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At 3/30/07 05:18 AM, cellardoor6 wrote: Actually it was about the US supporting other people in other countries who didn't want their country taken over by communists.

Rather than letting Vietnam having a referendum to decide what government the majority wanted American ego got in the way and split the country into two (Spose makes sense for a country that fought opposed to a referendum)

Are you unaware of the fact that your country fought under US command in every single war the US has fought in except Panama in the last 60 years?

No, I was under the impression we were in every war with America since the signing of the ANZUS treaty, it's a two way deal we use each other in wars, if Australia was to attack Indonesia yous would fight for us, unfortunately that deal only works for promoting Americas ideals in foreign countries but having the weapon mass that is America means we dont have to focus as much on military.

No, it's because Canadians usually have to wait very long amounts of time to get the care they need under their system. Watch the fucking movie I linked to.

I'm not familiar with Canadas system, in Australia everyone is treated as equals but in regards to treatment not discriminating between rich and poor with instant doctor access (Give or take a few regional towns, larger regonal population here) it works and I'm sure a lot out there promote Aus over USA (No stats at the moment)

Rich clients (not patients) often donate money to hospitals for extra wards and equipment upon being treated so its also regular that the best doctors are used for richer clients. Since there is no constant wage for doctors the better ones are hired by richer hospitals.

? No comment its economics in healthcare its pathetic.

You're talking to someone who lived outside of the US for almost a year. And based on the poor dental and orthodontic upkeep in non-American countries.

*Smiles with perfect white alligned non-filled teeth*

I could only assume their healthcare isn't of as high a quality as it is in the US. (not regarding the fact that it is a regular complaint that their healthcare system for being slow and without options)

Wheres this?

man you guys are stupid ... stop with the stereotypes .. not all canadian people say EH? or trap animals and play hockey ... and I know this coz I'm canadian so stfu

At 3/30/07 05:35 AM, ScreamsfromtheCasket wrote: man you guys are stupid ... stop with the stereotypes .. not all canadian people say EH? or trap animals and play hockey ... and I know this coz I'm canadian so stfu

Behold the most logical thing we've heard so far in this thread!
Your my new hero. :D

At 3/30/07 05:30 AM, TheCriminalDuder wrote: Cellardoor6... This is all I have to say to you.

Of course, because everything you say that actually had to do with the issue got disproven. So your natural, pathetic childish little Canadian instinct caused you to avoid the issue and create a diversion such as a silly little picture with a childish remark on it.

But since I already completely destroyed you, I can play this game too:

At 3/30/07 05:37 AM, TheCriminalDuder wrote:

At 3/30/07 05:35 AM, ScreamsfromtheCasket wrote: man you guys are stupid ... stop with the stereotypes .. not all canadian people say EH? or trap animals and play hockey ... and I know this coz I'm canadian so stfu

Ah time to stop posting guys we've been rumbled sterotyping humour isn't allowed on the internet and by an actual Canadian, I feel embarrased this is terrible, I've learnt something today..

Behold the most logical thing we've heard so far in this thread!
Your my new hero. :D

Go home.

haha cellardoor just wont quit.

At 3/30/07 05:33 AM, Jesse-Ray wrote:

At 3/30/07 05:18 AM, cellardoor6 wrote: Actually it was about the US supporting other people in other countries who didn't want their country taken over by communists.

Rather than letting Vietnam having a referendum to decide what government the majority wanted American ego got in the way and split the country into two (Spose makes sense for a country that fought opposed to a referendum)

Are you completely oblivious to history? South Vietnam was a democratically elected government with a majority in the South. They ASKED the US to come in and protect them.

Communism wasn't just something that people voted for, Communists invaded and ousted democracies through force. So since the US was doing something both for itself and South Vietnam (a US ally) there is nothing wrong with it and it just shows how desperate you are to ignore reality if you have to pretend otherwise.

Are you unaware of the fact that your country fought under US command in every single war the US has fought in except Panama in the last 60 years?

No, I was under the impression we were in every war with America since the signing of the ANZUS treaty, it's a two way deal we use each other in wars, if Australia was to attack Indonesia yous would fight for us, unfortunately that deal only works for promoting Americas ideals in foreign countries but having the weapon mass that is America means we dont have to focus as much on military.

Kind of hypocritical to criticize American militarism when you even admit that your country's defense pact with the US allows your country to be less militaristic isn't it?

Regardless, the most hypocritical thing you are doing is criticizing the US for fighting against communism, all while your country was fighting along side Americans the entire time. Yet only to a smaller degree, of course, because your country had less of an ability to do it in the first place.

I'm not familiar with Canadas system, in Australia everyone is treated as equals but in regards to treatment not discriminating between rich and poor with instant doctor access (Give or take a few regional towns, larger regonal population here) it works and I'm sure a lot out there promote Aus over USA (No stats at the moment)

It doesn't matter, your healthcare is still a government controlled charade, you have no real control over your medical care. And because of this, there is zero competition and zero inclination from your medical sector to create the most efficient, and effective system.

