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Forum Topic: Is Global Warming A Total Scam???

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Before you answer this question I'd like you to watch this movie.

http://www.jonhs.net/freemovies/great_global_
warming_swindle.htm

This movie completely changed my mind, I've seen 'An Inconvenient Truth' several times and even went to see Al Gore in person when he came to my hometown, he gave a presentation 'After An Inconvenient Truth' where he basically went through his whole slideshow and mentioned just a few other pieces of scientific data.

I was completely convinced that he was right, and that Global Warming was the real deal.

After watching this movie, my eyes are open! Now I believe that Al Gore grossly misrepresented the issue for his own monetary profits, to advance his political agenda, and other personal agendas (I'm not talking from a conservative view, I would have preferred Gore to Bush in office).

One notable thing is when he is showing the relationship between temperature and Co2, he says the relationship is 'complicated', and yes, they do fit together, but he never mentions that Co2 FOLLOWS temperature by 500 to 800 years, meaning, first temperature rises, THEN Co2 rises, the reason is because the oceans contain the majority of Earth's Co2 and it literally takes them hundreds of years to warm up when temperatures rise, when they warm up, they evaporate more, thus releasing more Co2--- but Co2 does NOT cause the temperature to rise.

#1.For one thing, there are many cases in which there was a LOT more Co2 in the atmosphere than there is now, even 10 times more, and temperatures were not much affected.

#2. People are not the biggest cause of Co2, Volcanoes release more than all humans and all industry combined, animals release more than volcanoes, plants release more than animals, and the oceans release more than all of them. So the idea that humans are causing huge Co2 levels is ridiculous.

#3. There is an extremely small amount of Co2 in the atmosphere anyway, just a few parts per million, and a very small percentage of atmospheric gases are greenhouse gases, thus their temperature effect, especially compared to solar radiation and cloud cover is very minute.

#4. There are times in history when the globe was much warmer than it is now and the end of the world never happened.

#5. The link between industry and rising temperatures doesn't fit, most of warming happened between 1900 and 1940, 1940 to 1970- the post war 'boom', which had about the most intensive industrial action ever, temperature was actually getting cooler, total warming for the 20th century was about .5 degrees Celsius, or .9 degrees Farenheit (which is not that significant, on a comparative historical basis).

#6. Different species, like the polar bears for instance, survived warmer temperatures in the past, coral reefs dying is linked to pollution, but probably has more to do with the ph of the oceans changing (because of pollution).

#7. As far as glaciers and ice caps go, including the 'disappearing' arctic ice cap, they have always fluctuated and are in a constant state of change, many experts say there is absolutely nothing alarming about today's situation.

So basically, much of the 'science' presented by Global Warming campaigners is totally bunk, and has its actual roots in propaganda, sensationalism, political agendas, industry, and beurecratic profiteering. ---

The sick part is, it is a huge force in keeping developing countries from developing (by stunting their industrial growth). Meanwhile 2 billion people are without electricity and barriers are being put up to prevent them from ever getting it, because of this Global Warming fiasco, millions of people die every year because they have to cook with fire in their homes, they die from cancers and other diseases caused by breathing smoke, or just straight up carbon monoxide poisoning-- indoor smoke is the DEADLIEST form of pollution in the world-- because they don't have access to cleaner energy.

All this, and Global Warming sensationalists are helping to prevent them from escaping misery, poverty, and death.

Seems pretty sick to me.

What do you all think?


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Are you blind? There's already Global Warming topic on the front page.


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At 3/23/07 06:16 AM, JudgeDredd wrote: Are you blind? There's already Global Warming topic on the front page.

Yeah, I'm blind, I didn't look....


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all uve put is the same as that channel 4 show but this is much more boring


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I've seen the movie and I completely understand of what you are talking about. Though, I think the reason why people think it's "Global Warming" is because of the misassumption of the polar ice caps and pollutant heavy industry, or better yet, cars in very dense areas like the over-crowded city of Los Angeles.


