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At 4/3/07 10:13 PM, Dre-Man wrote:

So it was a nuclear explosion now? God damn science book is wrong then, I guess. My question posed to you is how did this little tiny rock, which weighed like trillions of earth tons, end up right in this little tiny spot, and then blow up into an infinite universe? Where did it come from, if not from our physical universe, or from a higher being? I keep hearing an alternate reality, but if such a reality can not be scientifically observed or understood, are not people who believe in such a pane of reality religious?

Well as others have pointed out the big bang wasn't actually an explosion in any classical sense of the word. As for alternate realities, there's no scientific theory dependent on them or that invoke them, they are simply interpretations of various phonomina.

So how do you explain this magical explosion from a tiny little pinhead of matter into an infinite universe? Where did this little pinhead come from? Where did our reality in itself come from? Where did the first, original, beginning piece of the entirety of reality in itself come from, if not from a higher being eh? You can't answer that question, can you? No one can. That's where faith steps in.

It wasn't magical. Going by string theory, the universe exist as a series of wave forms on the surface of two membranes in M space, if you don't know what any of this is, wikipedia is usually a good starting point. As for a starting point for all of reality, there isn't one in string theory. The M multivers is ether infinite in size or raps back around on it self. No faith is involved in this porocess.

And speaking of responding to post, you never did get back to my page 1 post :P

At 4/4/07 05:09 PM, Memorize wrote: Mathematically, you can divide any number an infinite amount of times.

No you can't. Take integers for example (-inf, ... , -3 , -2, -1, 0, 1, 2, 3, ..., inf). You can't divide these numbers by any arbitrary set of numbers and still end up with an integer. You can't even divide an integer by any other integer and end up with an integer. If you start with some arbitrary integer you can only divide it so many times before you've reached a point where it can no longer be divided, and still remain an integer. This is principle is important in physics because, in many systems there is no continuum (i.e. A set of real numbers).

At 4/5/07 12:03 AM, Memorize wrote: It's just that scientifically, the Universe has no end. Mathematically, it does. Wait... which to choose, which too choose!

I'm not sure where your getting this “no end” from. The universe dose have some bounds to it. Weather those bounds are the end boundaries is another matter, but at the very lest there is a beginning and what seams to be an end. Since physics is math, they are both in agreement.

At 4/5/07 12:15 AM, Draconias wrote: The contraction part is still up for debate-- I believe the current scientific view is that a Big Crunch won't happen this time, at least, not until after everything effectively fades out. However, that theory is a favorite of some because then the true answer of the origin can be safely tucked away impossibly far from the reach of Science. We obviously can't figure out the original start if trillions of full universes happened in the meantime since no evidence will still exist.

Since the universe's expansion is accelerating it's most probable that the universe will most likely expand with out end. However if the expansion is accelerating quick enough, it could possibly tear the universe apart. As for evidence of previous universes; eh, I don't think so. There's just to many complications when it's considered.

At 4/2/07 02:37 PM, Schmut wrote:

In the world of psychology, the memory has remained a mystery. How do we remember so much and why, when pieces of the brain are removed from a test subject, does the subject still remember how to do what it's meant to?
In the physical world, there are still many mysteries to be solved. For example, particles have shown behaviour that suggests somehow they are linked to other particles in the physical world no matter how much distance seperates them. It would seem that either a signal has been sent between at above the speed of light (impossible) or they are connected in some other way.
One common solution has been suggested for both these problems: the holographic universe. Basically a holgram is a mess of lines that produces a clear image when translated with light.

Well your more or less correct about memory, it is primarily holographic, but as for the universe I have to say no. At lest not in the way it's being suggested, it is true that spacetime can be folded around and geometrically altered and at a quantum level is “foamy”, it isn't a true hologram. The particle phenomenon your discussing is called entanglement and occurs where the wave function of two or more particles become inter dependent on each other. Take a two particle system, when you observe an entangled state of one particle the state of the other particle instantly becomes known. Now two possibility exist for entanglement:
1. The states of both particles where determined when there waveforms interacted.
2. The states of both particles where determined after they had been “observed”.
Case 1 is self explanatory nothing has moved faster then c. However in case 2 it would appear that something has traveled faster then c, but since the phenomenon doesn't carry “information” (the explanation of what is and isn't information is rather complex and drawn out so if you interested I'd recommend
wikipedia as an overview.) it isn't subject to relativity.

If the mind is a hologram and the universe is a hologram, then finally I can make the suggestion that the universe is God's mind. But I'm not quite done yet.

I'm sorry but no. The holographic nature of the mind is very different from the holographic form of the universe.

I don't believe the universe is all that there is. Anyone who knows about string theory will automatically understand the term multiverse. This multiverse contains all of infinity. Every parallel reality that is possible, exists. Any universe where the laws of physics are different to ours exists. So it's either infinity or close to it.

a lot of people get this confused about string theory, there doesn't have to be an infinite number of “parallel” universes, or any for that matter. As for the laws of physics, if string theory is correct then all multiverses would share the same set of string physics, now depending on how they formed they might experience classical, and quantum deviations from ours but the super set of physics (string physics) would be the same.

I apologize if I seam to have ripped up your post at all, you actually have some very good thoughts, but I just needed to clarify a few things.

