Cross Turkey on your banknotes !

[Svoboda]

Everyday our leaders march us, against our wishes, towards the integration of Turkey into Europe.

This forced march is being imposed upon us in the name of a bloc politics very directly inspired by the United States foreign policy and markets. Bloc politics: the system of "bloc politics" is one in which nations have organized themselves into groups based on areas of mutual interest. These blocs tend to be made up of nations with similar political, historical or cultural backgrounds. But Turkey is NO PART of the European bloc by any stretch of imagination, be it on sociological, historical, geographical, cultural, political, or religious grounds.

The citizens of Europe, by a majority of more than 65%, DO NOT WANT Turkey in the Union. But, once again, their leaders refuse to listen to them.

Show your disagreement and voice your opposition by marking Turkey with a red cross on all your banknotes, in the bottom right-hand corner of the map of Europe at the verso of every Euro. Easy to do, that is clear, that is precise, free of hatred, and it spreads a powerful message !

Your banknotes remain legal tender which cannot be refused !

Look at my sig :)

[Der-Lowe]

Isn't it illegal to write on bank notes?

[JohnnyWang]

Personally, I'd welcome them to the EU with certain precautions if they'd improve their human rights situation.

[Svoboda]

At 3/22/07 12:41 PM, Der-Lowe wrote: Isn't it illegal to write on bank notes?

It is illegal when you write on security marks or serial numbers. But you can cross the Turkey without risks.

[Der-Lowe]

At 3/22/07 01:30 PM, Svoboda wrote:

At 3/22/07 12:41 PM, Der-Lowe wrote: Isn't it illegal to write on bank notes?

It is illegal when you write on security marks or serial numbers. But you can cross the Turkey without risks.

Well, ok then.
Back to the topic, I think the main reason for blocks of countries is to be able to defend themselves better from bigger countries (the US, China), and that .6 trillion dollars of GDP won't hurt the EU. Turkey is not as developed both socially and economically as west Europe (France, Germany, the UK), but the same happens with the eastern block. I am of the opinion that the more, the merrier, so I am in favor of a bigger EU, but differences you mentioned are true, however I don't think they are strong enough to prevent Turkey to join the EU.

[fli]

I know something is up with Turkey when I watched the BBC...
BUT.

I'm still a Yank.

Can you give the background of the situation?
And, why are you a Turkisk opponent?

[Draconias]

At 3/22/07 11:50 AM, Svoboda wrote: But Turkey is NO PART of the European bloc by any stretch of imagination, be it on sociological, historical, geographical, cultural, political, or religious grounds.

Ever heard of the Byzantine Empire, bud? They owned Turkey for a long time. Troy was in Turkey as well ("Asia Minor" of many classical texts). Lots of key Greek trading partners and cultural centers were there. So what if Muslims overran the place at one point-- there's still a connection.

[Svoboda]

Turkey is a muslim country. Their culture isn't european. Their territory isn't in Europe neither. Those reasons are enough not to accept Turkey in Europe.

I even think we should pluck this arrogant Turkey which want to give lessons to us... They don't even respect human rights and they say we are too much on ourselves.

[Der-Lowe]

At 3/22/07 03:14 PM, Svoboda wrote: Turkey is a muslim country. Their culture isn't european. Their territory isn't in Europe neither.

Well, they have a little territory in Europe next to Greece...

:Those reasons are enough not to accept Turkey in Europe.

Well, I guess they're valid, although, like I said, I think it's more about the money; the reasons you gave are not really that strong.

I even think we should pluck this arrogant Turkey which want to give lessons to us... They don't even respect human rights

The only thing I read about that is the strong political position of the military, and that it has death penalty, and that it should eliminate the death penalty in order to enter the EU, but I haven't read anything of violation of human rights.

and they say we are too much on ourselves.

poor countries tend to say that...

If you accept Turkey you may potentially grow balls perhaps?

[SolInvictus]

Constantinople FTW!!!

