Why drugs are illegal!

[TheSovereign]

It isn't because they're harmful, if that were the case; smokes, booze, and fatty foods would be long gone.

It isn't because they make you realize anything. Some hippy taking a hit of acid is gonna see a lot of weird shit, but not a government conspiracy.

It's because they make you useless. From the 13 year old who'd rather smoke pot and play video games to the crack hoe who blows her dealer for a hit. These two examples of drug users are useless. They don't work, entertain, or benefit society in anyway.

America doesn't want a bunch of lazy stoners who sit around all day munching chips and laughing to bad movies. K?

[Dre-Man]

At 3/27/07 02:22 PM, TheSovereign wrote: It's because they make you useless. From the 13 year old who'd rather smoke pot and play video games to the crack hoe who blows her dealer for a hit. These two examples of drug users are useless. They don't work, entertain, or benefit society in anyway.

And by wasting away on this forum bitching about it, you're not useless? I'd go more along the lines of pathetic.

America doesn't want a bunch of lazy stoners who sit around all day munching chips and laughing to bad movies. K?

Do you even know someone who smokes pot? Do you know someone who drops acid on a daily basis? Do you KNOW someone that does a couple of lines of coke a day? I'm guessing not. A guy can go to work every day to a decent job with good pay, benefit society, and still drop acid every other weekend if he's in the mood.

[Tomsan]

At 3/27/07 02:22 PM, TheSovereign wrote: It isn't because they're harmful, if that were the case; smokes, booze, and fatty foods would be long gone.

It isn't because they make you realize anything. Some hippy taking a hit of acid is gonna see a lot of weird shit, but not a government conspiracy.

It's because they make you useless. From the 13 year old who'd rather smoke pot and play video games to the crack hoe who blows her dealer for a hit. These two examples of drug users are useless. They don't work, entertain, or benefit society in anyway.

Only if taken excessivly. like alcohol, and fat food... there is no difference between drugs and alcohol.
If your gonna ban drugs start with the one people use the most ALCOHOL!!! but I think all non harming drugs should be legal (smoking pot included even if it does do some lungdamage)

[Eoewe]

Marijuana is illegal because it cannot easily be controlled or taxed properly.

Drugs are too narcissistic to be legal. Society and civilization should be in the end about the whole.

But not econimically lol.

[packow]

Anyone who spends their life constantly intoxicated, no matter what substance (case in point alcohol) is unlikely to become a productive member of society. There is nothing about any certain drug in particular that makes people lazy.

[ForumGuy]

The reason is that the government doesn't want to break tradition and legalize them.

Also, some drugs can be dangerous.

[MortifiedPenguins]

At 3/27/07 03:43 PM, packow wrote: Anyone who spends their life constantly intoxicated, no matter what substance (case in point alcohol) is unlikely to become a productive member of society. There is nothing about any certain drug in particular that makes people lazy.

Except massive brain trauma and being stuck on federal welfare for the rest of thier life.

Thats the main reason the government probally doesn't want drugs to be legalized, our current welfare system would mean that any fuckhead that OD's and survives will be entitled to welfare from the government.

I'm all for legalization if we change our welfare laws.

[homs]

At 3/27/07 02:22 PM, TheSovereign wrote:

America doesn't want a bunch of lazy stoners who sit around all day munching chips and laughing to bad movies. K?

Okay, I smoke pot, but that doesn't mean I can sit through Epic Movie, Date Movie, Little Man, or any other of those rediculous slapstick pukefests that are marketed to me without gouging my eyes out halfway through.

Also, another thing- Eating chips is NOT a crime, regardless of how long of a duration you spend doing it.

At 3/27/07 02:28 PM, Dre-Man wrote: Do you even know someone who smokes pot? Do you know someone who drops acid on a daily basis? Do you KNOW someone that does a couple of lines of coke a day? I'm guessing not. A guy can go to work every day to a decent job with good pay, benefit society, and still drop acid every other weekend if he's in the mood.

