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At 4/3/07 10:13 PM, Dre-Man wrote:

At 4/3/07 10:05 PM, SolInvictus wrote: i said it was not an explosion per say and chemical explosions are weak in comparison to nuclear explosions.

So it was a nuclear explosion now?

i never said it was a nuclear explosion damnit. i never even said it was an explosion.

At 4/3/07 10:25 PM, SolInvictus wrote:

At 4/3/07 10:13 PM, Dre-Man wrote:

At 4/3/07 10:05 PM, SolInvictus wrote: i said it was not an explosion per say and chemical explosions are weak in comparison to nuclear explosions.

So it was a nuclear explosion now?

i never said it was a nuclear explosion damnit. i never even said it was an explosion.

Dude, the big bang theory is about a big fucking explosion... where have you been? And you still haven't responded to the rest of my post.

At 4/3/07 10:39 PM, Dre-Man wrote: Dude, the big bang theory is about a big fucking explosion... where have you been? And you still haven't responded to the rest of my post.

Dre....just....just stop....
I'm no science guy, and even I know that the theory is not about "a big fucking explosion"......

Baby Boomers don't actually SHOOT out babies either, in case you're wondering......

At 4/3/07 10:43 PM, Imperator wrote:

At 4/3/07 10:39 PM, Dre-Man wrote: Dude, the big bang theory is about a big fucking explosion... where have you been? And you still haven't responded to the rest of my post.

Dre....just....just stop....
I'm no science guy, and even I know that the theory is not about "a big fucking explosion"......

Baby Boomers don't actually SHOOT out babies either, in case you're wondering......

... Then... what the hell happened? What is the Big fucking Bang about, if not a Big fucking explosion? Last I heard, a pinhead of matter exploded, gas formed into planets and other massive bodies, and there you have an infinite universe. Is my science book wrong, or are you wrong?

technically neither. Your high school science book is just simplified to enable high school students to understand. It's a high school grade reading, and believe me when I say college is different. I'm sure the science guys could explain it, but I don't know if they are willing to give to you for free what they've spent several years (and $1000s) learning.....not to mention I don't think anyone has that kind of time in college anyways......

Think of it this way:

High schoolers learn "in 1492, Columbus sailed the ocean blue". They know he discovered America.

Undergrads learn more facts about Cristobal Colón, including his function as part of European colonization. They know he discovered South America, and that Amerigo Vespucci is what America is named after.

Grads learn about Colón in terms of Colonization and Barbarism, including writing their own complex theories on political violence and European mindsets under the pre-modern State (capital S). They also talk about cultures of violence in European expansionist mindsets.

But really, giving a 400 pg work on just the racism of Cristobal's invasion of the Americas, another work on the Colonization process of European expansion, a 20 pg article on the definition of "violence", etc etc, seems a bit much for a 15 year old, no?

At 4/3/07 10:50 PM, Dre-Man wrote: ... Then... what the hell happened? What is the Big fucking Bang about, if not a Big fucking explosion? Last I heard, a pinhead of matter exploded, gas formed into planets and other massive bodies, and there you have an infinite universe. Is my science book wrong, or are you wrong?

Your science book, like Imperator said, is simplified for easy understanding. There is no way to be able to teach the principles of how the "big bang" (holy misnomer, batman) came about before there has been a sufficient amount of groundwork laid down (i.e. lots and lots and lots of math). If you want, however, go to Wiki (good enough for basic primers) and look up "M-theory", "No-Boundary Proposal", "Quantum fluctuation", "Pair Creation", and any other interior link you find interesting.

Also, I would suggest a couple of books (real ones, can't really find online)... namely: A Brief History of Time (Stephen Hawking), The Dancing Wu Li Masters (author forgotten), and The God Particle (Leon Lederman). They'll give you a layman's basis for understanding what we think happened at the beginning.

i don't know if you science types can help me understand this, but as a response to creationists saying "well stuff can't come from nothing" i read about how at a certain point everything was equal to zero but it wasn't because there was nothing.
it obviously was a shortened response...i should probably look into the extra reading it pointed me to. damn physics.