[MortifiedPenguins]

At 3/22/07 02:38 PM, fli wrote:

Can you give the background of the situation?
And, why are you a Turkisk opponent?

There never really considered to be part of Europe rather then being part of the Middle East.

Funny, Europe is having massive immigration and assimaltion problems, but they do nothing aabout it.

Turkey wanting into the EU on the other hand.

[JohnnyWang]

At 3/22/07 04:39 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote: Funny, Europe is having massive immigration and assimaltion problems, but they do nothing aabout it.

Really? I haven't really heard of those. The main problems in that area I know of are human smuggling and the slave-like use of immigrant labour in Spanish farms.

At 3/22/07 05:15 PM, JohnnyWang wrote: the slave-like use of immigrant labour in Spanish farms.

Those Spanish dogs!

[MortifiedPenguins]

At 3/22/07 05:15 PM, JohnnyWang wrote:

At 3/22/07 04:39 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

Really? I haven't really heard of those. The main problems in that area I know of are human smuggling and the slave-like use of immigrant labour in Spanish farms.

France, Spain and the Netherlands have had massive immigrant protests and rallies. France has had numerous rallies.

The Immigrants are no longer assmiliating to to the culture, hell the Dutch have to show videos of what thier culture is to incoming immigrants incase they don't agree with it.

[Korriken]

At 3/22/07 03:46 PM, Der-Lowe wrote:

only thing I read about that is the strong political position of the military, and that it has death penalty, and that it should eliminate the death penalty in order to enter the EU, but I haven't read anything of violation of human rights.

those are good reasons to invite them in, if the eu gets invaded they can protect you, if someone commits atrocious crimes, you have someone that will... take care of them... for you.

[lapis]

At 3/22/07 06:38 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote: the Netherlands have had massive immigrant protests and rallies.

You might want to link to a news source for this one because I've been living here for about 21 years and I have no idea what you're alking about.

[Kasualty]

For a while I marked out the "god" part of "in god we trust" off dollars and wrote "science" in its place. TEEHEEHEE.

[Kasualty]

At 3/22/07 02:38 PM, fli wrote: I know something is up with Turkey when I watched the BBC...
BUT.

I'm still a Yank.

Can you give the background of the situation?
And, why are you a Turkisk opponent?

Because they're muslims and are trying to take over Europe and the world. I really feel like there will be another "cleansing" in Europe soon.

Le Penn a l'elysee.

[Karzand]

I agree Turkey should not be in the EU. As a proud Yank I believe anyhting that could weaken the EU is helpful for evidence here's some facts.

Turkey ranked 9th in active troops
Germany, the leading EU country in active troop numbers, ranks 19th.

Source of active duty information: Center for Strategic and International Studies 2006 and Jaffa Center of Strategic Studies

[Memorize]

At 3/22/07 04:39 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

Funny, Europe is having massive immigration and assimaltion problems, but they do nothing aabout it.

What's ironic is how I don't hear Europe complaining about how the US handles illegals coming from Mexico anymore.

[UWDarDar17]

Well...here's a thought...

If the Europeans are bitching so much about all the Muslims in countries such as France, the UK, the Netherlands, etc., then wouldn't making Turkey a part of the EU be useful? Since I know that traveling from EU country to EU country is easier than Union member to non-Union member, wouldn't Muslims start flocking to Turkey? Or are you expecting a deluge of Turkish immigrants to your Christian borders?

Either way...you could probably do well with Turkey...pressure them into becoming a fully "European", civil country without the human rights issues. I mean, isn't that one of the primary purposes of the European Union- to improve the lot of all member countries? Or is its purpose to produce pretty-looking money in interesting denominations (2 cent coin?) and gripe about how English chocolate shouldn't be called chocolate because it doesn't meet Swiss/Belgian standards?

[Der-Lowe]

At 3/22/07 07:56 PM, UWDarDar17 wrote: Well...here's a thought...