Exactly. like I said- I smoke pot (quite frequently actually) and I still manage decent grades (3.2-ish GPA isn't bad eh?), and when i'm high, i dont sit around and watch bad movies and eat chips, as sovereign seems to think i would. When I'm stoned, I'm far from lazy. I'm most likely to go out and skate (stereotypes are a bitch) than sit on "pete's couch for 11 hours" like the ads on TV would have you believe.

Also, if smoking pot might interfere with the rest of my life, I can easily just not do it. For example- I recently needed to get a job. However, when you get hired, many companies will drug test you (at least when you are seventeen and have just been hired to work retail). SO, for a month and a half, I didn't smoke pot. No problem.

Basically what I'm getting at is that pot (I cant speak for other drugs, I've only smoked pot... and PCP (my friend didn't tell me that it was laced shit, so i did end up watching Metalacolypse on YouTube for about 3 hours) but the PCP was a total accident on my part) doesn't have to interfere with your life, and as Dre-Man said, you can still be a responsible citizen.

[homs]

At 3/27/07 02:59 PM, Eoewe wrote: Marijuana is illegal because it cannot easily be controlled or taxed properly.

Could someone explain why it's hard to tax pot? Either way, I'm pretty sure if the government tried, they could tax it. the US government is the king of all tax men- they could figure it out.

[Draconias]

At 3/27/07 02:28 PM, Dre-Man wrote: Do you even know someone who smokes pot?

Yes, and he barely accomplishes anything, even the simple task of doing homework for school. Things like video games and forums can chew up a lot of time, but drugees can't stop until the high is over-- and they usually don't do much afterwards, either.

Do you know someone who drops acid on a daily basis? Do you KNOW someone that does a couple of lines of coke a day? I'm guessing not.

No, not one on a daily basis or one doing it several times per day, but I find it interesting how you put heavy qualifications on acid and coke, but not on marijuana. Is that because low-level users of marijuana can appear okay, so you wanted them used as examples? Or because you thought the connection with the heavy use of the hardcore drugs would dissuade anyone from bringing up a marijuana example because you don't actually want to hear it?

A guy can go to work every day to a decent job with good pay, benefit society, and still drop acid every other weekend if he's in the mood.

Yes. But how often does it stay like that, and how often do they crash and burn because of the drugs when the going gets a bit tougher?

At 3/27/07 02:58 PM, Tomsan wrote: Only if taken excessivly. like alcohol, and fat food... there is no difference between drugs and alcohol.

Now you're wrong there. America has a strong set of cultural guidelines to control alcohol use: usually drinkers do it at night, often at the start of a weekend, and recover with only a hangover in the morning. The addictiveness of alcohol isn't bad enough to really drive it beyond that, and centuries of Americans have demonstrated how alcohol and a working life can be integrated. Most modern drug users have only shown the exact opposite.

If your gonna ban drugs start with the one people use the most ALCOHOL!!! but I think all non harming drugs should be legal (smoking pot included even if it does do some lungdamage)

No, start with the most dangerous, in terms of safety and societal effectiveness. That's what is actually happening: why do you think Smoking has been on the way out? It's not just that it harms users, but that it makes them less effective in the social and business worlds (smelly, stained teeth, more work breaks, etc.).

[Narusegawa]

Hitler conquered nations while using amphetamines.

[MortifiedPenguins]

At 3/27/07 05:05 PM, BigScizot wrote: Hitler conquered nations while using amphetamines.

And his Empire fell apart because of them.

[Nylo]

At 3/27/07 02:22 PM, TheSovereign wrote: America doesn't want a bunch of lazy stoners who sit around all day munching chips and laughing to bad movies. K?

Thanks for sharing your insight on a website that hosts cartoon movies of animals getting their balls blown off.

[Dre-Man]

At 3/27/07 05:08 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 3/27/07 05:05 PM, BigScizot wrote: Hitler conquered nations while using amphetamines.

And his Empire fell apart because of them.

His empire fell apart because he attacked Russia. Both he and Napolean made the same tactical mistakes.