At 4/4/07 01:09 AM, SolInvictus wrote: i don't know if you science types can help me understand this, but as a response to creationists saying "well stuff can't come from nothing" i read about how at a certain point everything was equal to zero but it wasn't because there was nothing.
it obviously was a shortened response...i should probably look into the extra reading it pointed me to. damn physics.

The best response to Creationists is thus:

God hates you because you touch yourself at night.

After that ignore any remarks made thereafter. Works every time!

At 4/4/07 01:13 AM, Imperator wrote: The best response to Creationists is thus:

God hates you because you touch yourself at night.

After that ignore any remarks made thereafter. Works every time!

its all right; i have a special book

but that mathematical work out of something being equal to nothing is making me curious.

there's this guy up above that controlls our life like the sims, but eventually we became to powerful with our minds that he could no longer control us with is computer. so he invented the country in which most of us know is the US. We cause and terrorize people to keep the population down why the fat guy on the computer laughs like we when we look at pictures of abortion

Is my science book wrong, or are you wrong?

Dre, I at least hope now you kind of understand are reasoning behind such statements as "you're still in high school", or 'attacks' against your age. It's not that we're trying to make fun of you, it's that we're trying to say you will only get the basics of what we're trying to explain in college.

There's a certain level of information that you need to process and understand before the things we say can be fully understood by you. We're not trying to feed you bullshit, at least things that aren't total bullshit. Just keep an open mind and have a little faith in those that have been in your shoes once in their lives, and you'll do fine. Carry this attitude over onto other threads and you'll find out that debate here can offer a LOT more, and people here aren't as dumb or against you as you think.

Happy Hunting

The answer is 13

You guys still haven't responded to the rest of my post at the beginning of page 4.

Well, I have a question to that, Dre.

How come the intelligent designer doesn't need to be created, but an universe does?

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My best guess is that our understanding of existence is incomplete. Maybe there will be a clear theory about how something can arise from nothing in the future. Or, perhaps, there is nothing called "nothing" in our universe. Perhaps all that "nothing" it is filled with something that IS everything, and have always been.

At 4/4/07 11:58 AM, Drakim wrote: My best guess is that our understanding of existence is incomplete. Maybe there will be a clear theory about how something can arise from nothing in the future. Or, perhaps, there is nothing called "nothing" in our universe. Perhaps all that "nothing" it is filled with something that IS everything, and have always been.

It is impossible for energy to be created, it can only be transformed, which means that matter was always, is and always will exist. So therefore there was NO time when there was 'nothing'. All very confusing...

At 4/4/07 12:29 PM, Mourits wrote: It is impossible for energy to be created, it can only be transformed, which means that matter was always, is and always will exist. So therefore there was NO time when there was 'nothing'. All very confusing...

Indeed. And if humanity ever figures it out, we will all be long dead. Bugger. XD

I meant to say "... energy cannot be created or destroyed ..."

(they should make an edit button)

oh yeah, explain dragon ball Z, they destroyed and created energy all the time.

At 4/3/07 10:50 PM, Dre-Man wrote:

At 4/3/07 10:43 PM, Imperator wrote:

At 4/3/07 10:39 PM, Dre-Man wrote: Dude, the big bang theory is about a big fucking explosion... where have you been? And you still haven't responded to the rest of my post.

Dre....just....just stop....
I'm no science guy, and even I know that the theory is not about "a big fucking explosion"......

... Then... what the hell happened? What is the Big fucking Bang about, if not a Big fucking explosion? Last I heard, a pinhead of matter exploded, gas formed into planets and other massive bodies, and there you have an infinite universe. Is my science book wrong, or are you wrong?