In the US, we have a private healthcare system for those who can afford it that is of exceptional and world-class quality. But we also have a mediocre government-provided medical system for people who who can't afford it for legitimate reasons.

If a woman with 3 children has medical problems and can't work, she is eligible for Welfare and medicaid. It's as simple as that.

But if there is a woman who makes 40,000 a year and therefore can afford healthcare insurance, she is expected to, and in doing so she will have alot more control over it than someone who has to accept the government provided healthcare plan.

The US system is superior across the board.

? No comment its economics in healthcare its pathetic.

No, it's PRIVATE meaning that it is a PRIVATE endeavor between a hospital/doctor and a PATIENT with an insurance company providing a 3rd party.

In your system, it is only between the government and the medical sector, you have little to no say, you can't customize your healthcare, and you can't change providers in order to meet your own needs.

Yeah, it involves economics, but it makes it vastly better because of it. I'd rather deal with a coporation that has a goal to create the best product, than with a government who has no desire or need to because they get paid regardless of how good their product is.

*Smiles with perfect white alligned non-filled teeth*

Then you're a fluke.

I could only assume their healthcare isn't of as high a quality as it is in the US. (not regarding the fact that it is a regular complaint that their healthcare system for being slow and without options)

Wheres this?

I didn't really hear that in Australia I admit, I wasn't there for long. But I did hear the healthcare system in the UK being brought up repeatedly and I didn't really hear anything positive about it.

At 3/30/07 05:52 AM, cellardoor6 wrote: Then you're a fluke.

Nicest thing you've ever said to me, oh and I did graduate high school.

Australia is a very scientific country the last nobel prize for health (think it was last years) went to two Australians, the government injects a damn lot of money into healthcare so that no competitive commercialism of health is needed, it also gets problematic with a non set limit of funding whats stopping American hospitals cost cutting and advertising health checks that aren't particularly needed, its just a delicate area if an economic depression were to occour it'll greatly affect healthcare while Australia can inject surplus funds and keep a consistant system. By having shared medical research it is far more productive and wastes less resources, pure capitalism is wasteful thats why in theory communism works better, some things (Power, Water, Education, Healthcare etc) should be controlled on a more macro scale.

Poor Shadow.

I'm pretty sure all he intended to do was to joke, in a friendly manner, and not insult anyone in particular.

Then cellardoor came in and started the usual bitching and flaming that he's infamous for, and ruined the topic.

Oh well.

At 3/30/07 07:03 AM, LinkSilvermane wrote: Poor Shadow.

I'm pretty sure all he intended to do was to joke, in a friendly manner, and not insult anyone in particular.

Then cellardoor came in and started the usual bitching and flaming that he's infamous for, and ruined the topic.

Oh well.

Boohoo

If people don't want get destroyed by me in a political debate they need to learn to avoid it in the first place instead of engaging in a mutual debate with me, losing, then complaining about it afterwards.

At 3/30/07 07:25 AM, Shadow-XII wrote: Jesse-Ray and cellardoor9, I know you both loving bitching at each other about who has the biggest e-penis, which country is better and the fact that you're both right but can you please fucking not?

Meh... Jesse lost anyway, anything else hereafter will just be a bonus.

At 3/30/07 07:27 AM, cellardoor6 wrote:

At 3/30/07 07:25 AM, Shadow-XII wrote: Jesse-Ray and cellardoor9, I know you both loving bitching at each other about who has the biggest e-penis, which country is better and the fact that you're both right but can you please fucking not?

Meh... Jesse lost anyway, anything else hereafter will just be a bonus.

So what I meant to say is yeah, I'm done. You may now have your thread back.

At 3/30/07 07:27 AM, cellardoor6 wrote:

At 3/30/07 07:25 AM, Shadow-XII wrote: Jesse-Ray and cellardoor9,

Hahaha finally some thread ruining patriotic recognition, allthough cellardoor you did drag country rivalry into this opposed to us having fun at the Canadians.
I know you both loving bitching at each other about who has the biggest e-penis, which country is better and the fact that you're both right but can you please fucking not?
New Zealand how ever is the retarded cousin of Australia all migrating over here etc etc.

Meh... Jesse lost anyway, anything else hereafter will just be a bonus.

Hahaha, we should have fist fights in future to prove arguments.

I think we should all have a hug at the end of this, whos in?

At 3/30/07 07:30 AM, Jesse-Ray wrote:

At 3/30/07 07:27 AM, cellardoor6 wrote:

At 3/30/07 07:25 AM, Shadow-XII wrote: Jesse-Ray and cellardoor9,

Hahaha finally some thread ruining patriotic recognition, allthough cellardoor you did drag country rivalry into this opposed to us having fun at the Canadians.

You started it, I would have been content on just simply ripping on Canada.

I know you both loving bitching at each other about who has the biggest e-penis, which country is better and the fact that you're both right but can you please fucking not?

New Zealand how ever is the retarded cousin of Australia all migrating over here etc etc.

You have a point there.

Meh... Jesse lost anyway, anything else hereafter will just be a bonus.

