up for your country? Well in that case, Canadia sucks.

Still being 100% wrong, Sween, keep it up, even if I've left plenty of clues all over the fucking place.

Besides, so what if I was born there, it's not like there was any input from my end of the deal. And why should I defend my country instead of, say, Croatia? And where should I stop standing up for my country? Should the German people have deserted their nationality between 1939 and 1945, because it was wrong? They couldn't, they were, for lack of a better phrase, honour bound to fight for their country, their leader and, besides, it wouldn't be a good idea if they didn't.

ARRRGGHH!!! I Said outright that those were STEREOTYPES, I didnt say I believe them!

And I'm pointing out that your stereotypes are vastly different from everyone elses, and even less based on anything remotely factual, just a quote from The Simpsons, and being pissy they wouldn't join you in your little party in the Gulf.

To your made up stuff, Unfortunately unlike you I dont make up stuff so I'm sorry if the things that I say are true doesnt mean that thier lack of dazzle makes them irrelevant. Your world you live in may be fun but it sure isnt real.

So, now you accuse me of suffering psychosis? You really have run out of ideas, haven't you?

What tells you that you live in the real world, exactly? I demand that you prove to me, inconclusivly, that what you reel off day after day is, in fact, documentation of The Real World, not the representation of the Fantasy World, which you have become too wrapped-up in to discern that, wait, you are being fucked every day of your life, and your security blanket is trying to convince yourself, pretending it's other people, that You Are Right.

You can't.

This just in: Canadian officails have announced thier plan to dominate thier world, they have officially requested that anyone under 10 be tortured and killed Immedeatly.

Judging by your post history, you've regressed back to that level. We'll miss you.

Pity I'm not canadian, I'd relish hunting you down like a dog...

Just like clockwork...

Canadians have clocks!!!! I didnt know you people possesed the technology to make things like that.

Congratulations, Mr. Sween, you hgave just invalidated EVERY SINGLE MOTHERFUCKING THING YOU HAVE SAID IN THIS THREAD WITH THAT ONE STATEMENT. Thank you for playing, please come back and try again.

And you're still wrong.

And, yes, the "Purile abuse" phase is another part of the Grand Scheme Of Being A Flaming Ass, as well as the "You're wrong" phase, the "What do you know?" phase, and the "managing to turn more people against you, but still you believe you're right" phase.

Just e-mail me some insults and complete the cycle, will you? Hell, NEMESiSZ did...

At 5/21/03 04:07 PM, el_foka wrote:

At 5/21/03 12:01 PM, D2KVirus wrote:

To get right to the very kernal of the subject, finding truly objective journalism is the most difficult thing of all.

I believe you err in that. True journalism is simply the news. Objectiveness towards a subject leads to biased. Truly objective is a pointless way of going about it.

Although my (basic) journalistic training said, above all, be objective at all times (even when it seemed thousands of angry cabbies were swarming through the gates of Sheffield Town Hall in your general direction - not nice), when I did a bit of temping at my local paper for data entry, I can assure you that even local rags with limited readerships aren't too concerned with the truth. For example, Tony Blair was at a local hospital, and was questioned on the spot about staff shortages, yet that didn't get reported. Why not? Don't we need to know that Blair can't answer topical, relevant questions, and has to have planted "members of the public" to keep up appearances?

Very intresting, but in the same context you keep touching on how inviable the media aspect of our news is. The question I pose is this " Would rather have biased news, or no news?" I can't live with either of those, then might I ask "Where should we go with the injustice we know of? Report it to the newstations?"

If anything, more news. Every broadcast should have counter viewpoints, rather than obey the dominant discourse.

For example, GWII, the BBC were Pro War (nothing to do with being a Government run organisation, of course), as well as keeping up the "Scare the shit out of the public" approach as often as possible (check my previous posts; preferably not responses to jimsween or Anarchy_Balsac, ahem), and ITN were similar in their coverage, albeit not utilising rolling coverage for most of the day. And they wonder why people won't pay the License Fee. Anyway, I digress...