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Ive said for years that global warming was bull

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and even though it may occur to you people that GW is a "Scam", you still insist on not doing the moraly upright thing and pollute less?...

correct me if im wrong but, 4000 years ago, we wherent making sinthetic plastics, that take a millenia to decompose, so

becuase you are convinced that GW is a hoax, ruining the envionment is just fine?...

L-A-Z-Y-N-E-S-S

and maby, it may occure that the reason this documentary was made is because someone was making a quick buck or was afraid to change...

all tis documentary did for me give me a nice chuckle or two and mabe me glad that im not legaly old enough to drive alone yet.


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I was thinking about this, the oceans and CO2.
Volume & Density.

Is is possible in the long run that we create so much CO2 that the ocean can not take in all of it so it just stays in the atmosphere? Would this lead to something eventually.

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At 3/27/07 10:25 PM, Culpeo wrote: and even though it may occur to you people that GW is a "Scam", you still insist on not doing the moraly upright thing and pollute less?...

No...not at all. The morally upright thing is taking care of the environment WITHOUT being lied to about it. Just because I do not believe GW is something that is man's fault or that we can do something about; does not mean I am justifying pollution either. That is all on you man.


correct me if im wrong but, 4000 years ago, we wherent making sinthetic plastics, that take a millenia to decompose, so

About 10,000 years ago we began an upwards trend in terms of CO2 that would seem to indicate that the level of CO2 in the atmosphere is part of a natural cycle. And this was about 9,940 years before we began making plastics...


becuase you are convinced that GW is a hoax, ruining the envionment is just fine?...

L-A-Z-Y-N-E-S-S

YOU are reading this into the position of many of us who believe that GW is a hoax, and this is something that simply is not true. I do not believe that ruining the environment is just fine. I believe in protecting it, but not


and maby, it may occure that the reason this documentary was made is because someone was making a quick buck or was afraid to change...

Yeah...and Al Gore wasN'T trying to make a buck. And oh by the way; last week when he testified before Congress he refused to take the pledge he advocates in his movie...


all tis documentary did for me give me a nice chuckle or two and mabe me glad that im not legaly old enough to drive alone yet.

You'll learn. Give it a few decades of seeing how the GW "science" is consistently wrong...

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I always assumed it to be bull anyway... but now I'm evne more sure that it's bull. Thanks for the video. Even if it was happening... I'm sick of the idiot environmentalist scientists screaming "OH TEH NOEZ! ONE FUCKING DEGREE IN THE LAST 6 BILLION YEARS!!!"


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Maybe you should do some background before you post these things, so you don't look like an idiot.

That TV special has so many holes in it that you could sink a ship... and this is coming from someone who is doubtful of GW.

The producer of the film used out of date and data he knew of which to be false just to make a claim. Even Channel 4 News is distancing themselves away from the movie and producer.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives /2007/03/swindled/
http://www.medialens.org/alerts/07/0313pure_p ropaganda_the.php


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At 3/27/07 11:43 PM, theDeity wrote:
That TV special has so many holes in it that you could sink a ship... and this is coming from someone who is doubtful of GW.

You want to know what's sad about those links?

That they all gave answers like this: "Not quite as true as they said, but basically correct" (the 800 year lag between temp and Co2).

I'm sorry, but if you call that refuting, it's rather a pathetic way of doing it.


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At 3/27/07 11:47 PM, Memorize wrote: You want to know what's sad about those links?

That they all gave answers like this: "Not quite as true as they said, but basically correct" (the 800 year lag between temp and Co2).

I'm sorry, but if you call that refuting, it's rather a pathetic way of doing it.

I know you're a troll, but seriously, don't mislead people like that again. Being a politics reg you should know full well that most people are only likely to glance at the link.


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Son, once a mod comes lurking around in this thread your sure as hell going to get this shit deleted so id go hide and make several accounts or your screwed......or you could bribe them with online stock lol


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At 3/28/07 05:59 PM, zero-gravity wrote: Son, once a mod comes lurking around in this thread your sure as hell going to get this shit deleted so id go hide and make several accounts or your screwed......or you could bribe them with online stock lol

You're not clever nor are you funny. Any idiot can tell that a thread is only deleted if it is spam, which this isn't.