If the Europeans are bitching so much about all the Muslims in countries such as France, the UK, the Netherlands, etc., then wouldn't making Turkey a part of the EU be useful? Since I know that traveling from EU country to EU country is easier than Union member to non-Union member, wouldn't Muslims start flocking to Turkey? Or are you expecting a deluge of Turkish immigrants to your Christian borders?

I think the latter would take place, Turkey's GDP per capita is not very high by European standards, and it is very doubtful that it would attract people. A

Either way...you could probably do well with Turkey...pressure them into becoming a fully "European", civil country without the human rights issues.

I'm not European (yet) but I think that's what they are doing.

I mean, isn't that one of the primary purposes of the European Union- to improve the lot of all member countries?

I think the main purpose is not being swallowed by larger countries, like I've said before.

[Razz]

I doubt they'll know what your intention was by simply putting an X on a banknote. Starting a formal petition or something close instead will show your side and opinion better, as it also tells what you wanted to happen. Putting an X on a banknote only looks like some douchebag writing in currency.

[Boltrig]

At 3/22/07 07:44 PM, Memorize wrote:

What's ironic is how I don't hear Europe complaining about how the US handles illegals coming from Mexico anymore.

Why would we? Its the US' issue, and its their choice on how they want to deal with it.

[JoS]

Turkey is also a full member of NATO. I missed the aprt where Turkey was anywhere near the Atlantic.

[HighlyIllogical]

For one, it's barely on the European continent...it's not culturally european, nor ethnically, either. I see no reason to let a country that abuses human rights and is backwards (less so than it's Arab neighbors, though) into the EU.

[Slat]

Wow lots of ignorant people out there..

1) There's no death penalty in Turkey.. Actually our laws are fucked up because of EU.. They changed all the strict laws.. You beat the shit out of someone and steal all of his cash nothing happens.. You shoot someone, you get out after 10 years.. I have to carry a knife and a pepper spray sometimes..Fucking EU..

2) No Turk with a brain wants to join EU, actually we hate it. They want us to open the armenian border (which we never will), retreat from Cyrpus (no fucking way we'll never give anything to Greeks).. They want us to apply all those shitty laws which makes the crime rate really really high..

3) There still are idiots thinking that we're fucking camels on the desert.. Actually there are no deserts in Turkey (only a little area close to iranian and iraqian border) and we dont look like arabs.. Our skins are not black or tanned. We're WHITE..(except kurds they're somewhat darker, well who cares about them anyway) Yes some idiots i meet on the internet still asks those..

4) We dont violate human rights anymore!! It was back in 1980 damnit why dont you assholes get it..! Back then, our police could even make a gangraped corpse confess its crime..

5)They treat minorites shit like in France, England etc.. We all know that.. Come to Turkey and see how we treat minorites here you ignorant assholes..

ps: Sorry If this post is a little bit aggresive. My team lost a important match :(

[Slat]

At 4/26/07 03:47 PM, HighlyIllogical wrote: For one, it's barely on the European continent...it's not culturally european, nor ethnically, either. I see no reason to let a country that abuses human rights and is backwards (less so than it's Arab neighbors, though) into the EU.

At least we dont murder innocent women and children like the country you support in your sig. And you know what? That country supported pkk (a terrorist organisation active in Turkey) for years and they bitch about terrorism.. Hypocrisy..

[MortifiedPenguins]

At 4/26/07 03:47 PM, HighlyIllogical wrote: For one, it's barely on the European continent...it's not culturally european, nor ethnically, either. I see no reason to let a country that abuses human rights and is backwards (less so than it's Arab neighbors, though) into the EU.

Actually, it's not your place to suggest what Europe decides.

Your imposing your morals onto them. You can't do that.

Anyways,Turkey has for the last 50 years been unusally helpfull to the US as a whole and it's actions in the Cold War and it has been helpfull to the Europeans.

I for one wouldn't mind Turkey joining the EU, but thats just me.