Of the five terrestrial channels, BBC1 were the lapdogs, BBC2 didn't have any coverage, ITV were again Pro War, and Channel 5 were their usual tabloid selves. However, Channel 4 News is the best source for objective coverage because they have opposing viewpoints, because they have supplimenting reports that go into detail, and because they weren't concerned over ratings and/or having their boradcasting rights mysteriously burned. The fact that the BBC bragged that they won the ratings war has to be the sickest joke since "Join the Army and See the Navy".

Oh, and Jim, and D2k. both of you shut up in context to one another, you're whiny arguements on the same rehashed points are vastly becoming stale, and time consuming to read. D2k, your "fight" is now with me and I'm not going to whine about spelling.

Can I say that he started it?

Just to make a point that I shouldv'e made ages ago, it dosen't matter if someone uses bad ponctuation or writes a word wrong, just as long as they dont say things like "U R SO GHEY, U SUx0RZ"

At 5/20/03 05:22 PM, jimsween wrote:

it wasnt that there was no American media in Canada, it was that since he lives in Canada he couldnt possibly be able to access all the American news stations.

Actually I have acces to every big t.v. station of the U.S. Of course, I dont have all the local cable channels, but i do get rochesters one and im sure it represents most cable stations. I dont get local news, but I do get every single bit of information that is accessible to an american from Florida to Alaska.

At 5/22/03 01:25 PM, D2KVirus wrote:

At 5/21/03 05:22 PM, jimsween wrote: I never stated you belived that, I siad those were your words, and how do you define pro islamic state, since you are for it than you must be pro islamic state.

Funny, saying "Pro Islamic State" were *drum roll please* YOUR WORDS!!! And, I seem to recall, my point was:
A.) Missed.
B.) Who were the US to say that the Iraqis couldn't just vote out the Ba'ath? Wouldn't it be a better symbolic resolution that, hey, they decided to vote for somebody else, because they had the choice?

Nobody else in the country is as famous as the Ba'ath so it would be easy for one of them to win, and FYI we allowed ba'ath party members to be in but only got rid of the ones who were responsible for some sort of war crimes.

No its not pointless, if people didnt critisize constant spelling errors than everyoen would be posting like H-Dawg.

It is pointless, get used to the fact, and stop trying to justify yourself.

It's pointless? Really? Have you seen Popenfresh's posts lately?

Would you mind pointing out where I said they do not have websites? Nice way of ignoring my post because you cant think of an argument so instead you isolate one thing avoiding having to reply to the whole thing.

Funny, I seem to recall you not making a valid point, and randomly threading some statements together.

Funny, I seem to recall you not answering my rebuttal.

a person that uses Fox news as an example of American media is just as stupid as someone who uses Hitler as an example of the german people.

Didn't I write that three days ago?

If you did that makes you a huge hypocrit.

So now people that have opposite views from yours are idiots, well that makes you sound very smart yourself.

No, people that continue to spout slogans, and resort to childish name-calling are not only wrong, but moronic. People that live to whine against people that disagree with them, they're just wasting organs that other people need more than they do.

So you call yourself moronic? I'm glad you finally admitted it.

Pro war is not a republican stance, many of the democratic party members are pro war so that's not an example at all. The Afgahnistan would go along the same lines as war and it still wouldnt matter because niether party has an official stance on it.

I think they do. generally, if you instigate a war, they counts as a "stance".

Most of the DFL senate members voted FOR the war, and how did the republicans single handedly instigate this war? I think saddam offering Suicide bombers money may have had something to do with it.

Maybe marijuana but no others, and I dont know how that could be used because niether party is pro legalization of drugs.

One word: "Fence."

Once again, niether party is for it so it wouldnt matter anyways. And just because I'm moderate doesnt mean I'm undecided.

So you admit you were wrong?

No, I'm just waiting for Steven Hawking to sign up, post the Meaning of Life, and receive the "STFU n00b" treatment.

Probably by you, that is if he says anything REMOTELY conservative. And Steven Hawking isnt that smart, he's just a publicity whore.

You're trying to score points off the difference between "n00b' and "newbie"? Doesn't that seem just a little bit desperate right now?

What? Your the one who tried to use it as a debate, if anything you seem a little desperate.

I'm pretty sure I know more.