As for GW, I believe in it, but I believe Hollywood liberals use it to line their own pockets and further their marxist/socialist agenda of the government superceding all business.

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I don't think that Global Warming is as bad as they say it is. We are still progressing away from an ice age and could be considered the counterpart to global warming. Which would mean it is a cycle and cannot be controlled.


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At 3/28/07 05:40 PM, Peter-II wrote:
I know you're a troll, but seriously, don't mislead people like that again. Being a politics reg you should know full well that most people are only likely to glance at the link.

I read the entire thing. And here's what I got in summary: "They're basically correct...". That's not very good and is essentially a waste of time on their part.


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At 3/27/07 10:28 PM, BlisteringFreakachuu wrote: "Did One Degree Celsius Really Rise?" - The Truth At Last!

People who compare people who are uncertain about global warming to holocaust deniers are absolute idiots.

Plus theres that whole issue that if GW advocates are wrong, they will kill the world economy causing all kinds of lovely joys for the poor.

Hooray! Starvation and homelessness for everyone!

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At 3/28/07 08:10 PM, Memorize wrote: I read the entire thing. And here's what I got in summary: "They're basically correct...". That's not very good and is essentially a waste of time on their part.

That's a pretty shitty summary. But then, I'd expect that kind of confirmation bias from a troll.


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Scam..?

Who the hell would make money off of telling us to pollute less?

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At 3/29/07 01:03 PM, Jizzlebang wrote: Scam..?

Who the hell would make money off of telling us to pollute less?

Al Gore

Physicists (Nuclear power=clean energy=more jobs for physicists)

Easier time for academics to get federal funding.

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At 3/29/07 11:39 AM, Peter-II wrote: That's a pretty shitty summary. But then, I'd expect that kind of confirmation bias from a troll.

Might I add that out of the entire movie, they ONLY had 3 things to "semi-refute"?

Interesting.

It's so great how I can get people below my level. Haha!


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At 3/29/07 06:56 PM, Memorize wrote:
At 3/29/07 11:39 AM, Peter-II wrote: That's a pretty shitty summary. But then, I'd expect that kind of confirmation bias from a troll.
Might I add that out of the entire movie, they ONLY had 3 things to "semi-refute"?

Interesting.

It's so great how I can get people below my level. Haha!

They covered the three main points. The other link did a more thorough point-by-point refutation.


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At 3/29/07 07:24 PM, Peter-II wrote:
They covered the three main points. The other link did a more thorough point-by-point refutation.

Heh, whatever you say. They hardly cover any points at all. And as i've already said, when you refute something by saying "basicaly correct", it's not worth a look.


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Always believe everything you hear in a documentary by a guy who's previous films include When Breast Implants Explode.

Or when the "science" involved says all of the caarbon in the atmosphere is from volcanic eruptions and when the leaves fall in the autumn, yet forgets to mention:
1.) Deforestation not counterbalancing the carbon.
2.) Carbon being pumped into the atmpsphere since the 19th Century at a rate of knots.

Most of the people holding this documentary up are those who have a chip on their shoulder that people criticise them for driving their Chelsea Tractors half a mile to drop the kids off to school. The rest are slightly more stupid, but a lot less selfish.

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At 3/29/07 01:07 PM, TheMason wrote:
At 3/29/07 01:03 PM, Jizzlebang wrote: Scam..?

Who the hell would make money off of telling us to pollute less?
Al Gore

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Physicists (Nuclear power=clean energy=more jobs for physicists)

Hey wait, I'm a physics major! >B(

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They don't say its basically correct. If yo actually knew HOW to read you would see that, in the case of solar influence for example, that while it is real science and has an effect on global warming it is a very minor effect and that they omitted that fact and that, my friend, is lying by omission.


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Global Warming is not a scam it is a global threat.

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At 3/31/07 07:01 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote: Global Warming is not a scam it is a global threat.

How so?


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