;
The idea of a big explosion is not considered correct by the scientific community.
(ok make it simple-sigh)

Google -Big Bang, go to a source besides wiki
Try a scientific journal , or astro physics.
A big explosion is a common misconception.
Experts say there was (and still continues today) to be an expansion.
Imagine
Like a infinitely small balloon expanding in size to its current size/shape today.

At 4/4/07 12:46 PM, toraneko1 wrote: oh yeah, explain dragon ball Z, they destroyed and created energy all the time.

DBZ is a cartoon >:(

High schoolers learn "in 1492, Columbus sailed the ocean blue". They know he discovered America.

BAH! Columbus couldn't navigate his way out of a grocery bag.

At 4/4/07 02:06 PM, morefngdbs wrote: Like a infinitely small balloon expanding in size to its current size/shape today.

"Infinitely small"?

At 4/4/07 03:42 PM, SpoogeRag wrote:

High schoolers learn "in 1492, Columbus sailed the ocean blue". They know he discovered America.

BAH! Columbus couldn't navigate his way out of a grocery bag.

At 4/4/07 02:06 PM, morefngdbs wrote: Like a infinitely small balloon expanding in size to its current size/shape today.

"Infinitely small"?

Imagine the center of a black hole. That small. Really, really small. Think as small as an atom than divide that in half. Do it again and again and again until you get something so small that you can't divide it. That small.

At 4/4/07 05:02 PM, navij11 wrote:

Imagine the center of a black hole. That small. Really, really small. Think as small as an atom than divide that in half. Do it again and again and again until you get something so small that you can't divide it. That small.

Mathematically, you can divide any number an infinite amount of times.

At 4/4/07 11:58 AM, Drakim wrote: Well, I have a question to that, Dre.

How come the intelligent designer doesn't need to be created, but an universe does?

Because he exists in an entirely different realm of being altogether, not just a different reality.

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My best guess is that our understanding of existence is incomplete. Maybe there will be a clear theory about how something can arise from nothing in the future. Or, perhaps, there is nothing called "nothing" in our universe. Perhaps all that "nothing" it is filled with something that IS everything, and have always been.

But what you believe has no scientific standing, does that not make it religion?

From what I understood (which wasnt much really) from a brief history of time, was that the main theory (or atleast one of the theories) isnt that there was an explosion. There was an expansion. Life or the universe is in a constant state of expanding and contracting, the universe expands until a certain point and then contracts again.

It contracts until it becomes incredibly small, but it cant explode because it is everything and it couldnt explode because it would have nothing to explode into.

At 4/4/07 03:35 PM, ForumGuy wrote:

At 4/4/07 12:46 PM, toraneko1 wrote: oh yeah, explain dragon ball Z, they destroyed and created energy all the time.

DBZ is a cartoon >:(

thats what the government wants us to think

At 4/4/07 05:09 PM, Memorize wrote:
Mathematically, you can divide any number an infinite amount of times.

Only in math, though. In physics there is a limit to infinities, namely the Planck Length 1.6x10^-35 meters. This is why motion and time are possible, and why there will be a "god" particle, the theoretical "Higgs Boson" that is the building block of everything.

At 4/4/07 11:41 PM, Ravariel wrote:

Only in math, though. In physics there is a limit to infinities, namely the Planck Length 1.6x10^-35 meters. This is why motion and time are possible, and why there will be a "god" particle, the theoretical "Higgs Boson" that is the building block of everything.

It's just that scientifically, the Universe has no end. Mathematically, it does. Wait... which to choose, which too choose!

I'd pick the first cause mathematics have failed alot of famous people.

At 4/4/07 09:50 PM, fahrenheit wrote: It contracts until it becomes incredibly small, but it cant explode because it is everything and it couldnt explode because it would have nothing to explode into.

The contraction part is still up for debate-- I believe the current scientific view is that a Big Crunch won't happen this time, at least, not until after everything effectively fades out. However, that theory is a favorite of some because then the true answer of the origin can be safely tucked away impossibly far from the reach of Science. We obviously can't figure out the original start if trillions of full universes happened in the meantime since no evidence will still exist.