Well whoop-de-shit, you think you know more!!! That's a fine basis for an argument!!! tell me, how many Iraqis do you know? Germans? French? Because, guess what, i think I know plenty more of them than you do! Therefore, can I go and slag them off at every given opportunity, Mr. Jim, Sir?

How is this about Germans? This is about you spouting stereotypes against America.

Jim pisses off dozens of people with this statement.

So now no Canadians at all can ever do something stupid? Way to make sense.

What are you talking about?

In other words, you're ignorant of British culture? Stop wagging that finger, then.

No, I jsut dont see how this has ANYTHING at all to do with this debate.

Interesting stereotype, though: To be more appreciated, Canadians pose as Americans. Because people LOVE Americans, especially me. Obviously. Commander...

Your just taking up space now arent you?

No, you just didn't have an answer. It's a valid point - if you want to be appreciated, it's a good idea to pretend to be American? Why?

Did you not read what I wrote? It had nothing to do with wanting to be Americans they could have done it to get people more pissed at Americans. You just keep trailing off into some nonsense in ever single post.

Hard to tell when people are being sarcastic, SINCE WE ARE TYPING NOT TALKING!!!

Just a little lateral thinking is all I ask. And since when did everyone have to be po-faced when typing, for God's sake? is that in the BBS rules? OF COURSE IT FUCKING ISN'T. Excuses, excuses...

Maybe If you were such a radical it would be easier to tell when your being sarcastic.

Jimmy, Poppy, DK (Virus, not the monkey)-

Stop this. If you want, I can go to the General forum and post a topic thread called "Jimmy, Poppy and D2K throw insults at each other." I'm getting tired of sifting through all this crap. Make up, shake hands, and use correct grammar, and everybody will be happy. Stick to the damned topic, or... uh...

I'll kick your asses! Yeah! That's the ticket!

*Makes tough-guy face*

Word.

Not to be a stool pigeon or anything, jimsween started it. And thats a verified fact.

At 5/22/03 01:56 PM, D2KVirus wrote: Ever been to Utah?

"If"? I believe if you stretch to your full length, you might just get a hand on those darn straws...

Your comparing Americans to the people in Utah? Thats like comparing the people in Ireland to the IRA (no offense to anyone in Utah).

D2k assuming that everyone who doesnt have a passport isnt as good as him

Yet again you Ignore the bulk of my post and focus on one part of it to make it easier for you to debate. And ever thoght it may be that the people in Europe get passports because if you drive for more than 5 hours in one direction you end up in another country? And britan is one of the only countries to have the same working periods as us, the rest have much more vacation.

If you're so darn Anti Flame War, why are you still here, sounding more and more like a little bitch by the syllable?

Who said I was anti flame war, I'm just anti-you.

So, an outbreak of Cholera in Basra just two weeks ago was a benefit, was it? And, as I have said, if the news covers a story two weeks after the logical conclusion, you're imagining it. And please, prove that Saddam killed more civillians than the US Forces of Greatness and Good did, don't just pluck spamtistics out of the ether.

I thought you watched the news, remember he started shelling norther Iraqi kurd cities. And he sent the people on suicide missions. He sent in the Fedayeen to force civilians to fight against American soldiers. He set the Oil feilds on fire (which I'm sure killed some people from smoke inhaleation), and there was that misslie that killed a good 150 Iraqi's in a market. why couldnt that last one be American you ask? Well first of all we werent using missiles that exploded that big, we only use presiscion missiles and there was no real military target near that so it would be hard for it to go that far off, and it just so happens there were no missile raids then because it was the middle of the day.

On the question of nationality, would you like to take another guess?

Goddamn, it's even on my profile, which just goes to show just how factually clued up you are, Sween.

Your english!!! I'm so very very sorry, not because I guessed wrong but because your english.

This still is no excuse for you declaring that, a month after an event, it is shocking that CNN don't have any Pro War coverage.

I never said anything about pro war coverage, I said there was a suprising amount of Bush bashing fro a station that is controlled by the government.

Besides, what criticism was there? I want sources, Sween, SOURCES. Any notes about the inability to hit a target vaguely military? Any notes about the inability to hit a target vaguely Iraqi? Any notes about, hey, what was the point? How about, $64,000 at the ready, how they decided it wasn't about nukes etc after all, but "freeing the people from tyranny"?