[Nylo]

At 3/27/07 05:08 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 3/27/07 05:05 PM, BigScizot wrote: Hitler conquered nations while using amphetamines.

And his Empire fell apart because of them.

That's such a stupid comment, I can only respond to one equally stupid: You're soft on terrorism.

[MortifiedPenguins]

At 3/27/07 05:15 PM, Dre-Man wrote:

At 3/27/07 05:08 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 3/27/07 05:05 PM, BigScizot wrote:

His empire fell apart because he attacked Russia. Both he and Napolean made the same tactical mistakes.

From this point on, the quality of Hitler's military judgment became increasingly erratic and Germany's military and economic position deteriorated. Hitler's health was deteriorating too. His left hand started shaking uncontrollably. The biographer Ian Kershaw and UM neurology head Abraham Lieberman[19] believes he suffered from Parkinson's disease. Other conditions that are suspected by some to have caused some (at least) of his symptoms are methamphetamine addiction and syphilis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler#Path_to_d efeat

[Dre-Man]

So, according to Mortified Penguins, if it weren't for drugs, we'd all be speaking German right now.

HOORAH FOR TEH LSD!

[Eoewe]

You can't tax pot because there already is a well placed system to deliver it. It is illegal and very easy to get. If it became legal it would automatically become even easier and the prices would drop. People would lose money and the government couldn't control anything except if it's illegal or not. It's a hardy plant and can grow virtually anywhere.

[InsertFunnyUserName]

First off, stop making new drug threads; bump the old ones.

Anyways, no. Not all drugs make you useless like the government would like you to believe. With pot especially, you can still can get good grades in school and get a good job even if you use.

Contrary to popular beliefe, not all drugs are dealthy addictive. Pot is barly addictive and acid is only phsychologically addictive.

So don't make judgements intirely on what the government tries to shove down your throught. Okay?

[packow]

I smoke pot and have a 4.2 GPA, stereotypes are not your friends.

[Eoewe]

People are actually surprised that I smoke. When I smoke I don't smoke that much and only use it to relax.

[Sesshomaru-Demon]

Who gives a shit if they do harm,Soverign?! I mean, does the government really care about us! its just not fuckin worth it!!!

[Scythian]

I think you are all wrong. Drugs are illegal because the government doesnt want to take responsibility for the death of people and the family reaction. For an example LSD was made by the government. They dont wanna be responsible for screwing up society so they keep us regular kids and adults away from it.

[Sesshomaru-Demon]

U have 2 love coke? Otherwise,what else would i be smoking when my mom aint lookin LMFAO!

[Sesshomaru-Demon]

Sythian i don't give a fuck! Besides,if it werent 4 LSD the guy who drove on a trip joke wouldnt have originated!

[Sesshomaru-Demon]

Help!!!! No matter how many times i try u cant seem 2 post a reply type of comment! Some1 plz tell me how!!!!!

[Elfer]

At 3/27/07 02:59 PM, Eoewe wrote: Marijuana is illegal because it cannot easily be controlled or taxed properly.

Right, so let's make it illegal so it's IMPOSSIBLE to tax, and we have to spend tax dollars enforcing the laws against it. Makes perfect sense.

Even if drugs made you useless, which they don't, isn't a reason to make them illegal, because you can still get them.

Legalising drugs would take a lot of the profit motive out of violent crimes, and make it a lot easier to control the production and distribution of drugs. Not to mention, it would free up a ridiculous amount of tax dollars.

And you know what we could do with all that money? We could really buckle down and start to deal with the drug problem.

[Narusegawa]

At 3/27/07 05:08 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 3/27/07 05:05 PM, BigScizot wrote: Hitler conquered nations while using amphetamines.

And his Empire fell apart because of them.

Hey man, I'm just saying that not all drugs make you lazy.

[Elfer]

At 3/27/07 05:08 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 3/27/07 05:05 PM, BigScizot wrote: Hitler conquered nations while using amphetamines.

And his Empire fell apart because of them.

You know, if you can find me a historian who has published a paper about how the main cause of the fall of the Third Reich was a result of amphetamines, I'd be very surprised.