At 4/5/07 02:50 AM, EndGameOmega wrote: It wasn't magical. Going by string theory, the universe exist as a series of wave forms on the surface of two membranes in M space, if you don't know what any of this is, wikipedia is usually a good starting point. As for a starting point for all of reality, there isn't one in string theory. The M multivers is ether infinite in size or raps back around on it self. No faith is involved in this porocess.

That in no way answers my question. Whether or not the universe consists of waves is irrelevant, what created the waves in the first place is.

At 4/4/07 09:13 PM, Dre-Man wrote:

At 4/4/07 11:58 AM, Drakim wrote: My best guess is that our understanding of existence is incomplete. Maybe there will be a clear theory about how something can arise from nothing in the future. Or, perhaps, there is nothing called "nothing" in our universe. Perhaps all that "nothing" it is filled with something that IS everything, and have always been.

But what you believe has no scientific standing, does that not make it religion?

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I said "my best guess" as in, I don't claim to know, nor that I directly believe it with all my heart. I mean, is every single thing you imagen that doesn't have a scientific theory a religion? I think they use some stuff to keep the milk from going sour, but I'm not sure. I've never scientifically tested it. OH NOES, ANOTHER RELIGION.

That in no way answers my question. Whether or not the universe consists of waves is irrelevant, what created the waves in the first place is.

You have quite a strange viewpoint. You take it for granted that everything had a start, unless they are super intelligent being who live in another reality, then they don't need to have a start.

Maybe waves came out of nothing? Maybe waves came from another reality? I don't think they did, but you seem to have a very hard "my example doesn't need any justification. But yours do".

Just why, can't there be an unintelligent force, like gravity, that caused it all? Why exactly can an intelligent force exist outside of time, but not one unintelligent?

At 4/5/07 11:33 AM, Drakim wrote:

At 4/4/07 09:13 PM, Dre-Man wrote: That in no way answers my question. Whether or not the universe consists of waves is irrelevant, what created the waves in the first place is.

You have quite a strange viewpoint. You take it for granted that everything had a start, unless they are super intelligent being who live in another reality, then they don't need to have a start.

Truly? In that case I guess we don't need the evolution or big bang theories because we can just assume that it had always been there! Brilliant conclusion, I applaud you.

You're the one with the strange viewpoint. Just because you can't answer that question doesn't mean it doesn't have an answer.

Maybe waves came out of nothing? Maybe waves came from another reality? I don't think they did, but you seem to have a very hard "my example doesn't need any justification. But yours do".

Bullshit, I justify my conclusions very well. I think that you don't dig deeply enough. WHERE DID THE VERY FIRST PANE OF REALITY COME FROM? That's the question I asked, and you answered it with nothing.

Just why, can't there be an unintelligent force, like gravity, that caused it all? Why exactly can an intelligent force exist outside of time, but not one unintelligent?

The intelligent "force" as you would so call it is believed to exist in an entirely different realm, not just reality. This realm is unfathomable to the human mind, as is the concept of a forever living God.

At 4/5/07 10:48 AM, Dre-Man wrote:

At 4/5/07 02:50 AM, EndGameOmega wrote: It wasn't magical. Going by string theory, the universe exist as a series of wave forms on the surface of two membranes in M space, if you don't know what any of this is, wikipedia is usually a good starting point. As for a starting point for all of reality, there isn't one in string theory. The M multivers is ether infinite in size or raps back around on it self. No faith is involved in this porocess.

That in no way answers my question. Whether or not the universe consists of waves is irrelevant, what created the waves in the first place is.

All right I can give you a point for this I didn't mention that the two membranes had come into contact, basically collided, with each other. The collision, caused wave formations acrossed the membranes. We and our universe exist as these waves. You see it's not just that the universe consists of waves, it is a wave. There will come a time when the membranes finally separate, and our universe will cease to be.

Sigh... Dre, I hate saying things like this but I honestly think the concept of string theory is currently beyond you. Did you even read up on the string theory and M theory, like I said you (and any one else for that matter) should? I gave you a good starting point at wikipedia . After that you might want to take one of the links off to M Theory.

At 4/5/07 11:41 AM, Dre-Man wrote:

At 4/5/07 11:33 AM, Drakim wrote:

At 4/4/07 09:13 PM, Dre-Man wrote: That in no way answers my question. Whether or not the universe consists of waves is irrelevant, what created the waves in the first place is.

You have quite a strange viewpoint. You take it for granted that everything had a start, unless they are super intelligent being who live in another reality, then they don't need to have a start.

Truly? In that case I guess we don't need the evolution or big bang theories because we can just assume that it had always been there! Brilliant conclusion, I applaud you.

I don't believe that. I think of it as one of several plausible explanations. God is also, in fact, one of those explanations. Believe it or not. I just don't think that God is more likely because it sounds nicer than the others.

You're the one with the strange viewpoint. Just because you can't answer that question doesn't mean it doesn't have an answer.

No, but just because we don't have an answer, doesn't mean there has to be a God. This seems to be the reasoning often used. As if God is the default answer, and if everything fails, we'll fall back on it.

Just why, can't there be an unintelligent force, like gravity, that caused it all? Why exactly can an intelligent force exist outside of time, but not one unintelligent?

The intelligent "force" as you would so call it is believed to exist in an entirely different realm, not just reality. This realm is unfathomable to the human mind, as is the concept of a forever living God.

Now YOU didn't answer my question. Why does that force need to be intelligent? Why does it need to have God-like concept?

Alright Drakim, explain this unintelligent force that you believe in. Remember, we're talking about an entirely different realm of existance, not just a different reality.