You seem to want the news stations to be biased, not fair. Can you show me where an American news station (besides fox news) ever said that IRAq was under tyranny or anything biased at all? It seems like really you just want them to side with you all the time. As for never saying anything bad About USA If you want internet ok, http://search.cnn.com/cnn/sear...amp;query=%20iraqi%20civilians http://www.msnbc.com/news/659384.asp http://www.msnbc.com/news/902690.asp

Even though that is just a few (I can get more) it proves you wrong.

Didn't I already call you just plain "dumbass"?

Is that you Nemesisz? Looks like we got a clone account.

Still being 100% wrong, Sween, keep it up, even if I've left plenty of clues all over the fucking place.

Fine Britan sucks, still the same point.

D2k makes baseless statement.

There is a difference between defending your country and agreeing with it. If you would really just sit by and let people critisize british than you are no better than the Germans because you just roll over and play dead. Just as they did to thier government. And your argument is flawed anyways, defending your country leads to Facism. You could just as easily say that eating meat leads to cannibalism, you sound alot like rick santorum.

And I'm pointing out that your stereotypes are vastly different from everyone elses, and even less based on anything remotely factual, just a quote from The Simpsons, and being pissy they wouldn't join you in your little party in the Gulf.

Thier not my stereotypes? Did you even read what I wrote before you replied?

So, now you accuse me of suffering psychosis? You really have run out of ideas, haven't you?

Yes I am so obviously accusing you of phsycosis, and not just accusing you of being biased. You must have alot of comprehension skills.

What tells you that you live in the real world, exactly? I demand that you prove to me, inconclusivly, that what you reel off day after day is, in fact, documentation of The Real World, not the representation of the Fantasy World, which you have become too wrapped-up in to discern that, wait, you are being fucked every day of your life, and your security blanket is trying to convince yourself, pretending it's other people, that You Are Right.

You say I'm the one in the Fantasy world yet your the one who claims that a government secretly controls an entire media and that we somehow managed to steal oil from Iraq without anyone noticing.

You can't.

Niether can you.

Judging by your post history, you've regressed back to that level. We'll miss you.

And I'm the on who cant notice sarcasm?

Pity I'm not canadian, I'd relish hunting you down like a dog...

So canadian stereotypes are bad but American ones arent?

Congratulations, Mr. Sween, you hgave just invalidated EVERY SINGLE MOTHERFUCKING THING YOU HAVE SAID IN THIS THREAD WITH THAT ONE STATEMENT. Thank you for playing, please come back and try again.

Once again, it seems kind of hipocritical of you to say that it's ok to say American stereotypes but no Canadian ones.

And, yes, the "Purile abuse" phase is another part of the Grand Scheme Of Being A Flaming Ass, as well as the "You're wrong" phase, the "What do you know?" phase, and the "managing to turn more people against you, but still you believe you're right" phase.

Wow, you went through thoses phases with lightining speed.

At 5/22/03 06:45 PM, mrpopenfresh wrote: Not to be a stool pigeon or anything, jimsween started it. And thats a verified fact.

No you did by claiming that all Americans are uninformed.

At 5/22/03 04:53 PM, mrpopenfresh wrote:

At 5/20/03 05:22 PM, jimsween wrote:

it wasnt that there was no American media in Canada, it was that since he lives in Canada he couldnt possibly be able to access all the American news stations.

Actually I have acces to every big t.v. station of the U.S. Of course, I dont have all the local cable channels, but i do get rochesters one and im sure it represents most cable stations. I dont get local news, but I do get every single bit of information that is accessible to an american from Florida to Alaska.

So you manage to watch ever news station all at the smae time every second of the day, because thats what you just claimed.

"OMFG You started it11!!1" "Nah-uh j00 started it!!!11!1"

Whatever. I don't give a fuck. I'm trying to end it. Stop. It's pointless and non-constructive.

At 5/22/03 07:59 PM, PreacherJ wrote: "OMFG You started it11!!1" "Nah-uh j00 started it!!!11!1"

Whatever. I don't give a fuck. I'm trying to end it. Stop. It's pointless and non-constructive.

Fine, I wont post in here anymore. *adds the URL of this to his blocked sites list*