Hahaha, we should have fist fights in future to prove arguments.

After all, that was how Australia was founded right? The people who wanted to be Prime Minister just had a scuffle? That was back in the good ol' days when the capital punishment was just a "kick in the bum" though hahaha

But I'd whoop you anyway

so much for the hug =(

At 3/30/07 04:30 AM, cellardoor6 wrote:

At 3/30/07 04:18 AM, madknt wrote:

At 3/30/07 04:06 AM, cellardoor6 wrote: Examples: Animal cruelty, educational problems, healthcare problems etc...

...you are joking right?

No, I actually have the facts.

there is no way they are worse in Canada.

Um heard of something called Seal clubbing? Yeah, thats illegal in the US... Canada kills half a million baby seals every year, even to the point that the US doesn't even allow Canadian seal products in the US because of the method it is made.

Well, let's see here, it's nowhere NEAR teh astronmoical number you've provided. I've never once seen a seal product sold here. Nothing at all.

Lies. So, onwards.

Of course, Canadians never really mention this. They'd rather just be a fucking dumbass, ignore reality and attack American because SOME Americans hunt deer (even though plenty of Canadians do as well)

Hmm. Maybe because it's not true. And I've personally never attacked an American, or anyone else, for their choice in past times.

Healthcare problems are actually worse in Canada than in the US. Canada has a higher life expectancy, but this is only because they have more caucasians who are statistically more likely to live longer. The US has much more minorities.

Now, this one is the juiceist. You can't tell me you know this one as fact. Canada is a multicutural society. I don't know how many times I've walked into a mall, or anywhere, really, where theere was not one white person working ANYTHING. We're out numbered.

But the way you judge the healthcare is by how the survival rate, and recovery rate for people who get diseases is. America's private healthcare is by far the best and most advanced in the world, an American who is diagnosed with cancer is more likely to survive than someone who is diagnosed with cancer in Canada.

This, I won't argue with, because it holds some weight. But I really think it unfair to judge a public health care system to that of a private one.

Canada's health care system is utter shit. It is inefficient, and since it's government controlled, it is highly bureaucratic, and of low quality because they have to meet all kinds of funding quotas. That is why a lot of Canadians come to the US for surgery because it's higher quality here, and they don't have to wait as long as they do in Canada's slow, inefficient system.

We have our good hospitals as well. Sick Kids hospital is the hub of it all, and you'll have people flown in from all over the country, (I recall a few Americans in it's history as well) just for the top quality treatment they have.

As for education, well Canada doesn't even have a school in the top 50 Universities in the world, the US has 45 of them, including the top 18, and 2800 of the top 300.

This one, I haven't checked. For the few Americans I have personally met, that bothered to go to school, they were well educated. The abhorrent number I have encountered otherwise who did not, were left with a bleak understanding of the world, and assumed they were loved everywhere except "i-rack."

No offense my good sir, I have nothing against Americans. I do, however, have something against the degragation of my country. :|

And anyways, wasn't it at least 3 years (Can't recall exactly) of Canada being at the top of the U.N.s "Best countries in the world to live" list?

At 3/30/07 04:06 AM, cellardoor6 wrote:
Examples: Animal cruelty,

they need 2 die
educational problems,
lol our schools are grrreat
healthcare problems etc...
oh noes i have to wait 7 hours at the hospital, oh well i dont have 2 pay

At 3/30/07 07:29 AM, Shadow-XII wrote:

At 3/30/07 07:27 AM, cellardoor6 wrote: Meh... Jesse lost anyway, anything else hereafter will just be a bonus.

Well thanks, fuckwit, you ruined my topic.

Im sure all of us are tired of you and whoever else you bitch against ruining topics. What the hell is it with your flaming and bitchery, anyway? Cant win an arguement IRL cos all the other boys and girls are bigger than you?

shut your fucking mouth you unfunny bbs faggot piece of trash. this topic was shit to begin with, and if anything cellardoor helped it last longer than it shouldve, so you should be thanking him. why dont you do what you said you would do two times already and fucking kill yourself? cellardoor fucking destroyed you all. FAGGOTS.

Hmm..I think you forgot ice fishing.

Your schedule lacks mounties.

At 3/30/07 07:38 AM, cellardoor6 wrote:

But I'd whoop you anyway

you couldn't 'whoop' anyone you sad little prick

At 3/30/07 03:54 AM, Shadow-XII wrote: Did I miss anything?

You forgot about hockey.

At 3/30/07 03:14 PM, zzzzd wrote:

At 3/30/07 07:38 AM, cellardoor6 wrote:

But I'd whoop you anyway

you couldn't 'whoop' anyone you sad little prick

he'd kick the fucking shit out of you, you fucking dumb british cunt faggot

hey guys double post

im insulted by this >:[.go crawl in your little cave you american bastard>:[.

At 3/30/07 03:54 AM, Shadow-XII wrote: Did I miss anything?

Yes, that fact that we dont do any of that stuff!

faggot.

i hate you i live in canada eh, no joke here guyts we live AWSOME